New Blue Passport Covers to be made in France

Ricardodaforce said:
I dunno why we don’t have an identity card like the civilised world.
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Papieren bitte?

Basic answer is we don't need one. Travelling abroad, passport, proof of address council tax bill, bank statement, etc, driving a car, driving licence. No requirement to even tell the police your name unless arrested or stopped while driving. It's a solution looking for a problem.

The Magna carta is not relevant to ID cards. Only three provisions remain in force, the most important of which concerns justice ( no punishment without trial and the right to a fair trial, a right which we also get again in the ECHR )
 
joxby said:
Said on the news the taxpayer would save 120 mil having the French make the things

So....that's the next question, how is that possible.

I mean, I'm all for saving a bit of cash but is this the French with some obscure economic advantage or British tenders taking the p155
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Let’s say it’s a 10 year contract, in that time there might be 40 million passports issued, that’s a saving of £3 per passport, hardly a newsworthy ‘waste’.

Meanwhile almost a billion has been underpaid to severely ill benefit claimants due to an administrative error the government have known about for 4 years and failed to address.
 
They could take the manufacture of the passports back in house like the french do

The MD of Del A Rue made a fair point , a British passport is one of the most sought after in the world so the security on it has been tried, tested and costed, when he heard how much they'd been undercut by he couldn't believe they could make a passport as secure for that amount of money.

I expect it to go like most government contracts , they take the cheap option but 5 years down the line it costs 3X as much

I'm hoping Made In France will be a sticker not embossed in gold under British Passport :D
 
As long as it's not Fabriqué en France!
 
I don't mind it being made in France, this country has f***ed itself over for years by buying EU everything for years.

how many here have cars made in Germany or japan.
TVs from Korea.
Wine from SA or Chilli.

its a joke, we don't make anything worth buying apart from overpriced s***e from Jag and Land Rover.
 
Mr Bump said:
its a joke, we don't make anything worth buying apart from overpriced s***e from Jag and Land Rover.
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Yep it's awful, if only companies like Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Mini, Vauxhall, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, Ariel or Caterham would consider building cars in the UK...

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Sorry if I missed it anywhere.

Gemalto are a French lead consortium who have two manufacturing plants here in the UK, one of which is in Fareham.

Now, I surmise that they for security reasons do not disclose exactly what is made and processed in each or indeed any plant........so who is to say that they will not make the UK passport in the UK???
 
Phil V said:
Let’s say it’s a 10 year contract, in that time there might be 40 million passports issued, that’s a saving of £3 per passport, hardly a newsworthy ‘waste’.

Meanwhile almost a billion has been underpaid to severely ill benefit claimants due to an administrative error the government have known about for 4 years and failed to address.
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Not sure I follow your argument here, Phil. Are you suggesting the government *should* pay £120m more for the passport contract?
 
StewartR said:
Not sure I follow your argument here, Phil. Are you suggesting the government *should* pay £120m more for the passport contract?
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No.
Just that 120mil in a contract of this size isn’t a great deal of money. Following the outrage that a British company was that much more expensive.
 
Phil V said:
No.
Just that 120mil in a contract of this size isn’t a great deal of money.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. £120m here and £120m there, sooner or later it starts to add up to real money.
 
But whose aunty will have private parts waved at her?
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Each to their own. You obviously didn’t get the reference which says more about you than the image.
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I bet he wasn't expecting the Portuguese enquiry...
 
Nice to see media planting another barely relevant and slightly outrageous story and then blow it out of proportion so you don't see and don't talk about the really important ones...

Oh yes, lots of things are printed not in the UK these days. I bet we print some for these "evil" Europeans too.

How about the total lack of clarity on Brexit direction for all the business and people on both sides? We just want to know what is happening either way, not this BS and blown out stories for another 2 years while market uncertainty is raising prices and killing business.
 
Mr Bump said:
I don't mind it being made in France, this country has f***ed itself over for years by buying EU everything for years.

how many here have cars made in Germany or japan.
TVs from Korea.
Wine from SA or Chilli.

its a joke, we don't make anything worth buying apart from overpriced s***e from Jag and Land Rover.
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I don’t know which part of this rant is the silliest!
We start with buying EU everything for years, before going on to name 4 countries not in the EU one of which is mis spelt and only one an EU country :p

Naming a load of products we’ve never produced in great numbers, I’m a big fan of Chilean wine, and I’ll bet I drink more English wine than most, but the number of bottles we produce is tiny though it’s a growth industry. Even when I was a kid all the telly’s came from abroad.

Then we ignore all the volume car producers building cars here and exporting them, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, and of course GM.

Brilliant!
 
Phil V said:
I don’t know which part of this rant is the silliest!
We start with buying EU everything for years, before going on to name 4 countries not in the EU one of which is mis spelt and only one an EU country :p

Naming a load of products we’ve never produced in great numbers, I’m a big fan of Chilean wine, and I’ll bet I drink more English wine than most, but the number of bottles we produce is tiny though it’s a growth industry. Even when I was a kid all the telly’s came from abroad.

Then we ignore all the volume car producers building cars here and exporting them, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, and of course GM.

Brilliant!
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A little market update: GM sold the operations to PSA not long ago. i.e. Vauxhall / Opel is now turning into a Peugeot from the inside. PSA also announced they will cut the number of UK jobs soon, in both retail and manufacturing...

The major downside with most of them, and including JLR is that they are all owned by foreign corporations so at best only a fraction of profits are being reinvested here. Only McLaren is a real UK company I believe. [There maybe some very small ones too.]
It gets even more interesting when you look into how cars are made. Most german cars are pretty much made by ZF, Bosch and Siemens, with a little bit of engine work and re-packaging effort from the retail brand names. There are also the likes of 3M and Bayer in Germany. It is an industrial powerhouse. The UK doesn't quite have as many such industrial giants. It was decided to make it all about financial sector and service economy which is still strong, but some other parts of the economy are fairly neglected. The banks these days tend to keep all the wealth and best interest rates to themselves further adding to the misery of small business and workers. And UK is a small country with fairly little natural resources, except oil.

The problems? Excessive regulations [they primarily kill small business], work ethics and union laws that are just not as effective as in Germany in whatever way. EU contributes negatively in some cases, but certainly not exclusively. Our own government is badly out of touch irrespective if tories or labour are in charge. I'm not convinced all will be good after leaving, but I'm neither happy with the way EU is progressing.

It may be a lot too late saying that the UK should have taken the lead role in the EU early on and now we would have a very different union and a very different outlook here. Sitting back and letting Germany develop into its current self and taking de-facto leadership role was not such a great idea. Now we all face the consequences.
 
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LongLensPhotography said:
A little market update: GM sold the operations to PSA not long ago. i.e. Vauxhall / Opel is now turning into a Peugeot from the inside. PSA also announced they will cut the number of UK jobs soon, in both retail and manufacturing...

The major downside with most of them, and including JLR is that they are all owned by foreign corporations so at best only a fraction of profits are being reinvested here. Only McLaren is a real UK company I believe. [There maybe some very small ones too.]
It gets even more interesting when you look into how cars are made. Most german cars are pretty much made by ZF, Bosch and Siemens, with a little bit of engine work and re-packaging effort from the retail brand names. There are also the likes of 3M and Bayer in Germany. It is an industrial powerhouse. The UK doesn't quite have as many such industrial giants. It was decided to make it all about financial sector and service economy which is still strong, but some other parts of the economy are fairly neglected. The banks these days tend to keep all the wealth and best interest rates to themselves further adding to the misery of small business and workers. And UK is a small country with fairly little natural resources, except oil.

The problems? Excessive regulations [they primarily kill small business], work ethics and union laws that are just not as effective as in Germany in whatever way. EU contributes negatively in some cases, but certainly not exclusively. Our own government is badly out of touch irrespective if tories or labour are in charge. I'm not convinced all will be good after leaving, but I'm neither happy with the way EU is progressing.

It may be a lot too late saying that the UK should have taken the lead role in the EU early on and now we would have a very different union and a very different outlook here. Sitting back and letting Germany develop into its current self and taking de-facto leadership role was not such a great idea. Now we all face the consequences.
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I know GM were bought by PSA I typed it up and deleted it as it wasn’t relevant.

The reason there’s no longer a British owned car industry is because we sold it off. The British disease is short termism, we don’t like risk, investment and a belief we should do ‘the right thing’ even if there’sa good chance of long term profit. In the 70’s Renault and BL were in exactly the same state, the only bits of BL that still exist are foreign owned just for the brand, whereas Renault got investment and thrived.

Our public services are provided by European local authorities or governments. We sold our country to the lowest bidder, nothing to do with the EU, and everything to do with the British ruling classes having no interest in society as a concept.

We chose to do that, we believed it was the right thing to do.
 
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