Nikon D3s and CS3, not a happy bunny!

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I've just found out you can't open NEF RAW files from a D3s with any version of Photoshop other than CS4 :bang:

The plugin required (5.6) to read the RAW file, is not compatible with earlier versions. How dumb is that :thumbsdown:
 
It's frustrating I'm sure, but it's not hard to see why they do it.
 
I think all software manufacturers reach a point where they stop supporting old versions of the product and focus on current versions. Adobe will be no different.

Why not get yourself CS4?
 
Try converting your D3s files to DNG with Adobe's DNG converter. CS3 should then work

(I've not tried it, but it should work in theory)
 
treeman,

this is one of those things you just have to live with. The software world is a viscous circle that bites everyone in the ass now and then.

There are ways around this. You can convert your .NEF's to DNG's using the Adobe DNG converter. You will have to be careful and check which version of the DNG format is compatible with CS3 (assuming that's the version). Embed the original RAW file as DNG's are not always accepted in competitions.

Alternatively, Adobe are allowing everyone to download a copy of its Lightroom 3 Beta. It will be usable until April where after you will need to purchase a copy.

That's as much as I can really offer for advice,...
 
I felt the same way when I got the D300s, but there is also Nikon software available.

At one point, Photoshop could read the RAW files using Nikon's importer back when I had my D100 before Photoshop supported NEF natively. I'm not sure if Nikon still provide such a feature.
 
Ok, it looks like Lightroom will open the NEF files, which is a bit of a pain, as I've now got to take a crash course in LR on how to get the image into CS3 so I can do some processing :bang:

(Walks away, buries head in fat Lightroom book, sobbing quietly:'()

I hate Adobe, no I hate Nikon, no I hate Adobe more :bang:

I hate computers, bring back film!!!
 
treeman said:
Ok, it looks like Lightroom will open the NEF files, which is a bit of a pain, as I've now got to take a crash course in LR on how to get the image into CS3 so I can do some processing :bang:
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if you do that LR won't render them properly into CS3 without the correct version of Camera RAW. You'll get loads of warnings and it may or may not render OK

Puddleduck's suggestion of converting them to DNG is probably the best
 
treeman said:
Ok, it looks like Lightroom will open the NEF files, which is a bit of a pain, as I've now got to take a crash course in LR on how to get the image into CS3 so I can do some processing :bang:

(Walks away, buries head in fat Lightroom book, sobbing quietly:'()

I hate Adobe, no I hate Nikon, no I hate Adobe more :bang:

I hate computers, bring back film!!!
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Its funny you say that because I was talking to my wife about going 100% film again on the basis that I find it too difficult to compete / pay for the continuous upgrades of the digital world.

I picked up a D3 a while ago, which neigh on killed me by itself but it required so many other upgrades it became too much. I returned it and kept my D200 running.

Although its said that digital is cheap, it isn't always true. On the flip side, film, the outlay is somewhat similar being that you have to pay for film, developing chemicals and a one off for developing equipment but the amount of photographs you take are a lot less, and therefore, in theory, are of 'better' quality' as the user a lot more cautious when using it.

I loaded my Praktica MTL3 with some 1600 Neopan last night, looking forward to seeing the results.
 
boyfalldown said:
if you do that LR won't render them properly into CS3 without the correct version of Camera RAW. You'll get loads of warnings and it may or may not render OK

Puddleduck's suggestion of converting them to DNG is probably the best
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Yep, you were right! It doesn't want to play :bang:

I don't really want to go down the DNG route partly because it means something else to learn and also because I'm quite happy with my current workflow practice. Exposure/colour balance in ACR then over to PS for anything else, it's simple and I'm used to it.

It's just so damn annoying, couldn't Nikon make the NEF files the same as the D700 files? They work in CS3 :shrug:

Oh well, think I'm gonna have to get CS4, could do without the further expense though :(
 
treeman said:
Yep, you were right! It doesn't want to play :bang:

I don't really want to go down the DNG route partly because it means something else to learn and also because I'm quite happy with my current workflow practice. Exposure/colour balance in ACR then over to PS for anything else, it's simple and I'm used to it.

It's just so damn annoying, couldn't Nikon make the NEF files the same as the D700 files? They work in CS3 :shrug:

Oh well, think I'm gonna have to get CS4, could do without the further expense though :(
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:( - the big plus point for ADOBE RAW convertor is its free, and the conversion isn't difficult to learn - but it is another step though. Once converted you should be able to use them in ACR as before
 
boyfalldown said:
if you do that LR won't render them properly into CS3 without the correct version of Camera RAW. You'll get loads of warnings and it may or may not render OK

Puddleduck's suggestion of converting them to DNG is probably the best
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Are you sure about this?.....

Lr3 and cs2 work very well

wilky
 
LR3 works very well with RAW files, never tried CS4 with .NEF files.
 
Wilky said:
Are you sure about this?.....

Lr3 and cs2 work very well

wilky
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Hi Wilky,

I didn't know that would work in LR3, but I've not played with it yet so.......... I know when you select Photo->Edit In-> Edit in Abode Photoshop from LR2 it uses photoshop to re-render the file for display. I can only guess that LR3 does it differently, but it would only be a guess

Hugh
 
The worst part of this is that PS CS3 won't work with the latest Adobe Camera Raw (which supports D3s and D300s), but Adobe photoshop ELEMENTS 4 (and later) will :eek:

So cheapest way of getting the Adobe Raw support is to buy a copy of elements (at approx £65 agains the CS3-CS4 upgrade at £170 or so). It seems Adobe just want to squeeze the buyers of its top of the range software......
 
Beats me why you'd want to use CS3 over Lightroom, certainly for initial raw processing anyway. The latter was designed for photographers, the former for graphic designers.
 
Radiohead said:
Beats me why you'd want to use CS3 over Lightroom, certainly for initial raw processing anyway. The latter was designed for photographers, the former for graphic designers.
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Maybe because Photoshop is the software he's got?
 
Radiohead said:
Beats me why you'd want to use CS3 over Lightroom, certainly for initial raw processing anyway. The latter was designed for photographers, the former for graphic designers.
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Agreed. I use Lightroom and then, if necessary, export to CS3 as Tiffs.

SamHH said:
Maybe because Photoshop is the software he's got?
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Because he mentioned that the NEF files open in Lightroom which indicates he also has that.
 
SamHH said:
Maybe because Photoshop is the software he's got?
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Regardless, there's using what you have, and then using the best tool. And now the choice is CS4 or Lightroom. One costs £500 more and isn't aimed at Photographers.
 
Radiohead said:
Regardless, there's using what you have, and then using the best tool. And now the choice is CS4 or Lightroom. One costs £500 more and isn't aimed at Photographers.
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OK, but it'd be nice if the software you've got worked, especially if the only reason for it not to work is to line Adobe's pockets by forcing you to buy new software.
 
Par for the course I'm afraid - and with the investment they've made in Lightroom (which is a brilliant tool) I can live with it.
 
Ignore....just noticed the OP has a D3S
 
Why not use the NX software delivered with the camera? It is a superb editing suite. Not designed to put goats heads on elephants, but for processing photographs it is very fast, very easy and very accurate. I have given up PS for NX.
 
Lensflare said:
Why not use the NX software delivered with the camera? It is a superb editing suite. Not designed to put goats heads on elephants, but for processing photographs it is very fast, very easy and very accurate. I have given up PS for NX.
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What he says. Capture NX (imo) is the best tool for NIKON files.

G.
 
treeman said:
I've just found out you can't open NEF RAW files from a D3s with any version of Photoshop other than CS4 :bang:

The plugin required (5.6) to read the RAW file, is not compatible with earlier versions. How dumb is that :thumbsdown:
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I had the same problem. Had to download updates for LR and had to get CS4. Caught me out too.


Kev.
 
Pieface said:
LR3 works very well with RAW files, never tried CS4 with .NEF files.
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I've only got LR2

bigbigblue said:
The worst part of this is that PS CS3 won't work with the latest Adobe Camera Raw (which supports D3s and D300s), but Adobe photoshop ELEMENTS 4 (and later) will :eek:

So cheapest way of getting the Adobe Raw support is to buy a copy of elements (at approx £65 agains the CS3-CS4 upgrade at £170 or so). It seems Adobe just want to squeeze the buyers of its top of the range software......
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Exactly, it's a right royal pain in the a***

Radiohead said:
Beats me why you'd want to use CS3 over Lightroom, certainly for initial raw processing anyway. The latter was designed for photographers, the former for graphic designers.
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Because I'm such a brilliant Tog, I don't need to do much processing :lol:
Seriously though, I just tweak exposure and colour balance in ACR.


razor777 said:
CS4 works fine with the latest .NEF files - it was only reason I upgraded as I couldnt be bothered to convert to DNG and then open them in CS3.
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I'm with you on that. :thumbs:

Radiohead said:
Regardless, there's using what you have, and then using the best tool. And now the choice is CS4 or Lightroom. One costs £500 more and isn't aimed at Photographers.
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LR doesn't do layer masks, (or does it?) and thats mostly what I use. I do have LR2 but never bothered to learn it, my pre-D3s system worked perfectly for me.

SamHH said:
OK, but it'd be nice if the software you've got worked, especially if the only reason for it not to work is to line Adobe's pockets by forcing you to buy new software.
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Yes, my point entirely, spose I just forgot how evil Adobe/Nikon are :shrug:

fracster said:
Ignore....just noticed the OP has a D3S
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Pay more attention :nono: :)

Lensflare said:
Why not use the NX software delivered with the camera? It is a superb editing suite. Not designed to put goats heads on elephants, but for processing photographs it is very fast, very easy and very accurate. I have given up PS for NX.
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EdinburghGary said:
What he says. Capture NX (imo) is the best tool for NIKON files.

G.
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I would, but View NX does not work properly on Snow Leopard, well it sort of does but all the menus and other text has loads of coding attached to it, looks a flippin mess:thumbsdown: Still waiting for Nikon to get their fat lazy arses into gear and update it.

Anyway I've downloaded the trial of CS4 which will get me out of jail for this weeks jobs. Just need to trawl around and find the cheapest upgrade price.
 
What are you using layers for specifically?

Seriously - it's worth learning. Import, tag, sort, tag, apply presets, export. Done.

(LR3 is still in beta, 2.6 supports the D3s)
 
Radiohead said:
What are you using layers for specifically?

Seriously - it's worth learning. Import, tag, sort, tag, apply presets, export. Done.

(LR3 is still in beta, 2.6 supports the D3s)
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Mostly cloning out flies on horses, it's a real pain in the summer especially, and head collars. I also tend to use a bit false shallow DOF, when the lights too bright and I can't open up enough. Nothing fancy, I know, but none the less I need PS.

I know you're right about LR, enough people have said it, I need to learn it, just wish I'd discovered it before I invested so much time getting to grips with PS :bonk: I'm starting to get jobs now, where I'm shooting for several hours, which mean I come back with hundreds of images and it sounds like LR will make life loads easier.
 
There is spot cloning and healing in Lightroom. Might be worth spending an hour with. It's MUCH easier to learn than PS though.

The cataloging/rating/tagging etc makes life very easy.
 
It never touches the raw files - it's just applying XML sidecar data. You can apply 50 adjustments and you'll see each one in a list to the right and can remove any one or number that you like.
 
Have a watch of the videos at Photoshop User TV. They often delve into Lightroom.

Edit : oooh, just loaded it up myself, Joe McNally interview in the latest one :D
 
Adobe are like leeches - once they've got their hooks in to you it's difficult to get away. Given that the full version of Photoshop is so expensive, I find it difficult to believe that they can't make their Raw converter upgrades generic, so that they can be used with all earlier versions.

But of course, if they did that, people wouldn't feel the need to upgrade their software so often, as new camera bodies are released.

Bloodsuckers, I tell you, nothing but bloodsuckers.
 
Kaouthia said:
Have a watch of the videos at Photoshop User TV. They often delve into Lightroom.

Edit : oooh, just loaded it up myself, Joe McNally interview in the latest one :D
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SussexBlue said:
http://kelbytv.com/lightroomkillertips/category/episodes/ :)
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Thanks for those, should give me a kick in the right direction.


Scarecrow said:
Adobe are like leeches - once they've got their hooks in to you it's difficult to get away. Given that the full version of Photoshop is so expensive, I find it difficult to believe that they can't make their Raw converter upgrades generic, so that they can be used with all earlier versions.

But of course, if they did that, people wouldn't feel the need to upgrade their software so often, as new camera bodies are released.

Bloodsuckers, I tell you, nothing but bloodsuckers.
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Would it be impossible for Nikon to make new cameras that have the same NEF files as older version, that would get around it?
 
treeman said:
Thanks for those, should give me a kick in the right direction.




Would it be impossible for Nikon to make new cameras that have the same NEF files as older version, that would get around it?
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It's obviously a conspiracy agains us poor cash-strapped photographers - the camera manufacturers and Adobe are in on it together. Damn their money grabbing ways.
 
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