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The key is that we are where we are.

Some time ago, cars didn't last 10 years, broke down regularly, didn't do 500 miles for a tank. Some time before that, it was horses, and before that, walking.

So it is fair to plan for a time when cars don't go to filling stations and get between 300 and 500 miles of fuel.

It's change.
yes in 5 years time good EVs will have 400miles be very well priced, very little maintenance , 8 year plus warranties it will be a no brainer for Joe or Brenda average living in superbia
 
yes in 5 years time good EVs will have 400miles be very well priced, very little maintenance , 8 year plus warranties it will be a no brainer for Joe or Brenda average living in superbia

So let's wait until then rather than rushing to buy the shiney new toys that don't yet suit Joe or Brenda's needs.
 
and to be honest, evangelising one sort of car over another is never going to be that successful as we all have different needs and tastes.
 
I know a comment was made on here about the "look" of EV's which I don't really see as an issue, we have a Kia dealer in the village, and their EV's look just the same as their ICE cars. One thing is true though, manufacturers seem to insist on putting really ugly wheels on them!

When we change the wife's car (2011 Mini with less than 35k on the clock) it will probably be for a used small EV. Her commute is less than 10 miles each way, and other than doing a bit of shopping at the supermarket, it rarely gets used. So an EV makes sense to me, the most it's ever going to do is the 110 mile round trip to our son's house in Bristol.
 
Some time ago, cars didn't last 10 years, broke down regularly

When was this?

This is one of my uncle's cars, never misses a beat.

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This is my bro in laws motor, never misses a beat either.

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When was the period when cars only lasted 10 years and broke down all the time?
 
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All I can offer in relation to the longevity of cars I the following:

1966 Ford Anglia pop: rust spots on chrome, otherwise pretty good, but needed a reconditioned engine at 100k miles approx
1966 Sunbeam Stiletto: no rust, but reconditioned engine at circa 100k miles
1973 Ford Capri mark 1 facelift 2000GT: head gasket blew at 120k miles after a hard winter; alternator replaced at 95k miles
1975 Vauxhall Cavalier 1600: engine replaced at 115k miles after many oil pressure problems and replacing oil pump twice.

In other words, until I switched to diesel in 1994, I found my old bangers needed new engines at around 100-120k. I never had any other mechanical problems though to be fair.
 
When was this?

This is one of my uncle's cars, never misses a beat.

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This is my bro in laws motor, never misses a beat either.

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When was the period when cars only lasted 10 years and broke down all the time?
I don't remember that time either. When I started driving the only cars available were already ancient, pre-war designs, uncomfortable, inefficient, poor performance, poor economy and constantly going wrong in the sense that something or other wouldn't work.

But a lot of the problems were down to lack of maintenance, most people couldn't afford garage costs and didn't know as much about DIY car care as they thought they did.

Engines, clutches etc didn't last all that long, but as long as the car didn't rust away it would last almost for ever.

Go back to the 60's and cars just rotted away, Vauxhall were especially noted for it but pretty much all British cars were terrible at that time.

The Capri though was an exception. They didn't break down as such and most crashed before rust got to them because they used to break when they hit a tree. Great fun to drive but too much power, poor suspension, terrible oversteer and poor driving did for many of them:)

Todays cars are so much better in every way, but lack character. The biggest difference, IMO, is that if a modern car goes wrong it needs recovery, not a screwdriver and a hammer to fix it:)
 
In other words, until I switched to diesel in 1994, I found my old bangers needed new engines at around 100-120k. I never had any other mechanical problems though to be fair

This would mostly mirror our experience, though often cars did require significant fixing from 5 or 6 years old, BUT they could generally be fixed unless they were rust-bucket specials from Italy or Leyland.

Often the biggest problem with EVs is the evangelists, who put the questioning off, but I've mentioned this before.
 
All very true Garry. I loved my Capri, it was powerful, comfortable, and looked good. Likewise I loved my Porsche 924 (1984). Earlier cars though were more capricious - Ford Anglia, Sunbeam Stiletto, Renault 10, all ok but the Renault was a bit of a disaster - on one holiday I had the drivers door fall off because of a rusted hinge that I was unaware of the weakness of; I inherited a Vauxhall Carlton of 1979 vintage that used a gallon of oil a week and leaked fuel if you filled it over half-full. Went well though and didn't rust in the front because of all the leaked oil.

I like my current Mazda 6 estate very much, I think it has a decent styling for a modern estate car, but I detest all suv's now. I liked my Discovery 3 and 4's, but not the newer JLR vehicles. I would really struggle to find an ICE or EV that really looks good now. But it is subjective.
 
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I don't remember that time either. When I started driving the only cars available were already ancient, pre-war designs, uncomfortable, inefficient, poor performance, poor economy and constantly going wrong in the sense that something or other wouldn't work.

But a lot of the problems were down to lack of maintenance, most people couldn't afford garage costs and didn't know as much about DIY car care as they thought they did.

Engines, clutches etc didn't last all that long, but as long as the car didn't rust away it would last almost for ever.

Go back to the 60's and cars just rotted away, Vauxhall were especially noted for it but pretty much all British cars were terrible at that time.

The Capri though was an exception. They didn't break down as such and most crashed before rust got to them because they used to break when they hit a tree. Great fun to drive but too much power, poor suspension, terrible oversteer and poor driving did for many of them:)

Todays cars are so much better in every way, but lack character. The biggest difference, IMO, is that if a modern car goes wrong it needs recovery, not a screwdriver and a hammer to fix it:)

The Police Rover 3500S P6 and Triumph 2.5 PI used to go round the clock three times before being sold on.
 
and to be honest, evangelising one sort of car over another is never going to be that successful as we all have different needs and tastes.

And would you want to join an owners group that discusses " how much they don't miss petrol stations grubby places, queues in bad weather etc , they love the come home plug in go indoors for food and TV and come out in the AM to a full tank every time" with such smugness?
 
Quite so @Clive K , not that I'm a clubby person anyway. I see enough whinging and self-satisfaction in amateur radio FB groups!
 
and to be honest, evangelising one sort of car over another is never going to be that successful as we all have different needs and tastes.

Are you kidding it is what the British do best we are proper car snobs our society breeds into us when we leave school get a nice car and then get on the property ladder, we have a
completely different mindset to the average European.
 
Are you kidding it is what the British do best we are proper car snobs our society breeds into us when we leave school get a nice car and then get on the property ladder, we have a
completely different mindset to the average European.

But it's got up the noses of everyone here and on every other forum I use.
 
Of the c34 million cars, approx. 10 million are diesel. A far cry from being dead. EV registrations are growing quickly, but they are still a very small proportion of cars on the road at around 4%. The growth curve could straighten out as incentives are pulled.

For me ICE and EV isn't a binary situation. I wouldn't have a problem with 100% EVs on the road, so long as it was suitable for everyone. I also don't have a problem with a mix of fuel types, although I do find Euro 5 diesels and earlier tailpipe emissions quite stinky. Euro 6 is fine though.


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The Police Rover 3500S P6 and Triumph 2.5 PI used to go round the clock three times before being sold on.
Back in those days police had their own inhouse servicing for the cars and they were looked after much better.
 
Back in those days police had their own inhouse servicing for the cars and they were looked after much better.

Not quite true in my experience. The beat and CID cars were serviced in house, but the traffic cars went to a main dealer for everything. And they also got a lot more hammer than your average Rover or Triumph.
 
To be honest some of them were like Trigger's broom; on their third body and fourth engine. But they were still red lining them with 300k on the clock :ROFLMAO:
 
To be honest some of them were like Trigger's broom; on their third body and fourth engine. But they were still red lining them with 300k on the clock :ROFLMAO:
So probably best to discount them as evidence?
 
This was my great grandad's vehicle, never missed a beat..

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I find this offensive and have reported it.

Have made an effort to be civil in this thread even though there has been a lot of provocation, it’s a pity others can’t do the same without resorting to being childish.
 
I find this offensive and have reported it.

Have made an effort to be civil in this thread even though there has been a lot of provocation, it’s a pity others can’t do the same without resorting to being childish.
Well, you replied to my general post about change with some specific stuff about your uncle. What goes around comes around.
 
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Probably time for a Mod to step in again.

What don't you want to understand? Some cars were involved in accidents. Others got their tappets or cam shafts revved through the cylinder head by over enthusiastic drivers. But the old straight 6 Triumphs and V8 Rovers were more than capable of doing 300k before being auctioned off.
 
What don't you want to understand? Some cars were involved in accidents. Others got their tappets or cam shafts revved through the cylinder head by over enthusiastic drivers. But the old straight 6 Triumphs and V8 Rovers were more than capable of doing 300k before being auctioned off.
Of course there are outliers. That's how things work.
 
Of course there are outliers. That's how things work.


The Rovers fared better generally as they were on motorway duties. We could get a car in for decommission less than 4 years old with more than 300k on the clock and if you changed the steering wheel, front seats and clutch pedal rubber it could pass as a nearly new car. The Triumphs were more nimble so were used for Divisional Support duties. They would come in after an escapee bull had crawled all over them or they had been rammed and were typically older when retired. The company I worked for had a policy of replacing the engine if the vehicle had a serious front end shunt. It was purely a money earner.

When the cars came in for decommission the car traders that I dealt with used to ask to see their service records before they went to auction. Sometimes they would buy them before they went under the hammer. That's how I got to see their history.
 
Well, you replied to my general post about change with some specific stuff about your uncle. What goes around comes around.
That was because you were making things up again.

Have reported this as well, very rude and aggressive.
 
That was because you were making things up again.

Have reported this as well, very rude and aggressive.
Perhaps, instead, show what I have made up.
 
The Rovers fared better generally as they were on motorway duties. We could get a car in for decommission less than 4 years old with more than 300k on the clock and if you changed the steering wheel, front seats and clutch pedal rubber it could pass as a nearly new car. The Triumphs were more nimble so were used for Divisional Support duties. They would come in after an escapee bull had crawled all over them or they had been rammed and were typically older when retired. The company I worked for had a policy of replacing the engine if the vehicle had a serious front end shunt. It was purely a money earner.

When the cars came in for decommission the car traders that I dealt with used to ask to see their service records before they went to auction. Sometimes they would buy them before they went under the hammer. That's how I got to see their history.
Normal motorway driving certainly adds miles without much strain, and I’d imagine that most Traffic mileage was ‘normal’, with occasional wild extremes!
 
Wow this thread is going South @lindsay
might be time to close the door lol
 
Normal motorway driving certainly adds miles without much strain, and I’d imagine that most Traffic mileage was ‘normal’, with occasional wild extremes!

You couldn't really over-rev the lazy V8 Buick engine.
 
I know a comment was made on here about the "look" of EV's which I don't really see as an issue, we have a Kia dealer in the village, and their EV's look just the same as their ICE cars. One thing is true though, manufacturers seem to insist on putting really ugly wheels on them!

When we change the wife's car (2011 Mini with less than 35k on the clock) it will probably be for a used small EV. Her commute is less than 10 miles each way, and other than doing a bit of shopping at the supermarket, it rarely gets used. So an EV makes sense to me, the most it's ever going to do is the 110 mile round trip to our son's house in Bristol.
My good lady keeps "borrowing" my Sportage ("because the child seat was already in it and I couldn't be bothered to swap it over"!) She loves her 1.2 Polo but if the weather is a bit iffy, she is after the spare set of keys in a shot!
 
My good lady keeps "borrowing" my Sportage ("because the child seat was already in it and I couldn't be bothered to swap it over"!) She loves her 1.2 Polo but if the weather is a bit iffy, she is after the spare set of keys in a shot!

The biggest failing of my MG5 electric is that it's got very poor traction in snow. This is because it's based on a petrol car but without the ice engine there's no weight at the front to give the wheels the traction.
 
The biggest failing of my MG5 electric is that it's got very poor traction in snow. This is because it's based on a petrol car but without the ice engine there's no weight at the front to give the wheels the traction.
I have no intention of changing my 1.7 diesel (Eco version) any time soon. Extremely reliable, built like a tank underneath, easy to maintain myself (oil changes, filters and brakes, so simple) and it gives me 50+ mpg all year round and I got 60 mpg on a long run trip away. I got the clutch done when I bought it as it had been used around an inner city by a lady carer and the pressure plate was toast (sitting in traffic queues, with the clutch pressed!). I don't want something that drives itself, or tells me how to drive by beeping when i move the steering to pass a dead cat or seagull. My holiday hire car did that and it drove me crazy! New cars? No chance.
 
I think it's time to close this thread. It has diverged totally from its original topic, has involved a number of people both making childish and/or offensive remarks, some people can dish it out but not take it, so all in all it's become a bit of a shambles.
If someone chooses to start a new thread about certain types of car, that's fine but check any other running threads first.
And finally, if you don't like something, ignore it or don't read it.
 
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