LR Saturation Problem

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Just back from Norway with my pics loaded into LR. I have noticed a problem with them though in that LR seems to be changing the colours, undersaturating them I think. I have lot's of shots of the iconic red Norwegian houses and also some of Norwegian flags both of which have a very obvious deep red. I load the RAW files into LR and they appear ok when until after the "rendering preview" messages has come up then the reds looks almost orange! :gag:

This is very strange as I don't remember LR doing this before to my pics. I have not changed anything in my workflow or white ballance settings. Nor have I changed any of my colour profiles.

Anyone know what's wrong and/or how to fix it? Any help much appreciated. :thumbs:
 
Hi Ema what you see in your brief flash up is the inbeded JPG data that swiftly vanishes rather than being applied to your raw image, apparently the only way to combat this is to create a profile (DNG has more control) or import a jpg version and keep playing til you match it and then save the profile.
I suffer with this myself and it drives me bonkers so id be interested to hear further replies on this one
 
As has been said above the embedded jpegs from the camera have already had some in camera tweaking applied, however you should be able to better those within the develop module of Lightroom.
 
Install latest version of DNG convertor with Adobe Camera Raw (ACR). They will install various camera profiles that you can choose in Camera Calibration section in Develop module. Among these profiles will be some with closer correspondence to your in-camera processing.
 
If I play around in the develop module I can get the colours looks pretty correct. It's just a pain to have to do this and not have it correct straight off. The strange thing is I didn't have this problem at all as far as I can remember until only about a week ago. I can't see how anything can have changed in LR though.
 
EMA747 said:
If I play around in the develop module I can get the colours looks pretty correct. It's just a pain to have to do this and not have it correct straight off. The strange thing is I didn't have this problem at all as far as I can remember until only about a week ago. I can't see how anything can have changed in LR though.
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Are you shooting jpeg or raw mate?
 
Set up some import presets so that they do the bulk of the work for you. Or just shoot in JPEG :lol:
 
EMA747 said:
If I play around in the develop module I can get the colours looks pretty correct. It's just a pain to have to do this and not have it correct straight off. The strange thing is I didn't have this problem at all as far as I can remember until only about a week ago. I can't see how anything can have changed in LR though.
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If you do it for one, get the colours correct that is, then if you highlight it first, then pick the others and sync them all, you should be able to change them at one fell swoop.

Are you sure it's not a monitor problem though?
 
The colour shift that you're seeing is a fairly common issue with raw files. Most digital imaging equipment has problems capturing reds accurately, it does vary between manufacturers and camera models though.

Most manufacturers software is developed to compensate for this, both in the camera when in jpeg mode, and any desktop applications. This is why reds will be more accurate in Canon's Digital Photo Pro software than they are in Lightroom.

But there is a way around it in Lightroom, or at least one that's worked consistently for me. In the develop module, at the bottom of the right hand panels is a section called "Camera calibration", and in there is a drop down menu titled "Profile".

This is what affects all of the baseline colours in the image, and should be set accurately before you make any other changes to the image. It's default value will depend on what changes (if any) you've selected on your camera. If your camera is set to "sRGB" then the default menu option will be either "ACR 4.2" or "ACR 4.4" which are profiles created by adobe in specific lighting conditions (in the middle of winter, on the planet Zarg). If your camera is set to "Adobe RGB" then the menu option will be "Adobe Standard".

Now I've never found the adobe standard, or either of the ACR profiles to be accurate. What I do instead is select the "Camera Standard" menu option, and the reds (and the other colours) return to where I would except them to be. You can then set this as a default when importing new images.

It's worth pointing out that this applies to Adobe Camera Raw plugin as well as lightroom, and that you can create your own profile if you buy (or know someone with) a calibration target print.
 
Tomas Whitehouse said:
Are you shooting jpeg or raw mate?
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Shooting RAW all the time. Once you've gone RAW you can't go back to JPEG. :D


rsloman - Thanks for that info. I have just updated my LR to v2.4 and I get a lot more calibration profiles than I had before. (A pitty I didn't have internet access in Norway so I could have sorted it there). I will have to take a few test shots now I am at home and set the profile that looks the most correct.

How do I get LR to apply the calibration profile I choose all the time unless I select another one manually?


Once again thanks for the advice guys. :thumbs:

Andy S
 
Make a preset in the develop module, then apply that on import.
 
rsloman said:
The colour shift that you're seeing is a fairly common issue with raw files. Most digital imaging equipment has problems capturing reds accurately, it does vary between manufacturers and camera models though.

Most manufacturers software is developed to compensate for this, both in the camera when in jpeg mode, and any desktop applications. This is why reds will be more accurate in Canon's Digital Photo Pro software than they are in Lightroom.

But there is a way around it in Lightroom, or at least one that's worked consistently for me. In the develop module, at the bottom of the right hand panels is a section called "Camera calibration", and in there is a drop down menu titled "Profile".

This is what affects all of the baseline colours in the image, and should be set accurately before you make any other changes to the image. It's default value will depend on what changes (if any) you've selected on your camera. If your camera is set to "sRGB" then the default menu option will be either "ACR 4.2" or "ACR 4.4" which are profiles created by adobe in specific lighting conditions (in the middle of winter, on the planet Zarg). If your camera is set to "Adobe RGB" then the menu option will be "Adobe Standard".

Now I've never found the adobe standard, or either of the ACR profiles to be accurate. What I do instead is select the "Camera Standard" menu option, and the reds (and the other colours) return to where I would except them to be. You can then set this as a default when importing new images.

It's worth pointing out that this applies to Adobe Camera Raw plugin as well as lightroom, and that you can create your own profile if you buy (or know someone with) a calibration target print.
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Interesting thread. I'm using LR2 and my camera is set to sRGB but all images use Adobe Standard camera calibration. How can I get it to use another Camera Profile as default, apart from setting it as a develop pre-set and automatically importing it with that pre-set?

(Sorry to hi-jack the thread!)
 
In the develop module, open the Develop menu and select the "Set default settings" option. Bear in mind this will apply ALL settings of whatever image you've got open, not just the calibration options.

When importing new images, make sure you select "None" in the develop settings otherwise you'll override any new defaults you've set.

I set all of the settings to zero before making the settings default. That way I know where I stand.
 
rsloman said:
In the develop module, open the Develop menu and select the "Set default settings" option. Bear in mind this will apply ALL settings of whatever image you've got open, not just the calibration options.

When importing new images, make sure you select "None" in the develop settings otherwise you'll override any new defaults you've set.

I set all of the settings to zero before making the settings default. That way I know where I stand.
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I have just tried to change my settings to the above, but I have a slight problem.:bonk:

Ive set the camera calibration to "camera standard", which has made no difference & also now its shows the camera profile as "embedded"?

Any help gratefully appreciated.

Spence
 
Embedded is what's used for JPEG files, not RAW. You'll need to change the profile on the camera (which is limited to Adobe RGB or sRGB only).
 
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