Lighting tripod A Few More Additions

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Posting this here for some critique as this is where all the lighting ninja's live. I took some photos of this tripod earlier today as I want to sell it (impulse buy and never used it).
Anyways thats by the by. It was good to have a try and hopefully learn something along the way. I realise for selling purposes I could just have snapped this on my phone but then I will have learnt nothing.
So !
I suppose the first question is how have I done ? Then how could I do better / did I aproach the lighting completely wrong ?

I own speedlights only and use softboxes+reflector.

All comments are welcomed.

Gaz

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From a lighting point of view (which is your question) I think you've done really well, there's nothing that I would have done very differently. The specular hightlights aren't perfect but it's more than fit for purpose and difficult to do better with the gear you have.
From a product shot point of view (which isn't your question), I'm not convinced about the grey background and grey product base, the ruck on the product base, and I woulde have hidden the "I'm a cheap Chinese tripod" label on the bag too, and "Tourism tripod" on the box doesn't enhance its value either - Elemental, my dear Watson) :)
 
From a lighting point of view (which is your question) I think you've done really well, there's nothing that I would have done very differently. The specular hightlights aren't perfect but it's more than fit for purpose and difficult to do better with the gear you have.
From a product shot point of view (which isn't your question), I'm not convinced about the grey background and grey product base, the ruck on the product base, and I woulde have hidden the "I'm a cheap Chinese tripod" label on the bag too, and "Tourism tripod" on the box doesn't enhance its value either - Elemental, my dear Watson) :)
Cheers Garry. Thats great to hear. After all I did learn lots of this stuff from your good self. Yes background is not the best but the best I had. I see what you mean about the other stuff but best to show what it is really when selling.After all I'm not going to get anywhere near what I paid for it.

Thanks for the feedback.

Gaz
 

I would have done things very differently because I have a high end extended
set of tools at arms reach and, with time, I have learned a couple of tricks.
Different for sure as experience thought to play with some bells and whistles.


The "normal/usual" way to set such a shoot would be, as recommended by many,
to use a light grey to white or even some uni coloured background.
Here, you have chosen a rather dark grey! Are you out of your mind?

The "normal/usual" way to set such a shoot would be, as recommended by many,
to use a seamless roll, monochromatic, and not textured background.
Here, you have not chosen the seamless roll! Are you out of your mind?

The "normal/usual" way to set such a shoot would be, as recommended by many,
to make sure that all setup will support your product in being different.
…you have delinquently chosen not to do so! Are you out of your mind?

You are either heading for serious trouble or count on some solid auto critique,
a good set of skills and good insights to even think of kickstarting this project.

You must be out of your mind…however:

In all shots, all specular surfaces are brought to contribution. The higher reflective
surfaces stay under 240/255 and come in 2 widths. On the lower reflective surfaces,
the positioning of the light sources spreads over the critical length and volumes.
These tell me that your auto critique and skills kicked in to good use.

In all shots, the lighting is affecting the product in a way that it is either lighter or
darker than the background, thus assuring separation of the two elements.
These tell me that your auto critique and skills kicked in to good use.

In all shots, despite the limitations imposed by your lack of equipment (light sources,
background, etc.) you were still able to execute some kind of magic to produce a good
quality end result. These tell me that your intuition, auto critique, and skills kicked in to
good use.

TBH, my only nits are the floor covering and the lighter rendition of the fourth shot!
Congratulation for your light work in here!
 

ADDENDUM
The only consequence I see to these shots is to their display size,
avoid small thumbnails. I tested their readability and it is good
down to a 3 inch long side on screen…
The smaller they get the less easy they can be read!
 
I can't comment but I would like to thank @Kodiak Qc for some very informative insight into what to look for.
 

ADDENDUM
The only consequence I see to these shots is to their display size,
avoid small thumbnails. I tested their readability and it is good
down to a 3 inch long side on screen…
The smaller they get the less easy they can be read!

Hi there.

Thanks for the detailed feedback. I know we struggle with working out some of the language barrier but I think I get what you are saying and I take my hat off to you for putting the effort in. At bit techie for me in parts but I think I know what your meaning is, well for the most part :-)
Not sure about the display size do you mean I should upload smaller ? I displayed here at 1000 pixels along widest edge. Let me know a better size.

Gaz
 
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…I know we struggle with working out some of the language barrier but I think I get what you are saying and I take my hat off to you for putting the effort in…
Thanks but this time I took advantage that I was online at the end of a mentoring
session with an lady from the US to help me with the translation and correction.
At bit techie for me
Had to look that one up!
Sorry for that but I use many hours per week to teaching and training and maybe
it sticks on me.

I think I know what your meaning is, well for the most part
If anything is not clear… do not hesitate!
Not sure about the display size do you mean I should upload smaller ?
The size you display here is very pleasant. Should you place thumbnails in a
gallery, for example, at a quite smaller image size, readability will be lessened.
 
Just some small suggestions.

Clone out any lint/dust particles, studio lighting tends to make them stick out like little boulders dotted around your product and it's very easy to do on areas like the surface you have the product resting on. It's worth smoothing out the surface material as it distracts when it snags around the Tripod leg etc.

As Gary says the Tourism Tripod bit on the box actually hurts it, including a shot of the box is I think the correct one (prospective buyers will pay more if they know they're getting original packaging) but you should have focused on the sides with the diagrams as they make the product look more attractive.

The fourth photo is a good choice, you want to show off all the items that are included when you're trying to sell something but would have been improved if you'd turned the cardboard box around as mentioned in the previous point.

The third photo is fairly redundant when you have the exact same angle shot in the fourth, it may have been better to have a different angle in the third photo showing off more of the main product (I'm inclined to think most of us naturally expect to see a top down angle as that's how we see these products most of the time in person) and it may also benefit from having some close up shots of different parts of the Tripod, buyers are going to be concerned with elements like the Tripod head, how clean the feet and leg locks are (they show off how heavily used the item is and as it looks clean you want to show off these parts).

While it's hit and miss at times (especially with Chinese brands) it can be helpful to take a look at the composition the company itself used to sell its product for some pointers.
 
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While it's hit and miss at times (especially with Chinese brands) it can be helpful to take a look at the composition the company itself used to sell its product for some pointers.

Hi Simon.
Some great pointers I like the one quoted very much. Yes I will do some cloning and straighten that covering out.Maybe just use a couple of the photos.Yes the diagram side would have looked better in retrospect.

Thanks again.
Gaz
 
Can't help because you're WAY ahead of me in skill levels, but I have a cheeky request, is there any chance of a pull back shot so I can understand your setup please?
 
Can't help because you're WAY ahead of me in skill levels, but I have a cheeky request, is there any chance of a pull back shot so I can understand your setup please?
Yes Jeff no problem.As for once I did take a pull back. In an attempt to learn and remember for next time plus it is easier when asking for help on here if you can show how and where you placed the lights.

Gaz

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For the images 1 and 2 in my original post I just had the overhead box and a bare speedlight with an home made grid on it placed where the other softbox is.
Hope this helps and maybe the other posters can add further help where needed.

Gaz
 
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I don't own a seamless roll but do have the supports for one as I bought them a while back and never used them (bargain off Ebay)
That said I do have a roll of Wallpaper backing I couldnt find it yesterday but did this afternoon so I had another go before putting the stuff away.
Are these better ?

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Though you correctly exposed the background, I still prefer the first
darker version as it has more class IMO (except the base material).

The first take of the second version would be perfect for thumbnails.
The third shows well that it was never used as the feet are clean.
 
they're awesome Gaz, kudos for the use of the wallpaper!
Hi Craig. Thanks for that. I have had that roll for yonks I didnt know they did linning paper that was white.It as a fine leather type of texture close up too.Cheap for faffing around like this. I really should get a roll of paper though but as you know I only play at this. That said it is addictive even if it's just for fun.

Much better
Thanks Robert.


Though you correctly exposed the background, I still prefer the first
darker version as it has more class IMO (except the base material).

The first take of the second version would be perfect for thumbnails.
The third shows well that it was never used as the feet are clean.
Cheers I agree about the darker version.
Thanks for calling back into the thread.

Gaz
 
The overall effect is better, you took on board the comments that I made about the background and base material, and these points were then repeated by other people, and because of this the shots now look cleaner and the product looks more attractive.

But the lighting - which was your original question - is virtually unchanged and, if I wanted to be picky I would say that it was a bit better in your original version, because the lighting angles were a bit better, not that it matters because you've gone about lighting it in the right way and your lighting is streets ahead of most lighting on Ebay and in fact is better than that of some of our own competitors who are selling lighting:)
Take a closer look at your "STEP BACK" shot. The overhead softbox is positioned perfectly.
The softbox on the right isn't, it's too small (which you can't do anything about) but it is also
a. much too far away
b. At the wrong angle - it should be angled to match the angle of the legs.
Having it closer would have created much larger diffused specular highlights on the legs and having it at the right angle would have created much more evenly sized specular highlights. Correcting both of these errors would have made the product look much more luxurious.

Now look at the reflector on the left.What you actually need here is a second softbox, because a reflector cannot possibly create the same intensity of light that is created by an actual light. But, if you placed it much closer then the lighting intensity would have much more closely matched that of the light, and the diffused specular highlights from the reflector would have matched those of the softbox far more closely. Now look at the reflector again, and you will see that it is at completely the wrong angle, it should have been tilted to match the angle of the legs, in fact it is tilted the opposite way!

These comments are NOT intended to be negative, as I keep saying, you've done a very good job.
At the moment, Lencarta is launching a new lighting video and tutorial every Monday, and tomorrow's one will be on lighting a flash head which, if you think about it, is just like a big fat tripod leg. You'll see from this that I've used equipment that you simply haven't got, although there is a simple workaround, but more importantly I've placed my softboxes at a better angle and much closer. And then, the following Monday (30th November) there will be part 2 of that tutorial, which again uses exactly the same principles and in fact the only real difference is that part 1 lights the sides and one end and part 2, at a different angle, lights the sides and the other end - details change, lighting principles don't.
 
The softbox on the right isn't, it's too small (which you can't do anything about) but it is also
a. much too far away
b. At the wrong angle - it should be angled to match the angle of the legs.
Having it closer would have created much larger diffused specular highlights on the legs and having it at the right angle would have created much more evenly sized specular highlights. Correcting both of these errors would have made the product look much more luxurious.

Now look at the reflector on the left.What you actually need here is a second softbox, because a reflector cannot possibly create the same intensity of light that is created by an actual light. But, if you placed it much closer then the lighting intensity would have much more closely matched that of the light, and the diffused specular highlights from the reflector would have matched those of the softbox far more closely. Now look at the reflector again, and you will see that it is at completely the wrong angle, it should have been tilted to match the angle of the legs, in fact it is tilted the opposite way!
Hi Garry this is fab advice I can see what you mean I didnt think of the angle of the side box.At one point I did place it face on as a bit too much light was hitting the base but I can see what you mean.Re the reflector, it seems obvious now you have pointed it out that it should have been tilted forwards matching the fall of the legs.

I do not take them as negatives I am very happy that you think I have made progress at this. I think it was a wise choice to take a pull back as you have been able to see what I was doing and therefore able to put me right. I did watch the last video update and will watch out for the next.

Thanks for your time with this .

Gaz
 
Not sure wether the pictures worked or if I just gave it away but I accepted a buy it now after listing last night.
Thanks again for everyones help with this.

Gaz

"Might buy myself a roll of paper now"
 
Did you go with the white or black when selling it?

Hi Simon

I went with the 3 white and the one dark image which showed box bag and tripod.


Many thanks for the advice given.

Gaz
 
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