Just been DNA profiled

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Don't know if anyone remembers the Alistair Wilson case from up here a while ago but I happened to be in the town that night getting the Sunday night curry :D Got a letter last week asking me to "volunteer" for testing :suspect: Also got fingerprinted and a rather nice polaroid portrait taken, although when they came out with the number board I was a bit worried :lol:

Now I've got to wait 4 weeks for them to confirm I'm not the suspect :(

More info here
 
does that mean you need to change your picture in your profile to include a number board as well?

Let us know where you need to file and cake delivering to.
 
rwotton said:
does that mean you need to change your picture in your profile to include a number board as well?

Let us know where you need to file and cake delivering to.
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No carrot cake please :D
 
LOL. Poor Doddy. :D

Hope they get the *******(s). DNA profiling is the most exciting thing in crime detection since fingerprints. They've obviously got what they suspect is the culprits DNA. Even if this elimination process doesn't turn him up, if he's arrested for any sort of minor crime where DNA samples are routinely taken at any time in his life he's a dead man walking.
 
InaGlo said:
Good morning inky digits :lol:
... I hear that stuff is a b****r to remove!


Is that the guy who was shot on his own doorstep?
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Aye, that's him Glo, and you're right that stuff is sticky, you should see my nails :lol:

Got to say the WPC in charge made the whole trip worthwhile :naughty:
 
Could you have refused?

How long does your DNA stay on record - I take it forever?
 
evilowl said:
Could you have refused?
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I suppose technically I could have, but what would it have looked like :eek:

evilowl said:
How long does your DNA stay on record - I take it forever?
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Before they did the test you have to sign a form. The options are to have it destroyed immediately after the investigation is completed or it can be held for ever. Bearing in mind this investigation could take years to complete yet I signed for it to be left on record. Didn't see the point in saying to destroy it, if I became involved as a real suspect in anything in the future I don't think they'd have any problem in obtaining a sample :p
 
dod said:
I suppose technically I could have, but what would it have looked like :eek:
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Plus of course you now have a unique avitar :D
 
photomad said:
hope you havent done anything naughty in the past :D :D

coldcase and all that
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I do recall pinching a few apples as a yoof, but nobody will ever know ;)
 
I dont think this DNA thing is bad. I would be happy for mine to be kept on record, it could protect you from wrongful arrest in the future.
I also agree with ID cards etc. Im not likely to commit any crimes so i dont mind. I know there are people who say its against human rights, but is it really?
Dean:)
 
you could be stating a very long thread here.

i have an opinion but i will keep it to myself. like to hear what other people think though
 
I'm in 2 minds about this.
I think we have the right to privacy, and as such there should be no records for a person who has not done anything wrong... then I think well what harm does it do if you have nothing to hide?? and if everyones was on file, crimes would be easier to solve??

On the fence I guess!!
 
Dino f said:
I dont think this DNA thing is bad. I would be happy for mine to be kept on record, it could protect you from wrongful arrest in the future.
I also agree with ID cards etc. Im not likely to commit any crimes so i dont mind. I know there are people who say its against human rights, but is it really?
Dean:)
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Was waiting for something like that ;)

I'm firmly of the view that if you've done nothing wrong the Police can have whatever information they want. I know there have been miscarriages of justice but in percentage terms it must be miniscule. The publicity machine isn't interested in the headline "Police get it right again".
 
Id certainly be in two minds about giving DNA - and I'm a perfectly law abiding citizen. I'd definitely have opted to delete after the investigation if i'd have agreed to do it. Just scares the **** out of me. DNA profiling is so relatively new - how can you be sure mistakes arn't being made now? Being framed for a crime you never committed due to dodgy DNA - and in court DNA is taken as a certainty, you can't argue with it.

Remember that story about the white couple having fertility treatment? ended up with a black baby? someone mixed up the samples at the lab - wouldn't be too much to stretch the imagination to think a similar thing could happen here?
 
I would have asked for it to be destroyed.
When there was a young girl murdered localy years ago the lorry I was driving at the time was the same colour as one seen where her body was dumped, I had someone come around and take all my tachograph charts and fingerprints, they done the same to everyone in the area but we was all asked if we would participate first, but when they eliminated me and others they returned the charts by hand and destroyed the prints in front of me.
 
The actual ID cards I wouldnt object to its the manner in which they are suggestion they would be "voluntary" but you wont be allowed a passport without signing up for one.

Not a problem for me, i'll just get myself an Irish passport as i can be considered an irish national :p
 
ID Cards - is that not the same as the little pink driving licence?

No objections from me either - although we generally carry that much ID - driving licence, credit cards, work pass, etc I don't see the point.

Anth.
 
I've been arrested, swabbed, digitized and boxed accordingly... all against my will and no apology deemed necessary when they let me out without charge half a day later.
I do think it’s an infringement, and my rights did seem totally disregarded, I was offered no choice, my details will be taken, If I'd refuse they have the right to forcefully hold me down take my dna. :eek: ...not the police force that I grew up respecting I can tell you, more of a judge dread kinda feel. More like, your guilty until we/you prove your innocence.

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Is becoming common knowledge that this countries category is being swapped, (bad expression, but hey) it is being re-designed to be the biggest tourist spot on the planet….it’s one of our better exports.

Interesting that is, when you think where also the only modern country who does not have a fully integrated immigration control system, … but we do have the largest amount of CCTV surveillance systems by far. Interestingly this week; the London congestion cameras have just been utilized to provide the police with a permanent feed; in the news yesterday, …and that’s just the start of it I bet you.
We’re also the only country heading towards having the first nation wide DNA database of its population… that’ll be a very useful (profitable) tool in the future.

The writings on the wall I reckon. We will be logged, boxed and categorised …and you know what those categories are like, you’ve all seen the forms, had those questions. Even getting a parking permit to park out side my house I have to tell them my age , religion, and skin colour type, what the heck that has to do with parking … I can only assume bad stuff (I’ve been on the electoral roll for 20 years ffs)

I do think the police need dna profiling to keep on top of crime, but I’m terrified when I think of my sons freedoms being boxed and categorized. In time, insurance companies, mortgage companies, private health service and even everyday employers will have access to peoples data …that means to me, that we will no longer be equals! …bit like your credit report, only it will affect all portions of your freedom less life not just the interest rate you can get on a loan.

Is that progress? … doesn’t sound right to me.

Oh sorry, bit of a rant and I forgot the lol at the end .lol ;)
 
You guys should think a bit wider than criminal applications!:p

Disasters, natural or terro induced, are one good reason for a large DNA database.

Obviously this should not be used for criminal investigation but your statutory constitutional or entrenched common-law principles SHOULD guarantee the innocent individual his or her privacy and all that.:shrug:

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Waheeyyyy, I'm cleared :lol: Need a new avatar now
 
Do they keep a copy of your DNA on record now, or has it been destroyed?
 
Phew. Glad to hear it. Was touch and go for a moment then. I already had someone lined up for your locker :p
 
dod said:
See post 9 :)
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Unfortunately the mere fact that your DNA is on the UK police database means that if you are stopped for any reason by the police anywhere in the EU they will give you a harder time than if you weren't. The reason is that it is assumed that if you are known to the police it's for a very good reason.

Get pulled over by the gendermes in France - expect to be detained longer than you would have been.

Be unfortunate enough to be near the scene of a crime or incident and you will be much higher up the suspect list that you would have been.

It may lead to nothing more than a minor inconvenience, but you never know. Not all police, UK or otherwise, are either competent or honest.
 
Interesting, never heard of external countries having such info at their finger tips, i would imagine an interpol search would be required first.
 
To be honest I think it should be a national, compulsory, database for crime fighting/prevention use only. Where I don't think it should be used or made available is the insurance field.
 
dod said:
To be honest I think it should be a national, compulsory, database for crime fighting/prevention use only. Where I don't think it should be used or made available is the insurance field.
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I quite agree, although the data contained in a DNA profile of this type does not infer any medical diagnoses (at all) that could be of use to an insurance company, or are you thinking about insurance companies from another perspective?
 
sepulchre said:
I quite agree, although the data contained in a DNA profile of this type does not infer any medical diagnoses (at all) that could be of use to an insurance company, or are you thinking about insurance companies from another perspective?
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I was of the understanding that DNA samples could contain information about genetic problems. If you're saying there are different sorts of DNA testing and this particular type has no medical diagnostic component then I really think one of the major emotional arguments against it disappears.
 
The DNA sample taken from you would contain many hundreds of copies of your entire genetic make up, however the testing employed in human identification centres around specific portions of DNA all of which arise from sections of the genome referred to as 'none coding DNA' which as the name implies are not used to make you what you are.

This type of testing shouldn't be confused with genetic testing which can be used to identify genetic abnormalities which may be either life threatening/shortening or passed to your children.

So your understanding of the DNA sample is correct, but the sample itself would not be analysed in any way which could provide a medical diagnoses.
 
dod said:
To be honest I think it should be a national, compulsory, database for crime fighting/prevention use only. Where I don't think it should be used or made available is the insurance field.
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No, no, no, no and no :-)

Sorry, I can see why some would see the benefits of this, but for me it's not about practicality or crime fighting. It's about the fundamental relationship between the individual and the state. The privacy of the individual belongs to the individual - it does not belong to the state. Making compulsory databases shifts this balances - my record belongs to the state, and with the state's blessing only may I be free. This is the reverse of how it should be - the state serves us, and we should be speaking of more open-government and less official secrets, not more state power and less individual privacy.

That speaks only of today. Maybe some trust today's government more than I do - but do you trust every state power and every government ever to come in future? Because your records will be there, as will a record of every car trip you've taken, every city you've walked through, every bus or train journey. The only way to ensure such a horrific intrusion of privacy is never mis-used is never to make it in the first place.

I can hear the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" now :-) I will only listen to such comments from people who have no curtains in their house. If you do - why? Do you have something to hide...? ;-)
 
Moadib said:
If you do - why?
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Keeps the heat in at night, so heating bills are reduced.

Also allows me to black out a room during the day should the sun be shining across my monitor/TV etc.

:p
 
Moadib said:
I will only listen to such comments from people who have no curtains in their house. If you do - why? Do you have something to hide...? ;-)
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Well, the only ones we close are in the bedroom and bathroom; the bedroom ones stop the early morning sun waking me up and the bathroom ones are for your protection, not mine :p

As to the rest, too close to politics, time for me to shut up ;)
 
divine_madness said:
Keeps the heat in at night, so heating bills are reduced.

Also allows me to black out a room during the day should the sun be shining across my monitor/TV etc.

:p
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Right laddie, we've heard all that before. What sort of stuff you looking at on your computer that you need the curtains shut during the day?! I think we'll need to be taking your computer for investigation... :D
 
Aaah! Now I see the reason why you changed your avatar. The DNA test said you were gay! ;)
 
HIMUPNORTH said:
Aaah! Now I see the reason why you changed your avatar. The DNA test said you were gay! ;)
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LOL, it was meant to say "I'm FREEEE!!" :D

Better get a new avatar :lol:
 
I did get the joke George but could not resist.


How about OJ Simpson?


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