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Yesterday i witnessed a stabbing and posesing of firearms.
It took them about 5 minutes to come to the crime scene, but it takes them seconds to give us parking tickets! When i phoned the force, was asked silly stupid questions, while few meters away from me people were fighting.
When they finally came, bunch of attackers had fled away, officers just walked around, joked about injured man. They took evidence, blocked the road and apart from that nothing!! Even when i said that one of the attackers was local and i knew where he lived. (just 100 meters away!!!!!!) Nothing! When i said about my neighbour that saw the situation officers did nothing?! (she was wery close to accident)!!!!! :gag:
Finally one of the officers said to me that he is paid 30k a year and he doesnt care and doesnt want to be killed, that was the reason to NOT to chase those yobs!!!!!!!:bonk:
WTF i served 3 years in the Army, but when i apllied for a job got the letter saying i wasnt competent enough.:bang::cuckoo: Simply didnt fit recruting policy (white, straight, catholic) Iam really angry!
One think is certain i would risk my life for 30k, because i would love the JOB!!

What is wrong with Met Police?
BTW ididnt mean to offend any fully commited, hard working officers, as i fully respect the force. Is just iam dissapointed with what i saw yesterday!
 
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foto kitsch said:
BTW ididnt mean to offend any fully commited, hard working officers, as i fully respect the force. Is just iam dissapointed with what i saw yesterday!
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I shouldnt worry, the fully commited, hard working officers are very rare.
Perhaps a letter to the Police complaints commission might get these armed thugs locked up and off the streets.

Stew
 
officers dont have the balls like in the old days

i had to detain a male because both copers were scared i walked along side him then took him to the floor and the coppers handcuffed him

if i didnt they wouldnt of touched him , the copper said the your underarrest but wanst anywhere near him

they seem to let any one in nowadays
 
the actions of those police is a joke, but i dont understand your comparison with getting a parking ticket.

its not the police who issue the tickets, its the traffic wardens

I haven't had a poor experience with the police yet. They were very helpful when i had to deal with them in Newcastle when my car got keyed. He was a brilliant guy, jokey, explaining all the procedures and really wanted to nail the guy who did it :lol:
 
the only things round here that get chased by the police are motorists and the doughnut van
 
I always thought the police strategy, probably 'risk-assessed', was to watch or wait to see what happened, and arrest who-ever was standing at the end.
 
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its not the police who issue the tickets, its the traffic wardens
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Its only because got driving tickets only twice in my life and got them from the Police, they just came out of nowhere:) almost like they were waiting for me :)

I think in some cases cops might be scared of the consequences of their actions, i believe that cops should be allowed to use weapons, as it it everywhere in Europe. Lets give more power to the force.!!!! The goverment should stop this nonsens with soft, politicaly correct approach to almost untouchable thugs on the streets!
 
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Give them all tazers, then Properly arm those who want it.
Some may say that arming the police will increase gun crime, well I got news for you, in some areas most crims are already armed!
Maybe, just maybe its time this country stood up for the law abiding average citizen as opposed to the subset of society that thinks its ok to assault, rob, harrass and intimidate.

ok I'll get down off my soapbox now.
 
Country's f***ed mate. Law abiding citizens are easy pciking s for some of our boys in blue giving the decent ones a bad name too.

High time the PC brigade got off their bloody high horses and started addressing the real villains instead of persecuting those of us who want a decent society and are prepared to stand up for ourselves.

Rant over - for now at least!
 
:plusone: for an armed police force I'm afraid. I used to think that it was a bad idea, and in some ways I still do (would you trust some of the cowboy rozzers you come across with a gat?!) but if that's what it takes to remove all excuses for them not dealing with people breaking firearms laws then so be it. I've sat and watched a police car slow down, then drive past, what was verging on a riot outside the kebab shop (Which also happens to be opposite my house). I sat and watched until it died down and the crowd dispersed and no police returned. It wasn't until a couple of days later chatting to the bloke in the kebab shop that he had in fact called the police, and they turned up an hour later. It was a wednesday night.

It's a real shame that the police force has come to this. I've met some diamond police officers down here, and they'll be the first to admit that they have to work with some real ********s. It's not an easy job, with the amount of restrictions and regs they have to follow. BUT if it's a tough job that they can't do, why are they doing it? I'm sure Scotty will agree that in our line of work (which is a tough one at times) if a guy can't do the job, they're soon dealt with.
 
The police force over here all carry weapons, for obvious reasons. Strange that we rarely hear of any gang related incidents, just the odd bomb or the IRA shooting at the police.
 
it really does seem silly to have a police force armed only with truncheons....basically, sticks. That being said, if you arm police, they need to be fully trained and competant in the use of said firearms. There has to be a happy medium somewhere, theres way too much paperwork and political correctness hampering things.
 
Typical attitude of the police these days - couldn't care less, unless it's an easy collar. Frankly, it's his job to chase after the nasty man, irrespective of how much or how little he feels he is being paid. If that's too onerous, than he shouldn't have taken the job in the first place.
 
foto kitsch said:
Yesterday i witnessed a stabbing and posesing of firearms.
It took them about 5 minutes to come to the crime scene, but it takes them seconds to give us parking tickets! When i phoned the force, was asked silly stupid questions, while few meters away from me people were fighting.
When they finally came, bunch of attackers had fled away, officers just walked around, joked about injured man. They took evidence, blocked the road and apart from that nothing!! Even when i said that one of the attackers was local and i knew where he lived. (just 100 meters away!!!!!!) Nothing! When i said about my neighbour that saw the situation officers did nothing?! (she was wery close to accident)!!!!! :gag:
Finally one of the officers said to me that he is paid 30k a year and he doesnt care and doesnt want to be killed, that was the reason to NOT to chase those yobs!!!!!!!:bonk:
WTF i served 3 years in the Army, but when i apllied for a job got the letter saying i wasnt competent enough.:bang::cuckoo: Simply didnt fit recruting policy (white, straight, catholic) Iam really angry!
One think is certain i would risk my life for 30k, because i would love the JOB!!

What is wrong with Met Police?
BTW ididnt mean to offend any fully commited, hard working officers, as i fully respect the force. Is just iam dissapointed with what i saw yesterday!
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Saddest post I've read in ages and even sadder that I can believe every word of it. Shameful!
 
What amazes me is when people come on here with stories like this and are in shock.. But what really amazes me is the amount of people replying in disbelief..

Do you all live in farmhouses or little villages? As for the "this day and age" brigade..eh?

There are some decent police but most of em are right so and so's.. and thats been the situation for 30-40 yrs ..

WAKEY WAKEY!
 
foto kitsch said:
Yesterday i witnessed a stabbing and posesing of firearms.
It took them about 5 minutes to come to the crime scene, but it takes them seconds to give us parking tickets! When i phoned the force, was asked silly stupid questions, while few meters away from me people were fighting.
When they finally came, bunch of attackers had fled away, officers just walked around, joked about injured man. They took evidence, blocked the road and apart from that nothing!! Even when i said that one of the attackers was local and i knew where he lived. (just 100 meters away!!!!!!) Nothing! When i said about my neighbour that saw the situation officers did nothing?! (she was wery close to accident)!!!!! :gag:
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The term 'only fools rush in' comes to mind when reading this post.
You say that you were asked silly stupid questions when you phoned about the incident - what sort of questions were they ?
Your details,address,contact number,location,how many offenders,injuries etc ?
Sounds to me like you are a valuable witness to a serious offence and to put offenders before the court you need witnesses.
You then say that they blocked the road and took evidence - seems like the correct thing to do when investigating a crime.
You knew one of the attackers and where he lived - no need to rush in and risk injury by stabbing or shooting - a planned approach to arrest the offender, who may still be armed and dangerous.
Neighbour witnessed the offence - most people who witness a serious crime/incident are traumatised by it and take time to calm down.Much better to get a detailed account when the witness is calm.
The first rule all police officers work by is 'the protection of life and property'.

'Protection of Life' - be it a member of the public,police officer,paramedic, even an offender.

For those wondering at this point, yes I am in the job and very proud to be as well.
Lets not forget here that guns and knives can kill people, including police officers.
I personally dont want to die before my time and I didn't join the job with the attitude that I would die for the job. But their is a greater element of risk being a police officer that you may be injured or be killed.

Regards

david700
 
foto_kitsch - Send me a private message, and I'll have a look into it. I'll need location (including the borough), date and time.

I'm also with david700. Most people who have read my posts know how seriously I take my job, and I'm not an exception. I would also add that 5 minutes is not a bad response time; it might feel like an age, but when trying to get an emergency response vehicle through the streets of London - especially when, as you imply, it was a "firearms" incident - that's about 300 seconds for us to take the call, assess it, find appropriate resources, co-ordinate them and get them to you.
 
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Sounds to me like you are a valuable witness to a serious offence and to put offenders before the court you need witnesses.
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You then say that they blocked the road and took evidence - seems like the correct thing to do when investigating a crime.
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Could save a lot of time and money just grabbing the guy there and then.
You knew one of the attackers and where he lived - no need to rush in and risk injury by stabbing or shooting - a planned approach to arrest the offender, who may still be armed and dangerous.
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And still on the streets thanks to the police who were called not bothering to take him down.
Neighbour witnessed the offence - most people who witness a serious crime/incident are traumatised by it and take time to calm down.Much better to get a detailed account when the witness is calm.
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The witness will also have time to think. Think about NOT talknig for fear of being targetted by his mates.
I personally dont want to die before my time and I didn't join the job with the attitude that I would die for the job.
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You're in the wrong job then. That's like everyone in MY line of work turning round and saying that the're not willing to die for the job. I've heard a few times police officers banging on about how the job they do is harder that the job the armed forces do, and how they deserve the same, if not more, respect. I'm not arguing either way, I'm not a police officer, nor will I ever be, but the attitude of protecting yourself first before the public seems to go against what the police force is for.
But their is a greater element of risk being a police officer that you may be injured or be killed.
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Again, why do the job then? A police force that's afraid to be wounded or killed is a useless one in my eyes, certainly in this day and age.


No offence intended, but that's from an outsiders view.
 
ChrisMClark said:
Again, why do the job then? A police force that's afraid to be wounded or killed is a useless one in my eyes, certainly in this day and age.
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It's similar to the first rule of first aid. You don't put yourself at risk of death to help someone else out.

Obviously an officer should be prepared to go a bit further than a member of the public in apprehending a criminal but a dead police officer is not of much use to anyone.


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Steve Smith said:
It's similar to the first rule of first aid. You don't put yourself at risk of death to help someone else out.

Obviously an officer should be prepared to go a bit further than a member of the public in apprehending a criminal but a dead police officer is not of much use to anyone.


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But the police force is there to protect the public. While I agree there shouldn't be the need to do this, sometimes there is. Would it have been different if someone had been shot? What if 5 people had been shot? Would the still have let them walk saying 'oh, can't put myself at risk, we'll get him later'. It stinks IMO.
 
ChrisMClark said:
But the police force is there to protect the public. While I agree there shouldn't be the need to do this, sometimes there is. Would it have been different if someone had been shot? What if 5 people had been shot? Would the still have let them walk saying 'oh, can't put myself at risk, we'll get him later'. It stinks IMO.
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No, but in that situation, it would probably be safer to get everyone else away from the area and out of any potential danger than try to confront the person concerned when they may not be prepared for him being dangerous and/or armed.


Steve.
 
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No, but in that situation, it would probably be safer to get everyone else away from the area and out of any potential danger than try to confront the person concerned when they may not be prepared for him being dangerous and/or armed.
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I'll agree with that...mostly :lol: What concerns me is that they've let a dangerous, armed person go, and there's no way of knowing where they've gone, how long it'll take to find them, and who else they'll hurt in the meantime.
 
the only time i was ever in a similar situation I was on a bus in NW London
A guy pulled out a machete and threatened this other guys wife.
I called the cops, and within 2 mins the bus was surrounded by 2 police vans and 3 police cars. Within 3 mins they had the guy with the knife in the back of the van.
I was quite impressed to be honest.

Sorry if that doesnt really go along with the general direction of the thread.
 
with regards to arming the police, I like it the way it is. The specialist cops do have guns and most of the cops on the beat dont.
I wouldnt want to see every copper on the beat with a gun, it would make me feel really uncomfortable and IMHO would make things much worse.
 
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with regards to arming the police, I like it the way it is. The specialist cops do have guns and most of the cops on the beat dont.
I wouldnt want to see every copper on the beat with a gun, it would make me feel really uncomfortable and IMHO would make things much worse.
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Along with most of my colleagues, I don't wish to be armed either.
 
The sad state of our country which has declined over the past few decades.

The police dont have enough power and are constantly in fear or losing their jobs for not following the rule book exactly.

Im not sure about arming police, Im kind of on the fence on that one.
If one innocent person dies as a result, does that make the whole system wrong?...im not sure

Seems to work for the Americans, the police there appear to have a lot more respect than our do.
 
Photo Plod said:
Along with most of my colleagues, I don't wish to be armed either.
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Why? Just out of curiosity - not needed? Not wanted? Fear of escalation? Already enough TSG support within your area?
I live in Germany and all officers are armed and it's just part of the uniform, though they will kill as a last-resort if required to do so - two high-profile shootings (with legally-owned weapons) last year saw that one was on TV and the female officer waited til the last possible moment to take the shot - the bloke would have been toast long before, had I been in her shoes...

I routinely go armed in Public and to be honest, even though I'm trained to use it quite effectively (Bosses were most upset to discover I'm a better pistol-shot than any of them that are supposed to be armed with them), it's a bit of a burden when working.

With a rifle, it's slung round my back out of the way so I can access my cameras properly - I have no chance of getting that into the aim in a hurry, even if my life depended on it - which of course, it does...lol

The SIG lives in a Blackhawk tactical holster on the chest of my Osprey Body Armour - that I can get to in a hurry, but the range is limited to 50m or so - and that's on a calm day - in a firefight, maybe 10m if I'm lucky...

So on reflection, I'd rather go unarmed here as well - it's just more weight to carry and more stuff to clean at the end of the work-day...

I once watched a single unarmed police officer disarm an armed suspect in a group of other 'less-than-friendly' individuals on the seafront in Brighton and I felt nothing but awe for the way in which it was accomplished - Big Brass Balls and no mistake...that it turned out to be a replica weapon means nothing - there was no way of knowing that Beretta 92F was fake or real til it was stripped-down.

Coppers are just like the rest of us - some good some bad some in the middle - £30k a year? I wouldn't die for that either...Risking you life is something else - I do that every day I drive on the roads - but the risk assessment is down to the individual...
If property is being damaged, so what? Insurance pays out and everyone's premium goes up a little.
If a group of youths are hammering seven bells out of one another, again, so what? They'll all be in the pub together again next week...

I feel the frustration of the OP, but really? Would you have waded in to all that? A shooting and a stabbing? Nahhh...and as to a 5-minute response-time - I think that's pretty bloody quick TBH...
 
I don't get what people mean when they say the answer to crime is arming police.

What do you expect the cops to do? Have shoot outs with kids in hoodies?

They aren't going to draw their weapon let alone fire it unless they think they are going to be able to prove themselve justified and the "yobbos" are going to realise that very quickly.

I'm not against Police using guns against armed criminals, but lets face it how many times do the Police even *see* the criminals? Gun or no gun, if you don't turn up you can't nick them!

Arming police, waste of money - not just in buying guns and training people but in the subsequent litigation that will ensue.

Spend the money on more cops if you want to crack down on crime, so that crims don't know what they know round my way which is that they have at least 45 minutes to get away because there aren't actually any cops even if you call them.
 
The police have a duty to protect life and property. It's not a right, a privilege or something that individual officers can exercise at their own discretion. Obviously, there are situations where an officer or officers cannot be expected to intervene immediately, without appropriate back up, but I wasn't very impressed by this article yesterday http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...-fail-to-investigate-one-third-of-crimes.html. The article is in the public domain, so I think I can quote from it, but please remove it if I'm breaching copyright.

"Among 18 English, Welsh and Scottish forces which operate official screening-out policies, 697,000 offences went uninvestigated during the 2008/9 financial year, out of a total of 2.2 million reported crimes – a rate of 32 per cent.

A further 15 forces said they did not formally "screen out" crimes, although some nevertheless admitted that offences could be earmarked for "no further action", or a similar label, at an early stage.

The findings suggest that across the UK last year, out of 5.2 million crimes reported to police around 1.7 million went uninvestigated". (Sunday Telegraph, byline Ben Leach and John Fagan, 22/11/09).

There's a link to another article quoting Sir Hugh Orde, the President of ACPO, claiming that many Chief Constables will resign if Conservative plans to place them under the authority of elected Commissioners become law. I wonder why? It sounds like a fear of accountability, dressed up in politically correct camouflage to me.

There have been a few debates about arming the police, usually citing the views of senior ranks and other serving officers, but I think this is missing the point. Any decision on this should be made by the electorate through a referendum, not parliament or the police themselves. I might be more inclined to support it if the state restored my right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes, along the lines of the US "Right to Carry" laws, which have appropriate safeguards in place. Why should I trust the armed law enforcement representatives of a state that doesn't trust me?
 
ChrisMClark said:
Could save a lot of time and money just grabbing the guy there and then.

And still on the streets thanks to the police who were called not bothering to take him down.

The witness will also have time to think. Think about NOT talknig for fear of being targetted by his mates.

You're in the wrong job then. That's like everyone in MY line of work turning round and saying that the're not willing to die for the job. I've heard a few times police officers banging on about how the job they do is harder that the job the armed forces do, and how they deserve the same, if not more, respect. I'm not arguing either way, I'm not a police officer, nor will I ever be, but the attitude of protecting yourself first before the public seems to go against what the police force is for.
Again, why do the job then? A police force that's afraid to be wounded or killed is a useless one in my eyes, certainly in this day and age.


No offence intended, but that's from an outsiders view.
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Yes, but is this is assuming the OP's account 100% factually accurate????

How does the OP know that an armed response vehicle was not sent directly to the home address of the named suspect and was detained there and then? There would have been a lot of police actions going on the OP wouldnt have been witness to, and seems to be judging the whole response to the incident on one rather blase officer.

The OP, by this account, witnessed an attempted murder, with a knife, and suspects bearing firearms. I doubt very much they would brush this off the way it has been described. The OP would be expected to give a very detailed formal statement - did he do this?

There are lots of facts missing (which to be fair to the OP he wouldnt know about) - too many facts for people to rush to judgement.

And on a side note, police officers put themselves at risk everyday for the sake of others, and have died for the sake of protecting others. Its sad that this thread proves a lot of people are totally ignorant to this.
 
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Could save a lot of time and money just grabbing the guy there and then.

And still on the streets thanks to the police who were called not bothering to take him down.

The witness will also have time to think. Think about NOT talknig for fear of being targetted by his mates.

You're in the wrong job then. That's like everyone in MY line of work turning round and saying that the're not willing to die for the job. I've heard a few times police officers banging on about how the job they do is harder that the job the armed forces do, and how they deserve the same, if not more, respect. I'm not arguing either way, I'm not a police officer, nor will I ever be, but the attitude of protecting yourself first before the public seems to go against what the police force is for.
Again, why do the job then? A police force that's afraid to be wounded or killed is a useless one in my eyes, certainly in this day and age.


No offence intended, but that's from an outsiders view.
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No offence taken either.

What I would ask Chris is if faced with a situation where a criminal is armed with a gun and a knife and all you have is a steel baton and a pepper spray, would thoughts of self preservation not come into play and a planned response,with appropriate tactics, to dealing with the incident be more considered. ?
I will say again,I didn,t join the job with the sole attitude that I would die for the job - call it self preservation.
If you are prepared to do a job where you are willing to lay down your life, then thats your choice and I wont be critical of your personal stance.

If you had asked me whether I have put my life at risk during my career, then I would say yes. Pulling a family from a burning house, stood in a line facing hundreds of rioters,attacked with knives and axes - just a few of the things that I have personally experienced.

I have an inkling of your line of work, with the utmost admiration for what you do, and Im sure that you are appropriately 'equipped' to face the dangers you do.
As both I and you mentioned, first rule is protection of life - and if that includes the police officer, then so be it.

As I said, no offence taken at all.

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david700
 
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So today ive been phoned by police, was told they did not arrest anybody just yet, was asked if i could recognize anybodys(face) i said no (its not easy to see the black faces from the balcony about 6m high in the night time) so officer thanked me and that is it.
I ve decided that iam done with it, i know they (gang) came to sb living down the road from me, they came once they can come again.:thumbsdown:

About arming the Force, well.....i work in construction, i met hundreds of yobs, criminals of any age, one think is exactly the same for all of them... absolute, totall disrespect to the force, they just know that police can do "f... all" iam not even mentioning PCSO`s
They adviced me to stay away, so i think iam gonna believe them.:|

About stupid questions....was asked if they behave violent?!(already one person was stabbed) was asked about their age?! (is it really important) was asked what sort of gun that was (does it matter?!) was asked to quickly describe the yobs! :shrug:

Iam done with the yobs! I guess its just reality in north east London.
 
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So today ive been phoned by police, was told they did not arrest anybody just yet, was asked if i could recognize anybodys(face) i said no (its not easy to see the black faces from the balcony about 6m high in the night time) so officer thanked me and that is it.
I ve decided that iam done with it, i know they (gang) came to sb living down the road from me, they came once they can come again.:thumbsdown:

About arming the Force, well.....i work in construction, i met hundreds of yobs, criminals of any age, one think is exactly the same for all of them... absolute, totall disrespect to the force, they just know that police can do "f... all" iam not even mentioning PCSO`s
They adviced me to stay away, so i think iam gonna believe them.:|

About stupid questions....was asked if they behave violent?!(already one person was stabbed) was asked about their age?! (is it really important) was asked what sort of gun that was (does it matter?!) was asked to quickly describe the yobs! :shrug:

Iam done with the yobs! I guess its just reality in north east London.
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Hang on, you said in your 1st post you knew who it was and told them where he lived? Now you dont know what they even look like?? Hmmm....

Now I dont think you are telling the truth about this. Sounds like a load of rubbish to me.

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... They took evidence, blocked the road and apart from that nothing!! Even when i said that one of the attackers was local and i knew where he lived. (just 100 meters away!!!!!!) Nothing!....
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The sad state of our country which has declined over the past few decades.
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If i had a quid for every time I've read that line in 'out of focus'.
I think people have rose tinted memories. There is plenty to complain about in this country (including the amount of people that do nothing but moan), but things are in general much better now than they were 20 years ago.
 
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Hang on, you said in your 1st post you knew who it was and told them where he lived? Now you dont know what they even look like?? Hmmm....

Now I dont think you are telling the truth about this.
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Yeah try to describe the faces of around 20 black teens, guy i was talking about was there but i could not say if was him doing the stabbing, and i knew it was him because of his specific haircutand the jacket, seen him few times while walking my dog. Even by daylight he is not the kind of person i would be looking at, from some distance (10m) even in daylight black faces look the same to me.
And half an hour before it happend gang was standing between house numbers 40 and 36, right there are the only 2 houses where i ever seen black teens on my street. So that is why i said I knew that one of them lived there.
 
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Its not quite how you have been portraying it then is it? You didnt know who he was or where he lived, or who had committed the stabbing. Not only that, you couldnt give police a decent description of the offender. Also I think you have engaged in racial stereotyping. Just because black people live there it doesnt mean they were involved. Really you had no useful information the police could work with.
 
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