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Someone said on this forum just a couple of days ago "I have never once seen a Lencarta in professional use, or ever in a professionals studio"

Well, in an effort to help, here's a video showing Jonathan Ryan using ElitePro 600's, ElitePro 300's and the Lencarta Safari on a location fashion shoot.
I think it's fair to say that Jonathan doesn't need to cut corners and can afford whatever lighting equipment he wants. He chose to buy Lencarta

Can't seem to embed it, so here's the link to Jonathan's video
 
I’ll be doing a full review of the Safari soon

However, here’s the short version vs Brons:

cons: not as powerful. Bron is 2X as powerful and I can run 2 heads at full power giving 2 stops more than Safari
Brons are more controllable – 5 stop range in 0.1 stop steps – Safari is 4 stops stepless.

pros: a LOT lighter, a LOT more flashes (I’ve had over 300 from the pack and not exhausted it – Lencarta say over 1,000 – Bron is about 130 at same output)
Easier to fit modifiers – Bron uses a £60 friction fir adapter, Safari has S-type built in
A LOT cheaper (maybe 1/4 the price)
For most purposes I prefer the Safari. Not tried the Quadras but I expect that apart form the built in skyport I’d find the Safari superior.

Not a bad little recommendation either....You give him some good discount when he bought the kit then? :D
 
Not a bad little recommendation either....You give him some good discount when he bought the kit then? :D
No, he paid the normal price, like everyone else.
Mind you, he did get free delivery.
Hang on a minute, everyone gets free delivery:)
 
Yeah was just pulling your leg :lol:

so tempted to get the safari kit to try a bit more location work but I think I will wait until I have been up to the training day in Leeds on the 3rd July. Hopefully will get the see the kit and have a play first.
 
Yeah was just pulling your leg :lol:

so tempted to get the safari kit to try a bit more location work but I think I will wait until I have been up to the training day in Leeds on the 3rd July. Hopefully will get the see the kit and have a play first.


Remind me when you're here. Mind you, you'll need binoculars if you're going to see it from Leeds:lol:
 
"I have never once seen a Lencarta in professional use, or ever in a professionals studio"

Huh?

Why does that matter?

Surely people should buy what suits their purposes, and my immediate question would be

" have you been to them all yet?"

FWIW I'm a pro and I have them - I just don't have a full time studio

or do they mean pros that charge 20k per shoot?

in which case they probably have a full pro set up including ceiling mount rigs etc


Sometimes I despair about people buying things 'cos others have them


BTW I love my Lencarta gear and recommend it to everyone!!!
 
Remind me when you're here. Mind you, you'll need binoculars if you're going to see it from Leeds:lol:

Right ok its Bradford...so where the hell did I get leeds from then?!?!

Note to self: Make sure you put the right bloody address in your calendar so you don't turn up at the wrong place!!

Cheers Garry
 
Gary, will you have the safari kit with you on the 1st May training day to have a look at? Ring flash too??? :nuts:
 
Yes, and with any luck we should be able to use it too
 
ah I see, that sort of thread, accusations without substance

I'll leave you to your little lopsided view then and won#'t contribute further

No problem. I didn't accuse anybody without substance.

As I said, I'm sure Lencarta are very worthy lights and I would be more than happy with them if I was starting out now.

They just dont offer some features that I now regard as essential after using Elinchrom for some time. Use whatever you are happy with.
 
Two minor points to note... I've known Jonathan Ryan for about three years and spent more than a few hours on the phone with him. He's probably one of THE most talented wedding and portrait photographers I've had the pleasure to deal with and if he thinks the Lencarta stuff is good enough for him, then I'd be happy to accept that recommendation. As Garry said, Jonathan can afford to buy whatever the hell he likes... He's not short of a bob or two. :)

As for Garry; like many others, I had the pleasure of meeting him at Focus and was impressed with his attitude... No bull***t, no waffle, just straight talking and honest answers.

I don't use ANY studio gear (I prefer the strobist approach) so I don't have any reason to sing up either party other than from a personal perspective. ;)

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Garry, can you make that endorsement cheque payable to.... :D
 
Ah, so this is where all my traffic has been coming from..... :)

First of all thanks for the nice comments - especially Spiritflier. Though I'm a little concerned about how my wealth has been exaggerated - best not tell my accountant that bit.

I used Lencarta kit extensively for a 2 day location shoot for Madeline Isaac-James last week (couple of BTS shots here - http://madelineisaacjamesbridalnews.blogspot.com/2010/04/what-amazing-shoot.html). We got through a ridiculous amount of work in 2 days and to fit it all in, I was often shooting in full sun between 12 and 3pm. That's tough and I was running a Safari at full power to claw some contrast back. It worked pretty well though I tripped the overheat protection a couple of times (chats with Garry by phone suggest the pack may have a faulty thermal cutout - he's offered to replace).

For that job the choice really came down to Safari, Bowens Gemini or Profoto Acute. [I have a Bron Mobil but don't like the way the modifiers fit and wouldn't have trusted them on a rigorous shoot like this - plus they cost a LOT]. The main reasons for choosing the Safari were the light weight and battery life. I took 1,400 shots in 2 days and the majority were lit by Safari. I recharged overnight but the pack was still half full at the end of each day.

Some of the shooting was indoors and I had 2 X 600 and 2 X 300 Elitepros in the car. I used them once on the first setup. With a lot of people around it was simply faster and safer to set up a Safari than trail wires to a mono. 600 w/s and a recycle only slightly slower than the 'blad and the only thing I really traded off was the modeling light.

Maike my assistant on the shoot loved the Safari - she could easily sling the pack over her shoulder and spare both hands for the 50 inch octa box I made her carry......
 
'k - one of the pictures just got unembargoed....

http://peoplebyryan.com/photoblog/madeline-isaac-james-2011-collection-preview

That's a Safari with Lencarta's big beauty dish firing right down nose line/direction of eyes.

The beauty of the Safari is that we'd rigged another shot on the landing with a Chinese cabinet and stuff but it just wasn't working. Quick team talk and we scrapped it. I checked the Exif and within literally 5 mins we had repositioned to the floor below with all the kit and were shooting test shots for this one.

Whole shoot including setting up for Chinese cabinet, waiting for model and styling, shooting cabinet, discussing, abandoning, repositioning, rerigging and shooting about 30 frames on the mantelpiece took 21 minutes. 4m 30s of that were styling :) I could have spent that looking for a plug socket.
 
So one light and a beauty dish gets results like that hey.....wheres my credit card??? ha ha

Well if you wanted to see what you can get out of a safari kit then that picture is a bloody good way of showing it. Great shot!
 
Garry, you have them in your studio and your a professional so thats another one :D

There is a lot of snobbery in this industry and so when you are spending tens of thousands of pounds often of someone else's money the snobbery can kick in and you go for the 'household' names. I have only done a small amount of messing with different lights but the Lencarta stuff really does seem very good to me. I am definitely filling my studio with Lencarta kit (decent quality and repeatable light - colour and intensity)!!

I have 2 holes to dig, 3 post to concrete in and four fence panels to put up tomorrow. Once that is done it is on to the studio, all the stuff is there ready so hopefully by weekend I might have most of it built!! Will be buying kit at the end of May :) If I can get together just a little bit more then I will sell my current lights on here and get 3 new ones :)
 
Having just got back after a few days away on business, a very long drive and a 7 am - 11.25pm day, it really cheers me up to read these comments.

Good photography is probably around 95% people (photographer, models, MUA etc) and so equipment plays a fairly small part - but an important one, because lighting equipment that does what it says on the tin is a big help - and IMO it's even more important to beginners than to experienced shooters, because beginners NEED lighting that produces exactly the same colour and exactly the same flash energy every time they press the button. If the gear lets them down they don't have the experience to know what's gone wrong with the shot, it's that simple.
 
my home studio is lencarta kitted out.
Gary helped me sort a good purchase and spent nearly £800 so far with some more purchases coming soon!
Thumbs up for me!
 
I know I'm not a gear snob ..... but love things to look nice as well as perform and just wish the safari pack didn't have all that bright white bloody writing on it ... and maybe rubber edge protection ..... :)

The edge protection being a biggy as I'm outdoors with most of my wedding shots ....
 
Apologies for resurrecting an old thread but it didn't seem worth creating a new one....

I've been biting my lip for two months now with these pics on my hard drive and a heavy duty NDA on them. The designer just released them to the world.

http://www.madelineisaacjames.com/

Check out the splash screen and the starlet and the candlelit collections. All of those shot with Lencarta flash. From memory Esther is the only one using Elite Pros. The rest are using a single Safari (though a couple of just available).

2 days hard hard shooting and the Safari was fine.
 
Some excellent shots there, thanks for posting them
 
What is the t.1 time on the Lencarta Safaris?

The Alien Bee 400 t.1 time is 1/2000 (t.5 rated at 1/6000), so to see a t.5 of 1/2000 from the Lencarta seems lethargic. At a fairly average/approximate RC dropoff rate that'd approximate to 1/600s for the t.1 time (Roughly 3x)

If that's true, at 5 metres, with a 80mm lens on a 1.5x APS cam, you'd better hope your subject isn't moving any faster than 1mph... (Assuming spherical cows and a 13 micron acceptable circle of confusion)

Thoughts?
 
What is the t.1 time on the Lencarta Safaris?

The Alien Bee 400 t.1 time is 1/2000 (t.5 rated at 1/6000), so to see a t.5 of 1/2000 from the Lencarta seems lethargic. At a fairly average/approximate RC dropoff rate that'd approximate to 1/600s for the t.1 time (Roughly 3x)

If that's true, at 5 metres, with a 80mm lens on a 1.5x APS cam, you'd better hope your subject isn't moving any faster than 1mph... (Assuming spherical cows and a 13 micron acceptable circle of confusion)

Thoughts?

I think you're comparing apples with pears when you compare the AB400 with the Lencarta Safari.
The AB is mains powered, the Safari is battery powered.
The AB is an entry level light for home studio use, fitted with just one capacitor which is known for its NTSC flash output, the Safari is consistent enough for pro use.

Yes, the t.1 on the Safari is only around 1/600th sec but that's more than enough for wedding, fashion and most uses - if you need very short flash durations either manage without the power and get a hotshoe flash or manage with an empty back pocket and get a Profoto:)

And saying that " at 5 metres, with a 80mm lens on a 1.5x APS cam, you'd better hope your subject isn't moving any faster than 1mph..." isn't really either helpful or accurate IMO. The ability to freeze movement is affected by many factors, including magnification, shutter speed and direction of travel as well as COC. 1/600th sec is plenty fast enough for many situations and the Safari has been bought by many leading pros, including Jonathan Ryan and Marc Gouguenheim.

Like everything else, it's horses for courses and this particular horse suits people who want good build quality, light weight and good performance at an affordable price - there are better alternatives available but they cost a lot more.
 
1/600th is plenty good enough for 90% of people stuff, not good enough for hardcore bmx/skater/other sports

the best thing about lencarta safari kit is its portability, if thats not an issue look at the einstein with a vagabond pack, a step up in money but pitches the option of fast t.1 or good colour consistency. To get both is as Gary says big money
 
The t1 times are what unfortunately means the Safari is not for me. I need super quick durations, as I shoot action sports. Not happy going for the Alien Bees though as I do not agree with their pricing policy compared with USA prices.

I presume Garry 1/600 is at full power and it goes down from there? Any chance you can let me know t1 at all power settings, as if it increases i may still be able to use them
 
And saying that " at 5 metres, with a 80mm lens on a 1.5x APS cam, you'd better hope your subject isn't moving any faster than 1mph..." isn't really either helpful or accurate IMO. The ability to freeze movement is affected by many factors, including magnification, shutter speed and direction of travel as well as COC. 1/600th sec is plenty fast enough for many situations and the Safari has been bought by many leading pros, including Jonathan Ryan and Marc Gouguenheim.

It might not be helpful to some, but it is mathematically accurate.

As far as I am aware, freezing motion depends only on one thing, the amount of relative motion between the subject and the film plane during the course of the exposure. "The exposure" deriving either from a constant light source (Thus locking it to the shutter speed) or the duration of the flash pulse.

The crux is the relative word. That's where focal length etc come in, and that's where the calculation yielding 1mph comes in. I often shoot with just such a combination, 80mm lens at ~ 5m, so the output figure is very palpable for me. Perhaps someone who always shoot at 50mm would feel more comfortable with a different figure, but I work with what I know.

Can anyone supply the t.1 time? If not, I'll assume a standard RC decay of ~ 3x t.5 (~ 1/600)

I'm not bothered about brands. I like the look, the price and the portability of the Lencarta Safari kit, but without being able to "Try before I buy" for a suitable period to do such assessments for myself, all I can do is rely on technical specifications to build my expectation of performance.

Relying on the work of others is a little foolhardy when £2,000 is involved. The camera always lies :)
 
den i'm going to tell everyone in webdev you're a maths nerd :P
 
I like the look, the price and the portability of the Lencarta Safari kit, but without being able to "Try before I buy" for a suitable period to do such assessments for myself, all I can do is rely on technical specifications to build my expectation of performance.

Relying on the work of others is a little foolhardy when £2,000 is involved. The camera always lies :)

Den,

If you get up to Lancashire at all you could always arrange a meet up and try mine out, they arrived this morning :)

Not sure what the small black box with three metal prongs and a DC socket is for though...... possibly charging a battery outside of the main box?? Oh well if I can't suss it I can ask Garry :lol:
 
The shutter speed is relevant to flash too, and shouldn't be disregarded, because the Safari (and similar tools) is primarily designed for outdoor use, where the mix of ambient and flash is highly relevant and people typically use the fastest reliable synch speed to control the effect of the ambient light. Using a shutter speed of, say, 1/250th sec 'clips' the tail as the flash energy degrades.

I haven't checked your maths, you may be right although I doubt it.

Also, I haven't checked the t.1 time, but it's reasonable to assume that it will be in the region of t.5 x 3, e.g. somewhere between 1/600th and 1/700th. The reason that it's only been tested at t.5 is that t.5 is the industry standard. We need and use industry standard testing benchmarks simply because they are benchmarks, even though they are not always strictly relevant - as an example, my model of car has a tested 0 - 62 time of 7.9 seconds but my particular car has never acheived that figure because I don't want to wreck the gearbox, clutch and tyres by driving like a maniac:)

Flash duration is one of those technical specs that can be less helpful than it seems. Partly because figures quoted often can't actually be achieved, and partly because, for many of us, a degree of subject blur (say in the hair of a model) is a good thing not a bad thing because it makes the shot look real - this may not appear to be the case with say sports photography, but even then it's a balancing act - a shot of someone riding a bike needs to look generally sharp, but if the wheel spokes and even the pedals have no movement blur then it will look wrong.

Why can't quoted figures always be achieved? I've tested a lot of flash heads and I often find that both flash duration figures and colour temperature consistency can vary a lot from the figures quoted in the sales spec. If I was the cynical type I might wonder whether some of the sellers just re-print figures supplied by others, safe in the knowledge that most people don't have the means to test for themselves, which is downright dishonest.

Relying on the work of others is a little foolhardy when £2,000 is involved. The camera always lies
You may be right - I was just pointing out that there are gifted, successful people out there who don't need to shop around for the cheapest but who still chose Safari - and anyway, you can buy 2 Safari kits for £2,000:)

As I keep saying, a given flash isn't all things to all photographers and we need to make our individual decisions based on our individual needs. For a lot of people, the Safari is ideal, others can justify spending several times as much on a Profoto, or can manage with the limited power of a hotshoe flash.
 
Den,

If you get up to Lancashire at all you could always arrange a meet up and try mine out, they arrived this morning :)

Not sure what the small black box with three metal prongs and a DC socket is for though...... possibly charging a battery outside of the main box?? Oh well if I can't suss it I can ask Garry :lol:
I suppose you could always ask your wife - women usually seem to be happy to read the instructions:)
Yes, it's so that you can charge the battery outside the generator, for example if charging a spare battery while using the generator.
 
I suppose you could always ask your wife - women usually seem to be happy to read the instructions:)
Yes, it's so that you can charge the battery outside the generator, for example if charging a spare battery while using the generator.

I hadn't looked for instructions yet I just got back into bed :)

There is a ring flash shaped hole in the foam of this plastic case screaming "fill me"........
 
I hadn't looked for instructions yet I just got back into bed :)

There is a ring flash shaped hole in the foam of this plastic case screaming "fill me"........

You mean your Lencarta Safari has arrived, and instead of going outside to play with it you go back to bed> :thinking::cuckoo::cuckoo::wave:

I would atleast go and try a couple of self portraits LOL.. But then I do get excited with new toys...

look forward to seeing bwhat you do with it..
 
Why can't quoted figures always be achieved? I've tested a lot of flash heads and I often find that both flash duration figures and colour temperature consistency can vary a lot from the figures quoted in the sales spec.

The only thing I've ever bought that's met the quoted manufacturers specs is my OCZ Vertex2 SSD! Manufacturers really do seem to pull the specs out of some fairytale frictionless-pully universe, which is disheartening for the enquiring consumer.

I'm personally very interested in the Safari kit (Especially the ringlight pack), which is why I began to dig in the first place. Unfortunately with my finances, I am not in a position to be able to buy twice, so am often a lot more pedantic about details that some :)
 
I would seriously consider the Elinchrom Ranger Speed system. I know a mountain bike photographer that uses them, and swears by them.

Speeds here:
http://www.theflashcentre.com/elinchrom-ranger-rx-speed-as-kit-i419.html

Plus, you can control the output of the flash right from the hotshoe of the camera, rather than walk over to the gun, adjust, return, fire, chimp, walk, adjust, return, fire, chimp etc. V important if your gun is on the other side of the track, or is up high. I would not consider any gun at this price that did not have this ability, and there is no way to add it to the Lencarta, either now or in the future.Once yuo get used to remote power control, you wont go back. Buy a television without a remote?

Plus, the flash centre rents them out for a try before you buy, and I think you get your rental back if you buy them (but dont quote me).
 
Another option may be an einstein and vagabond, when they arrive, retaining the remote power control too.
 
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