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Ok so got my new D5100 with the 18-85mm VR kit lens...

Pictures are great at close to middle range but when i found a spider i liked the look of i hit a problem.

I couldnt get in close enough to get the level of detail that you see in the Macro forum, the AF simply wouldnt focus at that range and manual focus gave no joy either....

Is this the lens?

cheers
 
Yes. You need a dedicated macro lens or macro extension tubes like the raynox ones.
 
would the extension tubes enable my lens to focus in at that range?

cheers
 
Yes, you can get macro filters on ebay for about £10 if you want a cheap 'fix',but detail and quality won't be anything close to what you get which a macro lens. I'm using filters at the moment (until I can afford a macro lens),the focal point is small with the filters, but the effect can be quite pleasing. I'll see if I can work out how to post some photos.
 
if you could post some pics that would be great :)

and maybe a link to a filter that would fit my lens??

cheers
 
Is it a kit lens? Probably a 52mm diameter, but best to check by looking at the bottom of the lens cap, I can pull up an ebay link for you then.
 
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would the extension tubes enable my lens to focus in at that range?

cheers

You could use extension tubes or add-on close-up lenses.

I don't use extension tubes, but as I understand it you fit them between your camera and your lens. I believe you need compatible ones to retain autofocus and autoexposure. That said, a lot of/most people don't care much about autofocus for macro work as they either use manual focus in the usual way, or set the focus to infinity (or whatever) and then rock the camera back and forth until the picture comes into focus. Autoexposure is worth retaining though I would have thought.

I do use close-up lenses, three of them. They work best on zoom lenses with a longer focal length than your 18-55mm, but they do work to some extent with shorter focal length zooms like yours. For example, this was taken with one of my close-up lenses on a micro four thirds 14-42mm zoom, at 42mm, which is 84mm in 35mm equivalent terms.


0371 22 2011_08_14 P1000497 PS1 CrThrLeDf4x30LebCu900hSS32x0.3 by gardenersassistant, on Flickr

By "to some extent" I mean that if you use a close-up lens on a short focal length zoom like yours then at the wide end you will probably get quite serious vignetting, so you will probably only be able to use the longer end.

You can use "filter sets", which are really inexpensive, for example see http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=close-up+filter+set&x=0&y=0

The set has filters with several different magnifications, and you can use more than one at a time to get different magnifications. However, these inexpensive filters are single pieces of glass and tend to be prone to chromatic aberration, and especially when you use more than one at a time the results may not be entirely crisp or sharp.

Add-on close-up lenses known as "achromatic" lenses have two or more layers of glass so as to reduce the chromatic aberration. They can produce fairly crisp and sharp results. They are more expensive than filters.

I use the Raynox 250 and Raynox 150 filters, which are quite popular. They each cost around £40. I also use the Canon 500D close-up lens. This costs about twice as much.

The Raynox 150 and 250 come with a universal adaptor which will clip onto any lens with a filter thread of between 52mm and 67mm. I use step rings and screw the Raynoxes (and the Canon 500D) onto the filter thread of my 45-200mm lens.

The amount of magnification you get depends on what close-up lens you are using. Of these three, the Raynox 250 is the most powerful, the Canon 500D the least powerful, and the Raynox 150 is in the middle. I use the 500D mainly for small flowers and the Raynox 150 mainly for flies, bees and similar sized animals. I use the Raynox 250 for really small flies and other little things, including sometimes dewdrops.

The more powerful the close-up lens, the more difficult it is to use, for several reasons. (This post is probably already too long, but if you are interested I will say a bit more about this and perhaps some other practical issues too.)

Most people who are into macros seem to prefer rather smaller things than I do and prefer to use the Raynox 250 (and sometimes even more powerful add-on close-up lenses), which lets them take pictures which concentrate on fly's eyes, spiders' mouth parts and the like.

With my 45-200mm lens the Raynox 250 gives me images that cover a scene between 11mm and 50mm across, depending on the amount of zoom I use. With the same lens, the Raynox 150 covers scenes between 19mm and 83mm, and the Canon 500D covers scenes between 45mm and 200mm.

Many/most people who are into macros use flash to illuminate their subjects, and they typically diffuse the flash with a home-made diffuser. If you don't use flash it can be difficult to get enough light on to the subject, especially at higher magnifications.
 
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I couldn't really recommend using close up lenses on large diameter filter lenses - they do work fine on kit lenses like yours but if you have a lens with a filter size of say 72mm I definitely wouldn't recommend them above 1 dioptre.

Raynox close up lenses are slightly better because they have more elements than the cheap e-bay close up lenses, but on the other hand do cost more.

However I have got some very good results using just the cheaper close up lenses on my 350D and kit lens:

Taken on a 350D and kit lens fitted with a +10 dioptre lens.
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Taken on a 350D and kit lens fitted with a +4 dioptre lens.
11042.jpg

Both the close up lenses were the ebay cheapo sets (+1 to +10 dioptres).

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you can acheive this magnification with extension tubes together with a macro filter

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that is an ordinary house fly.
i can't afford a macro lens but i cobbled this picture together for less than £20
 
are there any nikon close up equivalent lens for canon 500d lens
 
I couldn't really recommend using close up lenses on large diameter filter lenses - they do work fine on kit lenses like yours but if you have a lens with a filter size of say 72mm I definitely wouldn't recommend them above 1 dioptre.

Raynox close up lenses are slightly better because they have more elements than the cheap e-bay close up lenses, but on the other hand do cost more.

However I have got some very good results using just the cheaper close up lenses on my 350D and kit lens:

Taken on a 350D and kit lens fitted with a +10 dioptre lens.
11191.jpg

Taken on a 350D and kit lens fitted with a +4 dioptre lens.
11042.jpg

Both the close up lenses were the ebay cheapo sets (+1 to +10 dioptres).

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these look amazing for cheapo lens.Did you crop the photo?.
 
are there any nikon close up equivalent lens for canon 500d lens

You can put a Canon 500D on a lens of a suitable size on any camera. For example, I use a 58mm Canon 500D lens on a Panasonic G3 45-200mm zoom lens, which has a 52mm thread (I use step up rings). However, do take note of petersmart's warning about putting close-up lenses on to camera lenses with a large diameter thread.

Similarly you can use the more powerful Raynox 150 and still more powerful again Raynox 250 on any lens of a suitable size.

The 500D is relatively expensive as these things go. It comes in various sizes, with prices like these (the following prices are taken from Amazon uk):

52 mm £65
58 mm £82
72 mm £96
77 mm £140

The Raynox lenses are less expensive (but a bit more difficult to use, especially the 250, and the "one size fits all" adaptor that comes with them will only fit on to filters of 52mm to 67mm. You could use step rings to move outside that range but again note petersmart's warning about doing this on larger diameter lenses.)

Raynox 150 £41
Raynox 250 £43
 
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