Musk Visits Toyota

[JohnC6]

I happen to come across this clip and wonder how much of a threat to EVs Toyota's latest engine(s) will be. It was also a fascinating insight. It looks at the environmental damage mining the metals required for EV batteries, the exploitation of poor people in various countries doing that ..the disposal of the batteries ,the charging infrastructure etc. Not in depth but a quick overview, so not boring.

Musk visited Toyota just a few months ago. Why would they invite him ? He wouldn't say what the talks were about. No doubt an agreement in exchange for ???
I think Mercedes are going in this direction,too. It's quite interesting watching how Toyota was built up to what it is today so worth watching from the start. It's only 12 minutes long. The founder was Kiichiro Toyoda..with a 'd' ,then his son took over. It's also fascinating seeing the automated plants...the robots. My word, there are some very clever people about designing and building those.

I had a Prius and it was great. I really like the hybrid vehicle and think this is the way manufacturers should have gone for several reasons. My Prius was driven by the battery only up to 28mph so in a 30mph I'd have cars close behind unless I went to 30 and allowed the petrol to take over. I wish they'd designed it for petrol to cut in at,say 35mph or better still, 41mph but I expect there were design problems doing that. I'd have preferred the industry concentrated on reducing emissions to a minimum with 'clean engines' and keep developing ever-cleaner fuel which, according to this video, Toyota are doing.

The title ? Shoud have been 'decision'...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEC5S_fn7nU

 

[LCPete]

I happen to come across this clip and wonder how much of a threat to EVs Toyota's latest engine(s) will be. It was also a fascinating insight. It looks at the environmental damage mining the metals required for EV batteries, the exploitation of poor people in various countries doing that ..the disposal of the batteries ,the charging infrastructure etc. Not in depth but a quick overview, so not boring.

Musk visited Toyota just a few months ago. Why would they invite him ? He wouldn't say what the talks were about. No doubt an agreement in exchange for ???
I think Mercedes are going in this direction,too. It's quite interesting watching how Toyota was built up to what it is today so worth watching from the start. It's only 12 minutes long. The founder was Kiichiro Toyoda..with a 'd' ,then his son took over. It's also fascinating seeing the automated plants...the robots. My word, there are some very clever people about designing and building those.

I had a Prius and it was great. I really like the hybrid vehicle and think this is the way manufacturers should have gone for several reasons. My Prius was driven by the battery only up to 28mph so in a 30mph I'd have cars close behind unless I went to 30 and allowed the petrol to take over. I wish they'd designed it for petrol to cut in at,say 35mph or better still, 41mph but I expect there were design problems doing that. I'd have preferred the industry concentrated on reducing emissions to a minimum with 'clean engines' and keep developing ever-cleaner fuel which, according to this video, Toyota are doing.

The title ? Shoud have been 'decision'...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEC5S_fn7nU

Agree I’m not convinced that electric vehicles are the way to go, at least at the moment, technology changes though so I may well be proven wrong.
I believe that small efficient petrol engines are still the way forward, emissions are low and there is no environmental damage from mining though of course oil extraction isn’t exactly good either
Our current car and the previous 3 have been Toyota Yaris
Completely reliable well made and cheap to run
Our current one is great, plenty of room and has all the gadgets , cruise control which is great for long trips and the sat nav is so handy

 

[Nod]

A very quick google suggests that a relatively big EV (iPace) costs around 1/2 what a Yaris costs per mile (if charging at home).

 

[AndrewFlannigan]

(if charging at home).

In other words, doing a Musk and cheating your fellow citizens by not contributing to the country's running costs...

 

[Sky]

 

[mj4456]

A very quick google suggests that a relatively big EV (iPace) costs around 1/2 what a Yaris costs per mile (if charging at home).

How long does it take the earn back the difference in purchase price though?

 

[woof woof]

For many reasons I've been sceptical of EV's since the beginning and nothing I've seen or read has convinced me they're the way forward. Things which bother me from a selfish POV rather than an environmental POV include longevity and costs. For example I have three cars and they are 24 years old, 15 years old and 10 years old. Will an EV still be on the road in 10? 15? 25 years time? Another issue is cost. I often watch a car dealer on Youtube who was stung buying a hybrid car which developed a fault with the battery, well not really the battery but rather the electronics in the pack. The manufacturer quoted over £20k for a new pack as they don't dismantle and repair them and that was beyond the value of the car but luckily he found a company who'd replace the electronics rather than the whole pack and got the cost down to AFAIR under £7k. That's quite a repair cost.

Any "thing" can go wrong and need fixing but at this point in time there must be a rather large question mark over the potential costs once your EV or hybrid is out of warranty.

 

[Steep]

Here we go again... good EV..bad EV

 

[Nod]

In other words, doing a Musk and cheating your fellow citizens by not contributing to the country's running costs...

GFY.

I pay every bit of tax I'm required to, as does Mrs Nod.

 

[AndrewFlannigan]

GFY.

I pay every bit of tax I'm required to, as does Mrs Nod.

Thank you for saying "Good for You", I much appreciate the vote of confidence.

 

[woof woof]

Here we go again... good EV..bad EV

Hmm. I hadn't thought of that. You've fixed and answered everything. Thanks.

 

[LCPete]

A very quick google suggests that a relatively big EV (iPace) costs around 1/2 what a Yaris costs per mile (if charging at home).

Yes don’t disagree but the cost of one of those is way over our budget to be honest

 

[LCPete]

For many reasons I've been sceptical of EV's since the beginning and nothing I've seen or read has convinced me they're the way forward. Things which bother me from a selfish POV rather than an environmental POV include longevity and costs. For example I have three cars and they are 24 years old, 15 years old and 10 years old. Will an EV still be on the road in 10? 15? 25 years time? Another issue is cost. I often watch a car dealer on Youtube who was stung buying a hybrid car which developed a fault with the battery, well not really the battery but rather the electronics in the pack. The manufacturer quoted over £20k for a new pack as they don't dismantle and repair them and that was beyond the value of the car but luckily he found a company who'd replace the electronics rather than the whole pack and got the cost down to AFAIR under £7k. That's quite a repair cost.

Any "thing" can go wrong and need fixing but at this point in time there must be a rather large question mark over the potential costs once your EV or hybrid is out of warranty.

yes agree worst case scenario in a petrol car is way less than that

 

[Nod]

Yes don’t disagree but the cost of one of those is way over our budget to be honest

A new Yaris starts at around 23k (according to a quick google) which is more than a decent iPace (albeit 2nd hand).

 

[LCPete]

A new Yaris starts at around 23k (according to a quick google) which is more than a decent iPace (albeit 2nd hand).

Yep true
I should have said we bought ours a few years ago as pre registered at a big discount, 12K , a new one is too expensive for us now
Not sure what we will get when we do need a new car but planning on keeping our Yaris for a good while yet