New BMW owners beware.

So presumably BMW screen wash is premixed and must not be diluted at all?
Anyone who can't unblock or replace the screen wash tubing deserves to be stung for £163 especially if they drive a BMW. :-)
My wife's car is a BMW.
Matt
 
The wife's car is a 1-series. About 6-7 years old now. She's always had the screenwash topped up by the BMW dealer.

About three years ago, I started doing the windscreeen wash top up for her. The BMW screenwash is a concentrate that needs diluting with distilled water as opposed to the tap water that I'd used. The entire reservoir gummed up.

I now use VW screenwash in her car as it can be diluted with tap water (and I use it in my Golf).
 
I also had a gummed up washer on a 3 series I owned a few years ago ,never happened on ANY other car in 50 years of driving though
 
I've always used the concentrate that has the option of no dilution in my cars and never had any bother. Best option for summer bugs and winter salt.

So presumably BMW screen wash is premixed and must not be diluted at all?
Anyone who can't unblock or replace the screen wash tubing deserves to be stung for £163 especially if they drive a BMW. :)
My wife's car is a BMW.
Matt
I'd say that's a little harsh. I've seen some massively convoluted hose routing in my time. Especially to the rear wiper.
 
I've always used the concentrate that has the option of no dilution in my cars and never had any bother. Best option for summer bugs and winter salt.


I'd say that's a little harsh. I've seen some massively convoluted hose routing in my time. Especially to the rear wiper.
tongue-in-cheek comment.
 
£163 to replace the bottle and strainers and flush the system. Seems cheap at BMW main dealer prices. £110 per hour, expensive BMW parts, seems he got off cheaply.
 
blimey I put anything in our 8 year old citroen and it seems hose it all out.
what it is with BMW and how much stuff costs?
 
Our local Mazda/Volvo dealer is the same cost of £110/hour labour, so it's not just the premium dealers
 
"Premium" product and hence "premium" price.

Is a BMW a premium product though?
I don't think they are so much, more mainstream now than ever before.
I don't know how people suck these things up to be honest.

I know its not comparable but I took my Citroen in last week to an independent in Huddersfield for an MOT and a basic service (inspection, oil and filters)

£126 all in, seemed reasonable bearing in mind no faults were found.
I will be popping it back in a few weeks as I forgot to ask for the coolant system flushing and refilling which he said about £40 all in.
 
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what it is with BMW and how much stuff costs?

So long as suckers keep buying it, they'll happily keep taking their money.
 
My BMW mot costs less than my Focus mot for a do-nothing test. I get a timed appointment, free coffee and the car gets washed at the BMW place (Stevenage - Specialist cars), at my Ford garage they want me to drive it over first thing, leave it with them (all day) and then try and get back to pick it up. If BMW is premium the I'm with that all the way.
Oh and just a side note the non-premium main dealer Ford garage failed to spot the rear pads were virtually shot during the mot and ruined my discs 3 weeks later when the backing material scored the discs, despite my mentioning the squeaking noise I could hear from the rear of the car and suggesting it might be brake pads when I took it in.
 
Have around 10 years combined BMW usage- 6 cars and always used stuff form Halfords or supermarket- never had an issue
 
Oh and just a side note the non-premium main dealer Ford garage failed to spot the rear pads were virtually shot during the mot and ruined my discs 3 weeks later when the backing material scored the discs, despite my mentioning the squeaking noise I could hear from the rear of the car and suggesting it might be brake pads when I took it in.


To be fair to the MoT testers, unless the car was booked in for a service at the same time, all they would do is make sure that the brakes performed to a standard on the day rather than do a proper brake check.
 
To be fair to the MoT testers, unless the car was booked in for a service at the same time, all they would do is make sure that the brakes performed to a standard on the day rather than do a proper brake check.

Agreed, I am confused @MatBin was the car in for service or MOT?

If MOT then yes it simply a test of brake effectiveness on the day
 
My BMW mot costs less than my Focus mot for a do-nothing test. I get a timed appointment, free coffee and the car gets washed at the BMW place (Stevenage - Specialist cars), at my Ford garage they want me to drive it over first thing, leave it with them (all day) and then try and get back to pick it up. If BMW is premium the I'm with that all the way.
Oh and just a side note the non-premium main dealer Ford garage failed to spot the rear pads were virtually shot during the mot and ruined my discs 3 weeks later when the backing material scored the discs, despite my mentioning the squeaking noise I could hear from the rear of the car and suggesting it might be brake pads when I took it in.
If you'r BMW dealer charges less for an MOT than the Ford dealer, why don't you take the Focus to the BMW dealer for its MOT?
 
Agreed, I am confused @MatBin was the car in for service or MOT?

If MOT then yes it simply a test of brake effectiveness on the day
Actually they are supposed to check pad thickness and efficiency. I checked the dept of transport manual.
Matt
 
If you'r BMW dealer charges less for an MOT than the Ford dealer, why don't you take the Focus to the BMW dealer for its MOT?
Mistakenly I thought it best to get the specific main dealer to do the mot.
 
Actually they are supposed to check pad thickness and efficiency. I checked the dept of transport manual.
Matt
Both pads aren't always visible and as nothing is allowed to be removed during an MOT, that can be a difficult thing to do.
 
Both pads aren't always visible and as nothing is allowed to be removed during an MOT, that can be a difficult thing to do.

yeah I agree with this especially at the back of the car.
Also without a derail pads can last up to 40k miles so if you have had the car in for a recent service they should have reported the pads low.
when I take my citroen in the garage I use have the attitude they must be reasonably confident the pads should MAKE IT TO THE NEXT SERVICE OR ONE YEAR if not they will recommend replacement.
 
Both pads aren't always visible and as nothing is allowed to be removed during an MOT, that can be a difficult thing to do.


On the topic of brake pads I'm currently in a long winded dispute with my main dealer, so;

I purchased the car in March 2017. It was used from a private dealer with full service history and MOT (MOT done the month prior). It was due its service, so I booked it in at my local main dealer, as I also wanted to get the cambelt changed.

I got a call telling me that the brake discs needed replacing and the pads as well - I was a bit annoyed at more cost but went ahead!

A few months later I was sorting out paperwork.. AND it transpired that the previous owner - on the MOT - which was done a month prior to my purchase, had had the pads replaced - literally a month before I took it in for a service!

I was furious because.. one month between changes is not on - and I smelt a rat! In all, the cost for the pads and disc came to about £280.

After ongoing phone calls.. the manger offered to replace the brake pads (Incidentally the cheapest part, coming to around £50 and that was it.

I'm not involved with the national conciliation service to dispute this. It't not on is it!

I could just put a claim in with the credit card but.. I feel that would not solve the issue!

Any thoughts on the matter? Sorry to hijack the thread.. it is related! :P
 
Both pads aren't always visible and as nothing is allowed to be removed during an MOT, that can be a difficult thing to do.
That's no excuse. They had reported for the previous 2 years pads at 80% and 70% remaining, then in one year doing a lot less miles the pads had got down to 30% (apparently) then 2 weeks later 0%, in reality they probably never checked them and just guessed, which is fair enough with a newish car I suppose, but when I had mentioned they were making a noise at the MOT they should have checked, taken the wheels off if necessary ( I would have paid for that vital safety check if they had called me if in any doubt). My beef wasnt about the cost or the fact they had supposedly worn so quickly (from 70 to 30 in one year) but that they had just ignored my suggestion, they even had the cheek to say it was because I had winter tyres fitted!
 
@MatBin So again to play devils advocate why didn't you have them replaced when it said 30% I appreciate what you are saying but the garage isn't driving the car.
The garage isn't taking your kids, granny or dog to the school, vet etc you are.

It sounds more to me that you are just being a bit tight and blaming the garage, you should have had them swapped at 30%

30 % left on a brake pad even if it was a guess is not a lot and was that check performed at a service? If so how long was it going to be before your next service?
As said before when you take a car for service you need to be asking, will the consumables last till the next one which can be 18,000 miles on some cars.

If the answer is not a firm YES then they need replacing.
 
On the topic of brake pads I'm currently in a long winded dispute with my main dealer, so;

I purchased the car in March 2017. It was used from a private dealer with full service history and MOT (MOT done the month prior). It was due its service, so I booked it in at my local main dealer, as I also wanted to get the cambelt changed.

I got a call telling me that the brake discs needed replacing and the pads as well - I was a bit annoyed at more cost but went ahead!

A few months later I was sorting out paperwork.. AND it transpired that the previous owner - on the MOT - which was done a month prior to my purchase, had had the pads replaced - literally a month before I took it in for a service!

I was furious because.. one month between changes is not on - and I smelt a rat! In all, the cost for the pads and disc came to about £280.

After ongoing phone calls.. the manger offered to replace the brake pads (Incidentally the cheapest part, coming to around £50 and that was it.

I'm not involved with the national conciliation service to dispute this. It't not on is it!

I could just put a claim in with the credit card but.. I feel that would not solve the issue!

Any thoughts on the matter? Sorry to hijack the thread.. it is related! :p
What may have happened is the previous owner was advised pads and discs needed replacing, in particular the pads and they would last longer than the discs which were coming up to the end of their life/service limit (i.e. getting a bit thin etc) but the previous owner decided to only replace the pads. Then when you took it in the dealer advised the discs were shot and you always replace pads when you replace discs, so your dealer was doing the correct thing, I might ask if the vehicle was fit for purpose or had faults which they should have corrected before you got the car as you are not a mechanic and couldnt be reasonably expected to know about. My gripe would be with the selling dealer not the servicing dealer.
I am not a big fan of garages but I think they do try and be fair (in general) as your main dealer was being (in my view).
I'd take it up with the selling dealer and whatever trade body etc looks into these things.

Matt
 
@MatBin So again to play devils advocate why didn't you have them replaced when it said 30% I appreciate what you are saying but the garage isn't driving the car.
The garage isn't taking your kids, granny or dog to the school, vet etc you are.

It sounds more to me that you are just being a bit tight and blaming the garage, you should have had them swapped at 30%

30 % left on a brake pad even if it was a guess is not a lot and was that check performed at a service? If so how long was it going to be before your next service?
As said before when you take a car for service you need to be asking, will the consumables last till the next one which can be 18,000 miles on some cars.

If the answer is not a firm YES then they need replacing.
I understand your point and I would say that if there was 30% left in a bottle of scotch I wouldnt throw it away and get a new one :-)
Or maybe if my shutter had used 70% of its expected life I wouldnt replace the camera, particularly if i knew I wasnt going to be using it a lot in the coming year.
In the case of the brake pads, I asked the dealer to inspect the cause of noise, which was clearly the early signs of metallic contact (in my view and subsequently borne out by events), this they failed to do, they guessed the amount left on my pads. In the year that was to follow I knew I wouldnt be using the car much, so 30% was more than adequate for the mileage I was going to do, unless the rate of wear increases exponentially once past 50%.
As I said I was more than happy to pay the cost of the new pads/discs if required, just that I was not advised the pads were so low that they would wreck my discs 2 weeks later because in reality they had not been inspected. The dealer offered to replace the pads free of charge and the discs at cost i.e. no labour charge, they knew they had dropped a bo!!ock but I had lost faith in their ability to maintain my car in a safe condition.
 
On the topic of brake pads I'm currently in a long winded dispute with my main dealer, so;

I purchased the car in March 2017. It was used from a private dealer with full service history and MOT (MOT done the month prior). It was due its service, so I booked it in at my local main dealer, as I also wanted to get the cambelt changed.

I got a call telling me that the brake discs needed replacing and the pads as well - I was a bit annoyed at more cost but went ahead!

A few months later I was sorting out paperwork.. AND it transpired that the previous owner - on the MOT - which was done a month prior to my purchase, had had the pads replaced - literally a month before I took it in for a service!

I was furious because.. one month between changes is not on - and I smelt a rat! In all, the cost for the pads and disc came to about £280.

After ongoing phone calls.. the manger offered to replace the brake pads (Incidentally the cheapest part, coming to around £50 and that was it.

I'm not involved with the national conciliation service to dispute this. It't not on is it!

I could just put a claim in with the credit card but.. I feel that would not solve the issue!

Any thoughts on the matter? Sorry to hijack the thread.. it is related! :p


Changing pads is (relatively) simple and cheap. When discs are changed, pads should also be changed, even if very fresh so if the discs had gone past the service limit during your ownership (very possible these days), you would have needed new pads as well as the discs.
 
Is a BMW a premium product though?
I put the word premium in quotes rather than italics to emphasise the brand's appearance of being premium rather than truly being premium. Certainly in the past, BMW and Mercedes were considered higher-end and bought by more affluent people. In this day and age, I don't see BMW as premium but I guess they're still trading on that image.
 
I put the word premium in quotes rather than italics to emphasise the brand's appearance of being premium rather than truly being premium. Certainly in the past, BMW and Mercedes were considered higher-end and bought by more affluent people. In this day and age, I don't see BMW as premium but I guess they're still trading on that image.

I think you are right and to be honest when I travel in one you do feel very comfortable, I think premium on a car nowadays seem to be pretty much all about the interior and creature comforts.
Most modern cars still do similar mpg and are as reliable as each other but as you say some people need all leather, 17 speakers, 4 climate control zones and that will cost you.
 
@MatBin So again to play devils advocate why didn't you have them replaced when it said 30% I appreciate what you are saying but the garage isn't driving the car.
The garage isn't taking your kids, granny or dog to the school, vet etc you are.

It sounds more to me that you are just being a bit tight and blaming the garage, you should have had them swapped at 30%

30 % left on a brake pad even if it was a guess is not a lot and was that check performed at a service? If so how long was it going to be before your next service?
As said before when you take a car for service you need to be asking, will the consumables last till the next one which can be 18,000 miles on some cars.

If the answer is not a firm YES then they need replacing.

30% on my pads means at least 20,000 miles, so I think you need to taylor your advice and heart throb comments a wee bit!
 
30% on my pads means at least 20,000 miles, so I think you need to taylor your advice and heart throb comments a wee bit!
Couldn't care less about your brake pads or to your disinterest in my well meant advice. However being stuck somewhere with f***ed brakes isn't much use to man or fish.
 
I think you are right and to be honest when I travel in one you do feel very comfortable, I think premium on a car nowadays seem to be pretty much all about the interior and creature comforts.
Most modern cars still do similar mpg and are as reliable as each other but as you say some people need all leather, 17 speakers, 4 climate control zones and that will cost you.

Just for a bit of clarity on the 'premium' situation, I recently changed my Nissan for a BMW with a dealer 250 miles from my house (it was a good deal). I can say that I was a lot more relaxed and not half as tired after the 250 mile journey home than the journey to the dealer the previous day. Nice comfy seats that hold you in place (lots of adjustments available), smooth drive and no rattling noises make a hell of a difference. And I liked the Nissan too but the BMW is a different quality altogether.
 
What may have happened is the previous owner was advised pads and discs needed replacing, in particular the pads and they would last longer than the discs which were coming up to the end of their life/service limit (i.e. getting a bit thin etc) but the previous owner decided to only replace the pads. Then when you took it in the dealer advised the discs were shot and you always replace pads when you replace discs, so your dealer was doing the correct thing, I might ask if the vehicle was fit for purpose or had faults which they should have corrected before you got the car as you are not a mechanic and couldnt be reasonably expected to know about. My gripe would be with the selling dealer not the servicing dealer.
I am not a big fan of garages but I think they do try and be fair (in general) as your main dealer was being (in my view).
I'd take it up with the selling dealer and whatever trade body etc looks into these things.

Matt

Thats a fair point, but I did actually speak to the garage over the phone, and they actually stated that the discs and pads were completely fine and (the pads were replaced then).. Maybe I’m making an issue out of nothing, so I may well drop it. It never the less left a nasty taste so to speak.
 
Changing pads is (relatively) simple and cheap. When discs are changed, pads should also be changed, even if very fresh so if the discs had gone past the service limit during your ownership (very possible these days), you would have needed new pads as well as the discs.

Yes I knew about the pads always being replaced (or at least highly recommended) if discs are replaced; My point was that a month prior.. the discs were absolutely fine and didn’t need replacing according to the other dealer that did the MOT..
 
then in one year doing a lot less miles


Missed this bit. Infrequent use will cause faster pad wear since modern discs rust faster than older ones (all part of the reduction in asbestos in pads needing softer discs) then the pads needing to remove the rust with the first application of the brakes. This quickly grinds the pad material down causing the accelerated wear. The discs also wear faster - as well as rusting away!
 
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