Nikon news and Canon 5D news.

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Just a heads up from what I was told face to face last week by both Nikon and Canon.

Firstly, as of last week, the Nikon D40 and D40X are effectively discontinued. Nikon UK will not be supplying anymore stock - orders from Nikon Europe, put in place by Nikon Japan. Business's will be asked to run down stock and I was also told that the cash back has been extended to expedite the clearance of stock. It's still a good camera.

There is no news on a replacement however.

Moving onto the Canon 5D - discussed with Canon at the launch of the 450D in London on Thrusday. Canon advised all that there is NO replacement for the 5D due. Citing the 5D as a unique product on the market, Canon advised that it was still selling well and would need no repositioning or replacement.

So there you have some interesting news. Personally, I think that the Canon news is a smoke screen but as ever it is going to take a lot of effort for all Canon employees to stay quiet. Yes the 5D is sublime, but it is crying out for a Digic 3 make over now. So, my post from a few weeks back looks good. As before, the D300 moved the goal posts which has made Canon rethink its market - hence the 5D news.

I cant answer any questions as you now know as much as me.

Pete.
 
Reaffirms my thoughts that a 5D, with battery grip, makes a great door-stop

I also find them great for stopping older cars running down a hill when you jam them under the leading tyre - try it you Canon peeps, you may find a use for your cameras after all

HTH

DD
 
The 5D is a unique product, it's a great camera and is odviously still selling.

But think of how many more they would sell if they made a MKII version. It does need an upgrade, and Canon know it.

It needs all those features that the models below (40D and in some cases 450D) are rich with.

Personally I can't see why they woulden't bring out a new version this year.

It also needs an upgrade to keep up with competitors.
 
Um, what? I'm with 8utters. A 5d mkII will only bring in more sales. ISO6400, 5fps, digic3 etc. It'll be great. Has to be a smoke screen. Its 2 years old. Everything else has had pointless upgrades.
 
Yeah lol, why would they not upgrade the 5D which desperately needs it and instead go ahead and upgrade the 400D which was fine the way it was?

Rembmer when Apple said that they had NO plans to make an iPod with video capabilites? Steve Jobs even said it himself lol.
 
Interesting news, seems a bit strange they wont be making a replacement for the D40 :thinking:.
 
As far as nikon are concerned, I would think we will see a D80x which will essentially be a dumbed down D300.
 
I can understand Nikon's move after seeing the spec on the Canon 450D but I can't see why there is no upgrade to the 5D, unless they are going to release a replacement to the 1DmIII soon.
 
Why would they released a replacement for the 1D MkIII? It's only been out 6 like months....
 
Isnt the D40(x) the only amature DSLR that nikon make at the moment though? All the previous models D50 etc are alread discontinued, unless the D80 is to replace the D40? Ah well, if they can make some more money, they will!
 
No, the D80 replaced the D70S didn't it?

I should imagine that the D40 is being cleared to replace it with something maybe a bit better - a replacement for the D50, perhaps?
 
Hmm, D40 and D40x both now discontinued with no replacement identified.

I have to say that I am suprised; the D40 retails at a sub £300 price mark and is the cheapest way (buying new) in to either Canon or Nikon systems (I think this is actually the cheapest DSLR on the market at the moment just beating the Olympus 410 [£330ish] but not 100% sure). Although I am more suprised about the D40x as this is less than a year old (March 2007 IIRC).

Surely this means that Nikon are about to lead in the spring / summer in style with 2 new amatuer models rather than just the expected D80 replacement / upgrade. If they are I do hope that they have the manufacturing capability to keep up with demand otherwise it could well be a rather uncomfortable shot in the foot, especially after the 18-200mm VR fiasco.

As for Canon - who knows whether this is a Steve Jobs Video iPod scenario or whether this is just arrogance fueled from the fact that there is no other Full Frame semipro available yet. I can see a business case to keep developments (faster frame rates, higher ISOs, image processing etc) going in secret and wait to see what the competition (Nikon) do and then better it shortly afterwards (hopefully) without too much effort. OK you might **** off a few customers but at the moment there is no where else to go and would they really jump ship immediately a competitor launches (which is likely to be in very late 2008 or more likely 2009 for Nikon). Especially with the investment most 5D users will have in lenses, remembering that Quality Nikon FF lenses are all £1000+ with no semipro Quality range.

Interesting 2 months to come I think!!
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Sigma recently announce they were going to make autofocus lenses for the D40. Surely they would have had discussions with Nikon before committing to this?
 
PsiFox said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Sigma recently announce they were going to make autofocus lenses for the D40. Surely they would have had discussions with Nikon before committing to this?
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Sigma AF lenses that work on the D40 will also work on all the other Nikon AF DSLRs. It was news because the D40 and D40x don't have an AF motor in the body to drive the older non HSM lenses (AFS in Nikon speak)
 
That's interesting as I have had four D40X's on order for my company for over 2 months now from a UK supplier who appeared to be having trouble getting hold of them. When I asked what the issue was they said it was a supply/demand problem. Guess they were not fibbing if they are stopping production. Shame the budget wouldn't stretch to the D300!
 
Yes. The trouble with me posting things like this is that people then spin what they think should happen or what has not happened. This is fact. Face to face discussion.

I can confirm that I spoke to Alex at Nikon today regarding this and was told that neither camera has sold as targeted in Europe or as expected by Japan. Hence the ceasation of sales.

I dont make this up. It looks likely that a D60 will be released however.


Simon TALM - regarding the 18-200 VR fiasco. Are you aware that it was a product recall due to misuse of lead within the lens. They were unavailable - not the 'mega sales' they told everyone about.

With reference to the 5D - well thats what Canon said. I cannot be arsed to dispute it.
 
Diego, I appreciate your sharing these comments, do you have any idea if canon intend also to re badge the 1Ds mk 3 or is it just the 1D mk 3? Cheers,
George
 
It may be that while the 5D still sells they will hold back. Were they perhaps telling you the truth in that there was no plan to release an upgrade now. But that's not to say they don't have one in progress that can be held ready and evolved until the right time? I dunno - I just hope they wait a while since I just bought the 5D and I don't want to loose money on it just yet :-)
 
George said:
Diego, I appreciate your sharing these comments, do you have any idea if canon intend also to re badge the 1Ds mk 3 or is it just the 1D mk 3? Cheers,
George
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Well, as stated before, the likely hood will be a mark 4, to move away from the ghost of Mark III. This was not up for discussion however. Note that all decisions are made in the East. When they say jump, the West says how high?
 
I think it's about time for Nikon to update its lowend, i. e. introduce successors to the D40(x) and the D80.

Thing is, Pentax, Sony and Olympus now have a system that's not quite as full of lenses and accessories as Nikon or Canon systems, nor do they have such support from 3rd party manufacturers, but the bodies that are in the price range where Canon 400D / 450D and Nikon D40x and D80 are are crammed with some really neat features found only if you double or triple the price for the D40x / 400D.
The 450D makes it a little better, but the extra buttons I could use. K20D looks great just like the K10D still does.

So my bet would be that Nikon'll introduce someting cheaper than the D40x replacing both the D40 and D40x and something to replace the D80 to have a piece that is a little better than the 450D, not quite as full featured as the 40D and price wise a bit above 450D.
 
Pete,

Had a bad day? I hope the reflective / intersted "Hmm" at the start of my post didn't rub you up the wrong way, reading it again it could appear as if I was doubting you - I wasn't. The information you are sharing is interesting news and very much appreciated by all.

I think it's part of the fun when such well sourced rumours get made is speculating on what might be. After all you say yourself that you think the Canon info is a "smoke screen".

Diego Garcia said:
regarding the 18-200 VR fiasco. Are you aware that it was a product recall due to misuse of lead within the lens. They were unavailable - not the 'mega sales' they told everyone about.
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I wasn't aware of this, do you happen to know whether this was this down to the European RoHS legislation or a specific glass quality related thing? However any supply problems with Nikon wether they be caused by a failure to identify potential demand or through a breakdown in quality should be avoided in future, espcially with camera bodies.
 
My girlfriend and I are contemplating both getting new camera's, we are going to Hong Kong mid March and so far decided either EOS5D & EF lenses or EOS40D using both EF-S & EF lenses.

I have an EOS400D at present with the Sigma 10/20 wide angle and the kit lens and my girlfriend has a EOS350D with a Tameron 28-200mm and kit lens.

The main indecision is that we are going to get some very good 'L' lenses and if we buy EF-S lenses we will not be able to take them with us when we do move up to the EOS5D (the lure of the full sensor) and then EOS1*'s (our game plan)

So any idea's
 
MKD, if you have any thoughts that you may go full frame in the future (near or far) remembering that s/h f/frame bodies are getting cheaper all the time, IMO don't get a-S lens. You cannot use it on a f/f body.
 
DiddyDave said:
Reaffirms my thoughts that a 5D, with battery grip, makes a great door-stop

I also find them great for stopping older cars running down a hill when you jam them under the leading tyre - try it you Canon peeps, you may find a use for your cameras after all

HTH

DD
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But, for those that haven't tried the Goldie Lookin' Chain method of Diddy Dave appreciation, cheers Pete - interesting info :thumbs:
 
Re 5D

As soon as you announce a replacement model sales of the existing item drop. So if you've a model that's not going to be announced officially for several months you keep quiet.

Also the model is not in that highly competitive price bracket that the 400 is in. Hence more models more often from Nikon and Canon.

Also just because a new camera comes doesn't stop the existing one doing a good job. My Canon film camera still works fine, as does my "aging" 300D and 20D. Used both recently as back up to my 5D.
 
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