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Right then... My sisters offered me a 7d, OR, I can use the money to get a MF camera and new scanner.
Looking at a budget of 500, including scanner, so I'm after ideas for MF SLRs in budget.
Options I've seen so far is an rb67, etrs of some variety and mamiya super.
Thoughts on any/all of the above?

Many thanks
 
Easy - but I'm hopelessly biased.

My entire MF kit, including scanner, comes to just about £500. Or it did before I just bought a 200mm lens, so I won't include that.

Bronica SQ-B, speedgrip, spare back, 80mm, 50mm and 40mm lenses, Epson V500 scanner.
 
A good idea would be to play with other guys cameras at a T&C meet if you can.....but you can't go wrong with the RB or Etrsi for starters for your choice.
 
Where on earth did you find that for that price? I've been looking on fleabay at buy it now lots
 
Me?

Mostly off e-bay or Cameraworld.

They do come up at sensible prices.
 
Where on earth did you find that for that price? I've been looking on fleabay at buy it now lots

Keep your eye on Preloved.co.uk and Gumtree as well. I picked up my Epson scanner for £5 on Preloved and have found good deals on light meters as well.

That said, if you're planning to shoot colour film, I'd personally skip the scanner and save the money for sending the film off to a good lab. It costs me about 33p more per image to send my film to UKFL, which is worth it for the time saved scanning, editing, and dust spotting alone. When you compare their results versus mine, it's a no brainer for me.

If you're planning to shoot mostly black and white, then I think home development and scanning makes more sense.
 
Mostly it'll be black n white as I'm quite happy devving that, with the odd roll of other stuff I'll outsource for developing.
 
Are you in some kinda quandary of economics, cos digital will win hands down if that's the main consideration.

It seems odd to me, that the choice is not between film cameras, and not between digital cameras.

I've got £500 to spend on an RB or a GS1......now that's a simple pro and con job, but digital v film is more dependent on other factors particular to you that we aren't privy to.

I see MF film as an alternative rather than a replacement, so if its an either/or, the alternative is much more engaging :)
 
I've got a 40d which is perfectly capable of doing what I want, so the 7d is a nice upgrade instead of a need, if you see what I mean.
My current scanner only does 35mm, so if I want to shoot MF, it'll need replacing.
I've got a lubitel 166b, but I want an SLR with a wlf.
Realistically I'm looking to find out, from those with experience in such things, what sort of kit I can get with my budget, so I can make an informed choice of which way to go.
 
Realistically I'm looking to find out, from those with experience in such things, what sort of kit I can get with my budget, so I can make an informed choice of which way to go.

You can do quite a bit with £500. Bronica, Mamiya, and Pentax each have several SLRs to choose from that will easily fall into your price range and leave you cash to spare for a scanner. You've already narrowed it down a bit by saying that you want an SLR and waist level finder, now you need to decide what format (e.g., 6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, etc.) and then what other features are important (e.g., leaf versus focal plane shutter, bellows versus non-bellows, mechanical versus electronic, etc.) and you'll really have it narrowed down.
 
6x7 is nearly square so I don't think you mind what the format is.
There's not getting away from RB's and SQ's, they're good value for money.

Bladd is all about kudos or Zeiss, if its Zeiss you have to be mindful of the cost of it.

645 is more convenient to print, so that's an ETRs or Mamiya 645, they're all good stuff and potentially within budget, choosing a format narrows it down a bit.

RF's don't have WLF

I've always fancied a go with a Pentacon 6, Rollei is too expensive as is Exacta 66

Pentax 67 ??
 
Whereabouts in Devon are you?.... I have a Mamiya RB67 you could have a go with...
 
I'm up in Bideford mate, very kind of you to offer.
I've spotted an rb67 with 50mm lens and a 120 & a 220 back for just shy of 200, which is a rather enticing price I have to admit
 
I seen that one, its an older uncoated 50mm and the 220 back is virtually useless so budget for another back and a normal lenses, also my 50mm C flares at the drop of a hat so I'm not sure how bad the earlier 50mm will be.
 
Good to know, thanks *unwatches*
I've been thinking about format and my only thought for having a 6x6 is that other formats might be tricky for portraits, which I suspect isn't really a good reason to exclude the other sizes
 
Portraits on the RB are simple you just rotate the back, mine spends a great deal of its life in portrait configuration. I've never got the hang of square portraits but others have and produce some fantastic work. I've never used a 645 but someone will be better able to advise on its utility for portraits, though again I seriously doubt its a problem.
 
I seen that one, its an older uncoated 50mm and the 220 back is virtually useless so budget for another back and a normal lenses, also my 50mm C flares at the drop of a hat so I'm not sure how bad the earlier 50mm will be.

220 isn't necessarily useless—yet. I've picked up over 50 rolls of it over the last year at prices cheaper than most rolls of 120, including nine rolls of Portra 400NC at £1 per roll last month. I've got about 40 rolls at the moment; I save them for times where I need to travel as light as possible or where reloading often just isn't as feasible.

That all said, the selection of films obtainable in 220 is quite limited and it's mostly only colour negative and transparency emulsions that are available.

Good to know, thanks *unwatches*
I've been thinking about format and my only thought for having a 6x6 is that other formats might be tricky for portraits, which I suspect isn't really a good reason to exclude the other sizes

Well, it's the reason that I exclude 6x4.5cm and it is a serious consideration. You're basically limited to using prism finders if you want a vertically-oriented photograph in this format, although some systems, such as the Bronica ETR series, have a rotating prism finder available, which might make things easier.

Obviously the 6x6cm cameras don't require any rotation, which makes them a dream to use on tripods and very easy to use with waist level finders. Many of the 6x6cm SLRs, such as the Bronica SQ series and Hasselblads, will also have the option of 6x4.5cm backs on their 6x6cm cameras as well.

A few of the 6x7 cameras have rotating backs, which will make it easy to shoot in portrait orientation. Many of the 6x7 system cameras will also have 6x4.5cm and 6x6cm backs available too, giving you even more options.
 
I seen that one, its an older uncoated 50mm and the 220 back is virtually useless so budget for another back and a normal lenses, also my 50mm C flares at the drop of a hat so I'm not sure how bad the earlier 50mm will be.

What do you think of the 50mm C? I saw one on West Yorkshire Cameras earlier and had been considering it as I currently only have the 127mm C and find it's a bit too long.
 
I'm up in Bideford mate, very kind of you to offer.
I've spotted an rb67 with 50mm lens and a 120 & a 220 back for just shy of 200, which is a rather enticing price I have to admit

I'm thinking of selling my RB, so that's why I asked.... just never got round to putting it in the classifieds....
I have 2 lenses, a 90mm and 180mm and 2 backs with mine....
This is a pic of it
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What do you think of the 50mm C? I saw one on West Yorkshire Cameras earlier and had been considering it as I currently only have the 127mm C and find it's a bit too long.

Its fine, internet chatter will tell you its not the sharpest lens in the line up but I've not noticed any softness about it. I don't use it very often because it is very wide and tend to find the 65mm easier to work with. My one is very prone to flare but I don't use a hood and it might just be a bad example.

Some samples, I'm sure I've shot it more just not tagged correctly.
https://www.flickr.com/search/?w=49248828@N06&q=Rb67 50mm
 
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I'm thinking of selling my RB, so that's why I asked.... just never got round to putting it in the classifieds....
I have 2 lenses, a 90mm and 180mm and 2 backs with mine....
This is a pic of it
1465301_10202527775184790_1853770553_n.jpg

Interesting. Think I'll be keeping my eye out for that, if you do sell it
 
Its fine, internet chatter will tell you its not the sharpest lens in the line up but I've not noticed any softness about it. I don't use it very often because it is very wide and tend to find the 65mm easier to work with. My one is very prone to flare but I don't use a hood and it might just be a bad example.

Some samples, I'm sure I've shot it more just not tagged correctly.
https://www.flickr.com/search/?w=49248828@N06&q=Rb67 50mm

Yeah it being really wide is the main reason I haven't bought it yet I think. When I started shooting film with longer fixed lenses I noticed a big improvement with my photos and I'm hesitant about going back to a wide angle. Although your Flickr photos are great and make me want the 50mm more!

Think I'll aim for something in the 75-90mm range :)
 
Yeah it being really wide is the main reason I haven't bought it yet I think. When I started shooting film with longer fixed lenses I noticed a big improvement with my photos and I'm hesitant about going back to a wide angle. Although your Flickr photos are great and make me want the 50mm more!

Think I'll aim for something in the 75-90mm range :)

I know what you mean, for me the 65mm is my lazy lens it doesn't really need focused most of the time and gets enough in that I can crop but isn't too hard to compose out extraneous stuff. The 50mm I find I need a shot in mind for to take it out as its quite hard to get a good composition sometimes.

The RB system has two "normal" lenses the 90mm and the 127mm I never got on with the 90mm too wide to be normal and too tight to be a WA but I do like the 127mm as it can be pressed into service for portraits and for general purpose. Sounds like the 90mm is what you need, its quite cheap as they're plentiful so pick a good one.
 
The RB system has two "normal" lenses the 90mm and the 127mm I never got on with the 90mm too wide to be normal and too tight to be a WA but I do like the 127mm as it can be pressed into service for portraits and for general purpose. Sounds like the 90mm is what you need, its quite cheap as they're plentiful so pick a good one.

I find this really hard to understand, given that 6*6 systems seem to have "normal" lenses of 75mm or 80mm, 90 and 127 seem like they might be rather long. Google tells me that sqrt(60**2+60**2) is 84.85mm (ie the diagonal of a 60mm square, the common measurement for a "normal" lens), whereas sqrt(60**2+70**2) is 92.2mm. Where have I gone wrong?
 
I find this really hard to understand, given that 6*6 systems seem to have "normal" lenses of 75mm or 80mm, 90 and 127 seem like they might be rather long. Google tells me that sqrt(60**2+60**2) is 84.85mm (ie the diagonal of a 60mm square, the common measurement for a "normal" lens), whereas sqrt(60**2+70**2) is 92.2mm. Where have I gone wrong?

I don't understand what doesn't add up? Your figure comes to 92.2mm for 6x7 and one of the 'normal' lenses for the RB67 is 90mm (approximately 45mm equivalent in 135 terms), so that is spot on.

The 127mm is a slightly-longer-than-normal lens for 6x7 (approximately 63.5 in 135), but many 6x6cm systems have similar lenses as well (e.g., 105mm for Bronica SQ and 100mm for Hasselblad).
 
Yes, the 90 seemed about right, it was the 127 as a normal lens I was having trouble with. Both the 66 normals are less than the diagonal... I guess, since I've just started using a 40mm lens on 135 as a walkaround lens, and quite often use my 85mm for the same purpose, I shouldn't be surprised. It just seemed a fairly elastic range for normal.
 
127 is a short tele on 6x7 really

huh......teles on MF don't hardly go anywhere anyway compared with 35mm, I've got a 250 f4 for Veronica and it doesn't get you anywhere near where you think you ought to be, close focus is a bit rubbish with that lens too...
 
Yes, the 90 seemed about right, it was the 127 as a normal lens I was having trouble with. Both the 66 normals are less than the diagonal... I guess, since I've just started using a 40mm lens on 135 as a walkaround lens, and quite often use my 85mm for the same purpose, I shouldn't be surprised. It just seemed a fairly elastic range for normal.

Normal is probably a bit of a stretch but it is the other standard I think by quirk of heritage. The RB's predecessor was a 4x5 press camera.
 
Yeah, so... I went for the medium format instead and, having heard of Lee's experience with a 7d, I'm glad I chose that route instead.
Now... need to do some weightlifting to prepare for a trip to town :lol:
 
Yeah, so... I went for the medium format instead and, having heard of Lee's experience with a 7d, I'm glad I chose that route instead.
Now... need to do some weightlifting to prepare for a trip to town :LOL:

Good choice with the RB :) Now hurry up and take some photos with it so we can all see :D
 
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