Leica M11 & Godox Xproii L

[Jammy Dodger]

For the information of others; I have a Leica M11, Godox V860iiiN speedlight + Godox Xproii Leica trigger and the TTL flash or HSS does not work - a little disappointing

(All firmware is the latest)

 

[Phil V]

Is the Leica supposed to use Nikon flash protocols?

Asking as I have no idea

I seem to have missed the Leica bit on the trigger description

 

[PJH99]

For the information of others; I have a Leica M11, Godox V860iiiN speedlight + Godox Xproii Leica trigger and the TTL flash or HSS does not work - a little disappointing

(All firmware is the latest)

thanks for this, there’s such little info regarding compatibility with M system

 

[Faldrax]

Is the Leica supposed to use Nikon flash protocols?

Asking as I have no idea

I thought that part didn't matter - provided the on-camera trigger is the correct one for the camera, any brand fit of Godox Flash / Strobe should then work fully with it?

 

[Jammy Dodger]

Is the Leica supposed to use Nikon flash protocols?

Asking as I have no idea

I seem to have missed the Leica bit on the trigger description

Hi Phil, the Leica & Nikon flash have identical 'pin out' locations but their protocols & functions are different.

The Leica trigger works with any of the V860 flashlights on the SL camera Q2 & M10 but not on M11.

I think it must be to do with how the M11 holds the shutter open all the time for metering.

You get the TTL pre flash but then a very weak main flash.

 

[DemiLion]

I thought that part didn't matter - provided the on-camera trigger is the correct one for the camera, any brand fit of Godox Flash / Strobe should then work fully with it?

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With manual, yes. But not with proprietary TTL and HSS systems.

 

[Faldrax]

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With manual, yes. But not with proprietary TTL and HSS systems.

I thought this was one of the advantages of Godox - my understanding was that the camera brand specific trigger decoded the camera brand specific flash protocols, and converted them to a common 'Godox' protocol, which it then transmitted to the Godox receiver (usually built in). The decoding of the individual camera brand TTL or HSS protocols is done in the trigger - which has to be brand specific, and allows the receivers to be generic.
So a Nikon fit trigger can (for example) fire a Nikon fit Godox flash, a generic unit (EG AD-200) or a cross brand fit Godox Flash (EG Canon fit Godox Flash).
What you cannot do is use a cross brand trigger - so a Nikon fit trigger will either not fire, or give manual only, if used on anything other than a Nikon camera.

Note: I may be mistaken in this - it's not something I've personally tried, but I am reasonably sure that this was the case, and it's been said a number of times.

 

[Phil V]

I thought that part didn't matter - provided the on-camera trigger is the correct one for the camera, any brand fit of Godox Flash / Strobe should then work fully with it?

I hadn’t read properly first time.

 

[Jammy Dodger]

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With manual, yes. But not with proprietary TTL and HSS systems.

The flash doesn't matter in any mode - the flash shows Leica on the info screen when it's connected to the Leica trigger.

Godox do not make a Leica compatible flash yet they have firmware for all the latest flashes so the Leica trigger works with them.

Like I say; works with other Leica cameras BUT NOT the M11.

 

[Jammy Dodger]

I thought this was one of the advantages of Godox - my understanding was that the camera brand specific trigger decoded the camera brand specific flash protocols, and converted them to a common 'Godox' protocol, which it then transmitted to the Godox receiver (usually built in). The decoding of the individual camera brand TTL or HSS protocols is done in the trigger - which has to be brand specific, and allows the receivers to be generic.
So a Nikon fit trigger can (for example) fire a Nikon fit Godox flash, a generic unit (EG AD-200) or a cross brand fit Godox Flash (EG Canon fit Godox Flash).
What you cannot do is use a cross brand trigger - so a Nikon fit trigger will either not fire, or give manual only, if used on anything other than a Nikon camera.

Note: I may be mistaken in this - it's not something I've personally tried, but I am reasonably sure that this was the case, and it's been said a number of times.

This is exactly right and better explained than me

 

[Faldrax]

The flash doesn't matter in any mode - the flash shows Leica on the info screen when it's connected to the Leica trigger.

Godox do not make a Leica compatible flash yet they have firmware for all the latest flashes so the Leica trigger works with them.

Like I say; works with other Leica cameras BUT NOT the M11.

I had a look on the Leica website, if you look for accessories, the M10 has a link to some Leica flash units - but the link is not there for the M11 it may just be a website omission, or they may have changed the protocols for it, and not told anyone.

 

[Jammy Dodger]

I had a look on the Leica website, if you look for accessories, the M10 has a link to some Leica flash units - but the link is not there for the M11 it may just be a website omission, or they may have changed the protocols for it, and not told anyone.

My Leica SF24D works fine with the M11 so it's very strange!

 

[Scooter]

I thought this was one of the advantages of Godox - my understanding was that the camera brand specific trigger decoded the camera brand specific flash protocols, and converted them to a common 'Godox' protocol, which it then transmitted to the Godox receiver (usually built in). The decoding of the individual camera brand TTL or HSS protocols is done in the trigger - which has to be brand specific, and allows the receivers to be generic.
So a Nikon fit trigger can (for example) fire a Nikon fit Godox flash, a generic unit (EG AD-200) or a cross brand fit Godox Flash (EG Canon fit Godox Flash).
What you cannot do is use a cross brand trigger - so a Nikon fit trigger will either not fire, or give manual only, if used on anything other than a Nikon camera.

Note: I may be mistaken in this - it's not something I've personally tried, but I am reasonably sure that this was the case, and it's been said a number of times.

You have it exactly right. I run a lot of workshops and 1:1 tutorials and my Godox triggers for Nikon work just fine on many other cameras for manual flash.

It seems Godox do have a few gremlins to work out on the Leica versions of the trigger though

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ao5bTCUKXE
(see 4:00)

 

[DemiLion]

You have it exactly right. I run a lot of workshops and 1:1 tutorials and my Godox triggers for Nikon work just fine on many other cameras for manual flash.

That isn't what he has said.

 

[Scooter]

That isn't what he has said.

"So a Nikon fit trigger can (for example) fire a Nikon fit Godox flash, a generic unit (EG AD-200) or a cross brand fit Godox Flash (EG Canon fit Godox Flash)."

Looks like it to me. This is exactly how they work.

and this bit
"What you cannot do is use a cross brand trigger - so a Nikon fit trigger will either not fire, or give manual only, if used on anything other than a Nikon camera"

Also correct. My Nikon-aligned Godox X-Pro triggers will work on any camera with a centre firing contact in the hot-shoe (manual only).