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Hi this lens is for Air shows/days out ECT and general out and about stuff

which one is the best


this one

this one
this one


or this one

as i say these are what i am interested in, i plan to get out more when the new car arrives and go to events around the lancs area and would like one of these in my tool kit, with the wife's permission your advice would be greatly received before i buy. i am not being lazy just undesisive and looking for much valued advice all

Regards Mark
 
I think your choice is going to be between the top two but it depends on whether you would want the 70-200 + potential teleconverter or the 100-400 for that extra bit of length.
 
Thanks thats what i was thinking but i would use a 1x4 teleconverter, but then it's extra gear and messing with the body converter + lens, my manual dexterity is rubbish, but like the idea

70-200 would be 150x450 on a cropped sen + converter

100-400 would be 224x900 i think my conversations are correct 1.6 x mm x 1.4 converter ???

but then i lose AF on the 100-400 so with out i would get 160x640 which isn't bad

Regards Mark.
 
I have one lens with IS and to be honest I haven't found it an advantage, my opinion would be to invest in a good monopod or tripod and spend the cash on better faster glass rather than electronics.
 
Mark,

Of course, only you will know the answer to these two but I think that both points are worthy of consideration...maybe more so than the focal length issue.

The 70-200 is a rotary action zoom whereas the 100-400 is a push-pull. You should consider which you're likely to find easiest.

IS/no-IS....I think a tripod may be a restriction in certain circumstances and a monopod not ideal either. A shoulder pod might be a more flexible option....I've seen them used by macro togs and I'm pretty sure you'd get on with one

If you're not sure what I mean, have a look at these links
http://www.amazon.com/Novoflex-Shoulder-Support-Mounting-Thread/dp/B000H7OAKC

or a chest pod

http://www.speedgraphic.co.uk/prod.asp?i=8414&1=Novoflex+PISTOCK-C+Chestpod

or a rifle grip with shutter release at the trigger
http://bushhawk.shopol.com/Item/BH-220D.htm I have one of these :thumbs:

All worth considering along with the lens issue.

Bob
 
I think you would get more pleasure from the 70 - 200 f2.8. With the 1.6x that makes it quite a long lens on its own. The planes come pretty close and the speed of the lens will help, and also give nice Bokeh when isolating backgrounds.

The 70 - 200 is a very versatilelens. That and a 24-70 and you're done for 90% of situations with just two lenses to tote about.
 
I personally don't get on with the 100-400. I found the 400 f/5.6 prime to be a stunning lens for birds in flight and I guess airshows would be similar. It's light and easy to use and produces images as sharp as my 500 f/4L.
 
My 100-400 is pretty sharp, but with a Canon 1.4 II I'm not enamoured with it, albeit there must be quite a bit of atmospheric compression (whatever it's called) I'm more inclined to crop than have it on despite the fact that for me it still autofocusses at F8
Jamie
 
Canon Bob said:
Mark,

Of course, only you will know the answer to these two but I think that both points are worthy of consideration...maybe more so than the focal length issue.

The 70-200 is a rotary action zoom whereas the 100-400 is a push-pull. You should consider which you're likely to find easiest.

IS/no-IS....I think a tripod may be a restriction in certain circumstances and a monopod not ideal either. A shoulder pod might be a more flexible option....I've seen them used by macro togs and I'm pretty sure you'd get on with one

If you're not sure what I mean, have a look at these links
http://www.amazon.com/Novoflex-Shoulder-Support-Mounting-Thread/dp/B000H7OAKC

or a chest pod

http://www.speedgraphic.co.uk/prod.asp?i=8414&1=Novoflex+PISTOCK-C+Chestpod

or a rifle grip with shutter release at the trigger
http://bushhawk.shopol.com/Item/BH-220D.htm I have one of these :thumbs:

All worth considering along with the lens issue.

Bob
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Many thanks Bob you certainly love your gadgets, and i will investigate all of these, what ever make it more enjoyable and will give the quality i am looking for in photography many thanks, i was wondering about the slide action, + the stiffening ring to many things to consider, so i would go for the rotary zoom 70-200mm, i have a mono pod and it has a foot rest, i just put my front wheel on it does the job grand :) i could look for a quick release and use the mono pod like a stick.

Lensflare said:
I think you would get more pleasure from the 70 - 200 f2.8. With the 1.6x that makes it quite a long lens on its own. The planes come pretty close and the speed of the lens will help, and also give nice Bokeh when isolating backgrounds.

The 70 - 200 is a very versatilelens. That and a 24-70 and you're done for 90% of situations with just two lenses to tote about.
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many thanks, yes that is spot on and it concurs with what Bob has said about the rotary zoom, it is a issue for me and the 70-200 f/2.8 is leading the way i could attach the 1x4 converter full time to the lens if needed to avoid dropping anything or my clumsy hands breaking somthing,

grumpybadger said:
I personally don't get on with the 100-400. I found the 400 f/5.6 prime to be a stunning lens for birds in flight and I guess airshows would be similar. It's light and easy to use and produces images as sharp as my 500 f/4L.
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the 400 is a cost issue but worthy of dig deep potential i will bare this in mind many thanks,

Regards Mark
 
Canon Bob said:
Mark,

Of course, only you will know the answer to these two but I think that both points are worthy of consideration...maybe more so than the focal length issue.

The 70-200 is a rotary action zoom whereas the 100-400 is a push-pull. You should consider which you're likely to find easiest.

IS/no-IS....I think a tripod may be a restriction in certain circumstances and a monopod not ideal either. A shoulder pod might be a more flexible option....I've seen them used by macro togs and I'm pretty sure you'd get on with one

If you're not sure what I mean, have a look at these links
http://www.amazon.com/Novoflex-Shoulder-Support-Mounting-Thread/dp/B000H7OAKC

or a chest pod

http://www.speedgraphic.co.uk/prod.asp?i=8414&1=Novoflex+PISTOCK-C+Chestpod

or a rifle grip with shutter release at the trigger
http://bushhawk.shopol.com/Item/BH-220D.htm I have one of these :thumbs:

All worth considering along with the lens issue.

Bob
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Many thanks Bob you certainly love your gadgets, and i will investigate all of these, what ever make it more enjoyable and will give the quality i am looking for in photography many thanks, i was wondering about the slide action, + the stiffening ring to many things to consider, so i would go for the rotary zoom 70-200mm, i have a mono pod and it has a foot rest, i just put my front wheel on it does the job grand :) i could look for a quick release and use the mono pod like a stick.

Lensflare said:
I think you would get more pleasure from the 70 - 200 f2.8. With the 1.6x that makes it quite a long lens on its own. The planes come pretty close and the speed of the lens will help, and also give nice Bokeh when isolating backgrounds.

The 70 - 200 is a very versatilelens. That and a 24-70 and you're done for 90% of situations with just two lenses to tote about.
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many thanks, yes that is spot on and it concurs with what Bob has said about the rotary zoom, it is a issue for me and the 70-200 f/2.8 is leading the way i could attach the 1x4 converter full time to the lens if needed to avoid dropping anything or my clumsy hands breaking somthing,

grumpybadger said:
I personally don't get on with the 100-400. I found the 400 f/5.6 prime to be a stunning lens for birds in flight and I guess airshows would be similar. It's light and easy to use and produces images as sharp as my 500 f/4L.
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the 400 is a cost issue but worthy of dig deep potential i will bare this in mind many thanks, or

Regards Mark
 
Nope, I said the 400 f/5.6. It's cheaper than the 100-400. The 400 f/2.8 is certainly too heavy to hand hold - it's Canon's heaviest lens!
 
grumpybadger said:
Nope, I said the 400 f/5.6. It's cheaper than the 100-400. The 400 f/2.8 is certainly too heavy to hand hold - it's Canon's heaviest lens!
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Hi sorry i double posted as well must have been very tired :cuckoo:this one i will have a look at this many thanks,

Regards Mark the refreshed a little.
 
Hi narrowed it down to

1, 70-200 IS USM L F/2.8 with a 1.4 converter <keep the converter attached to the lens,

2,100-400 IS USM L F/4 with out,

I can manage the slide action of the 100-400mm

the thing is, i will be using this in good daylight will the differance in F be of any determent to the picture,(apart from my rubbish picture taking) as the 2.8 is faster but will it make a noticeable difference.

Regards Mark.
 
Personally I would go for the 1.4 converter. You only lose one stop.
 
Hi,

my choice would be the 100-400 especially as you an pick one up used for around £700 and possibly lower these days whilst the 70-200 IS is around £800 - £850 unless you are very lucky and the factor in another £150 for the 1.4x TC.

Ok the 70-200 F2.8 will be sharper than the 100-400 but...... once you have the 200mm even with the converter you will be crying out for more length, the 100-400 is regarded as a fav lens amongst Air Displays shooters on a reasonable budget. The great thing about the zooms over the 400 F5.6 is the ability for 'find' your subject at the lower end ie: 70 or 100mm especially if they are flying whether it be planes or birds and then you can then zoom up to the higher end to fill the frame, the 400mm F5.6 will be very sharp but it's not always easy to fill the frame if too close and then might not have time to use your feet if you know what I mean.

Although I have to say whichever one you choose you won't be disappointed with either of them and the lucky thing about being a Canon user is that we have all those high quality choices at that range without breaking the bank ;).

Mike.
 
Many thanks £700 is a bout the right price, i take your talking about the IS versions i am a big fan of these they help my shots enormously, they do take extra power but i have the grip with extra batteries for that, i have made :naughty:a quick release grip for my mono-pod (home made) well butchered, as i can use it as a stick and then support the camera and me at the same time, i have looked at the triggers Canon Bob suggested and the other bits and peices, so have a lot to take in

ATM i am looking at 100-400 L IS USM 3 months old £710.00 may take the plunge ....

Regards Mark.
 
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