Just what were they thinking ?

She should be messed about and inconvenienced, when will folks learn it's not ok to park on the path, even with your hazard lights on.
 
To be honest, sounds like one hell of a creepy copper.
"I've chosen to deal with it in this way". WTF?
 
mikew said:
She should be messed about and inconvenienced, when will folks learn it's not ok to park on the path, even with your hazard lights on.
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It might not be "ok", but unless you're in London it's not illegal.
Maybe if that were addressed, attitudes would change.
 
viv1969 said:
It might not be "ok", but unless you're in London it's not illegal.
Maybe if that were addressed, attitudes would change.
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It also makes a mockery of these police cuts... if they still have time to visit people who have parked legally but inconsideratly then they have enough bobbies!!!
 
cambsno said:
It also makes a mockery of these police cuts... if they still have time to visit people who have parked legally but inconsideratly then they have enough bobbies!!!
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My money's still on creepy stalky rozzer.
 
cambsno said:
It also makes a mockery of these police cuts... if they still have time to visit people who have parked legally but inconsideratly then they have enough bobbies!!!
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(1) Parking on the pavement is illegal despite what others say.
(2) If someone contacts the Police making a complaint about the parking it goes on a live incident list and is graded by it's severity.
(3) The 'offender' is traceable due to the vehicle reg.
(4)The incident has to be dealt with.
(5)Probably the soonest a resource was free that night to deal with it.
(6) How are the Police to know she is a single female living on her own and what difference should that make?
(7) It is due to the lack of Police numbers that this type of incident will become more frequent - the middle of the night there are less incidents to deal with.

She thinks it's OK to inconvenience others by her parking but god forbid anyone who inconveniences her for her bad parking.
She was given verbal advice rather than prosecuted.
 
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Fraser Euan White said:
(1) Parking on the pavement is illegal despite what others say.
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Nope, this statement is incorrect.
There is no legislation to prevent parking on the pavement outside of London.
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/legal/parking-on-the-pavement/

Knocking people up out of bed in the middle of the night is simply not right for such a minor incident, assuming someone complained.
I'd expect the officer involved will get a slap on the wrist and hopefully some guidance on abuse of power.
 
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From the Highway Code

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You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.
Law GL(GP)A sect 15
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Parking on the pavement anywhere in the UK can commit an offence, as the Highway code 'hints' at.

As with anything in the press we don't know the full details but it is sensationalised to make a story to fit in with the current trend of 'Police Bashing' in the media.
 
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I commend his attitude. If we had more action like that, we might have less cr@p parking .

I was driving down a local road recently, and some complete idiot had parked opposite a pedestrian island! It was impossible to pass without going on the wrong side of the island. I'd have liked them to receive a 1.30am knock on the door.
 
viv1969 said:
Wrong again. (Outside of London)
It's getting to be a habit.
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For you - yes it is!!

I suggest you get your legal advise from elsewhere - it might stop you looking like a 'Bat-Frog'!
 
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Fraser Euan White said:
For you - yes it is!!

I suggest you get your legal advise from elsewhere - it might stop you looking like a 'Bat-Frog'!
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Thanks for the advice, officer, but I don't need to. :-)
 
viv1969 said:
Thanks for the advice, officer, but I don't need to. :)
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You really do need to!

Try this:
Section 137 Highways Act
Section 42 Road Traffic Act
Section 22 Road Traffic Act

Or more commonly know as causing an unnecessary/wilful obstruction.

Case law shows that :
Road:
A road has been held in case law to include pavements and boundary grass verges.

from here:
https://www.proaktive.co.uk/blog/what-is-a-road/

It is one of the most common complaints received by the Police.

P.S. @viv1969 - can you remind me where else I have made a habit of being wrong or will this go down as another instance of being wrong?
 
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Yes, causing an obstruction is an offence...I've never argued otherwise.
The act of parking on the pavement (or verge) isn't.
If it were, the ensuing income from FPNs would put income from speeding cameras to shame. :lol:
 
viv1969 said:
Yes, causing an obstruction is an offence...I've never argued otherwise.
The act of parking on the pavement (or verge) isn't.
If it were, the ensuing income from FPNs would put income from speeding cameras to shame. :LOL:
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I give up - you are making yourself look silly! How many times have you actually been to Court with this offence?
 
Fraser Euan White said:
Unfortunately the internet is full of 'Solicitors' that do not know the law!

Hopefully nothing will happen to the Officer as he has done nothing wrong - if you break the law expect a call at a time that is convenient for the Police not the Offender!
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I'll take the word of the well known motoring organisation RAC over some bloke on an Internet forum.
Parking on a pavement 'could' lead to an offence of causing an obstruction but the act of parking on a pavement is not illegal outside of London.
Many motorists park on the pavement without causing an obstruction.
 
PaulF said:
I'll take the word of the well known motoring organisation RAC over some bloke on an Internet forum.
Parking on a pavement 'could' lead to an offence of causing an obstruction but the act of parking on a pavement is not illegal outside of London.
Many motorists park on the pavement without causing an obstruction.
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Paul - parking on a pavement always causes an unnecessary obstruction - the Offence is committed; whether the Police prosecute is a different matter.

There are defences including:
(1) Being directed by a Police Officer
(2) Parking signs displayed stating you can

amongst others.

There is very rarely specific laws in this country 'naming the offence' but there are other laws that cover it.

e.g. Swearing in public isn't a specific offence but it is covered by the Public Order Act.

From your link to the RAC:

Rule 242 is where it gets a little less clear, stating: "You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road."

This is a must not, again, meaning if your car is reported or seen by a police officer and judged to be either in a dangerous position or causing an unnecessary obstruction of the road, you could receive a Fixed Penalty Notice.
 
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Fraser Euan White said:
Paul - parking on a pavement always causes an unnecessary obstruction - the Offence is committed; whether the Police prosecute is a different matter.

There are defences including:
(1) Being directed by a Police Officer
(2) Parking signs displayed stating you can

amongst others.

There is very rarely specific laws in this country 'naming the offence' but there are other laws that cover it.

e.g. Swearing in public isn't a specific offence but it is covered by the Public Order Act.

From your link to the RAC:

Rule 242 is where it gets a little less clear, stating: "You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road."

This is a must not, again, meaning if your car is reported or seen by a police officer and judged to be either in a dangerous position or causing an unnecessary obstruction of the road, you could receive a Fixed Penalty Notice.
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If you say so, it must be right! As the bit you quoted shows its not clear that parking on a pavement would cause an unnecessary obstruction in every (most) instance so understandably most people interpate that as it is not illegal to park on the pavement as you originally stated.
I know that an awful lot of motorists do so without any issue what so ever, including a lot of police cars.
The more important point in the OP was that the officer chose an unreasonable time to issue some advice, note there was no FPN etc, just a chat.
If anyone else knocked on your door in the middle of the night for a quick chat you'd tell them where to go.
 
PaulF said:
If you say so, it must be right! As the bit you quoted shows its not clear that parking on a pavement would cause an unnecessary obstruction in every (most) instance so understandably most people interpate that as it is not illegal to park on the pavement as you originally stated.
I know that an awful lot of motorists do so without any issue what so ever, including a lot of police cars.
The more important point in the OP was that the officer chose an unreasonable time to issue some advice, note there was no FPN etc, just a chat.
If anyone else knocked on your door in the middle of the night for a quick chat you'd tell them where to go.
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As I originally stated:
(a) if you break the law which this person has done (No ifs, but, maybes no matter what you say; it is up to the Police when to take further action over it; most of the time they do not have the resources to do so unless there has been a complaint)
(b) The Police will call at a time that is convenient for THEM (Not the offender)
(c) The Officer used their discretion - 'I've chosen to deal with it in this way' and has given verbal advice rather than an FPN or summons.

It is annoying when people who break the law think the Police should deal with them at a time it suits them!
 
Fraser Euan White said:
As I originally stated:
(a) if you break the law which this person has done (No ifs, but, maybes no matter what you say; it is up to the Police when to take further action over it; most of the time they do not have the resources to do so unless there has been a complaint)
(b) The Police will call at a time that is convenient for THEM (Not the offender)
(c) The Officer used their discretion - 'I've chosen to deal with it in this way' and has given verbal advice rather than an FPN or summons.

It is annoying when people who break the law think the Police should deal with them at a time it suits them!
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Or the copper could just be being an arse.
 
Cockney said:
Or the copper could just be being an arse.
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If he was being an arse he would have woke her up at that time and issued a £70 fine which he was quite entitled to do.

We don't know the circumstances but lets say:

It was your blind relative that had fallen over and broken a bone due to a car being parked on the pavement, you had to sit all night with them at A & E.

Would you be concerned the Officer had 'spoken with' the Offender at 1.30am?

Or you complained about something to the Police but they 'couldn't be arsed' to deal with it.

It would appear Brian that breaking the law is discretionary and if you decide to do this the Police should only deal with you when it is convenient for you?
 
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Fraser Euan White said:
If he was being an arse he would have woke her up at that time and issued a £70 fine which he was quite entitled to do.

We don't know the circumstances but lets say:

It was your blind relative that had fallen over and broken a bone due to a car being parked on the pavement, you had to sit all night with them at A & E.

Would you be concerned the Officer had 'spoken with' the Offender at 1.30am?

Or you complained about something to the Police but they 'couldn't be arsed' to deal with it.

It would appear Brian that breaking the law is discretionary and if you decide to do this the Police should only deal with you when it is convenient for you?
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You're just being ridiculous. Its disputable whether parking with a wheel on the pavement is an offence. Its certainly almost never enforced as such. I live in a small village and one decent sized SUV parked without wheels on the kerb could quite legitimately block the whole road.
Its the plod who pick and choose when to bother, not me.
 
Cockney said:
Or the copper could just be being an arse.
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Indeed. Plenty of police officers have been suspended or jailed for stalking, and worse.
 
Cockney said:
You're just being ridiculous. Its disputable whether parking with a wheel on the pavement is an offence. NO it isnt't! Its certainly almost never enforced as such. Correct - but if a complaint about it is made to the Police they have to deal with it!
Its the plod who pick and choose when to bother, not me.
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Hopefully yo will never need the assistance of 'Plod'!
 
Cockney said:
Red "ink". Really? You're becoming a parody of yourself.
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It is quite apparent Brian from other threads you consider the Law in the UK as only a guidline that should only be applied when it suits your agenda :rolleyes:

.............and it should never inconvenience you!
 
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All legal arguments aside, I know little of finer legal points, I'm now worried about what colour ink I should use to differentiate between the text of a post and my text in answer to points in that post.

Red seems to be out. Bold perhaps? Seems a bit shouty though.

It's a worry.

:)
 
Fraser Euan White said:
It is quite apparent Brian from other threads you consider the Law in the UK as only a guidline that should only be applied when it suits your agenda :rolleyes:

.............and it should never inconvenience you!
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Now your just making stuff up. Not for the first time it would seem.
But accuse away.
 
Cockney said:
You're just being ridiculous.
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Let me describe how ridiculous I am being:

With 5yrs service I had to deal with a fatal Road Traffic Collision involving a car had parked on a pavement.

The mother couldn't pass this car with her pram so had to walk into the road, the approaching car's view was also obstructed by the parked vehicle and hit the mother pushing the pram

The mother survived but the baby was killed.

I'm pleased you think parking regulations are ridiculous.
 
simon ess said:
All legal arguments aside, I know little of finer legal points, I'm now worried about what colour ink I should use to differentiate between the text of a post and my text in answer to points in that post.

Red seems to be out. Bold perhaps? Seems a bit shouty though.

It's a worry.

:)
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There are only a select few authorised to use red. Choose wisely! ;)
 
Fraser Euan White said:
Let me describe how ridiculous I am being:

With 5yrs service I had to deal with a fatal Road Traffic Collision involving a car had parked on a pavement.

The mother couldn't pass this car with her pram so had to walk into the road, the approaching car's view was also obstructed by the parked vehicle and hit the mother pushing the pram

The mother survived but the baby was killed.

I'm pleased you think parking regulations are ridiculous.
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No. I think its you who are rediculous. Parking regs i can live with.
 
Cockney said:
Now your just making stuff up. Not for the first time it would seem.
But accuse away.
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Errrrrrrrr - the return of a teenager? Again it is the law of this country to return her and investigate but you don't like that one either?
 
Fraser Euan White said:
I'm pleased you think parking regulations are ridiculous.
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That's a sad story Fraser, and I'm sure it would be difficult to deal with.
He said you were being ridiculous, not that the regulations were ridiculous .
The act of parking on the pavement is not illegal, but causing an obstruction is, and parking on the pavement will in a lot of cases cause an obstruction, which is illegal, therefore it's the obstruction that is illegal, not the actual act of parking on the pavement.
You do have a way of "saying" "writing" "implying" etc that winds people up.
 
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