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Not sure if this interests anyone but have just seen that apple IOS 10 will enable shooting in RAW.
 
Well, strictly speaking they haven't actually said that. It was picked up from the background screen during their latest conference where "Raw Photo Editing" was shown in text in the background, but no mention made of this "feature" at all during the conference.

It could mean that IOS 10 will have the ability to take RAW images from the Iphones camera, but it could also mean IOS 10 will have RAW editing built in for it's photo app that supports third party captured raw images only (Nikon, Canon, Sony etc.)

Guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
These sentences in that article made me laugh ;)

"Photographer's rejoice"

"Pictures snapped with the iphone are about to take a huge step closer to pro status"

Finally I can bin my DSLR and lenses and just use my iPhone :p
 
snerkler said:
These sentences in that article made me laugh ;)

"Photographer's rejoice"

"Pictures snapped with the iphone are about to take a huge step closer to pro status"

Finally I can bin my DSLR and lenses and just use my iPhone :p
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Going to get an iPhone 7 as my back up body for safari.
 
snerkler said:
These sentences in that article made me laugh ;)

"Photographer's rejoice"

"Pictures snapped with the iphone are about to take a huge step closer to pro status"

Finally I can bin my DSLR and lenses and just use my iPhone :p
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Perhaps not as far fetched as you might think ;)
 
jakeblu said:
Perhaps not as far fetched as you might think ;)
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How's that?? That's articles just hyperbole :)

I mean, the guy taking a snap of the London Eye with his phone while his Hassleblad hangs around his neck was probably taking recce shots.
 
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addicknchips said:
Going to get an iPhone 7 as my back up body for safari.
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Sod taking my DSLR and 600mm to the British GP, I have an iPhone 6s, I'll just take that [emoji38][emoji38]

Seriously, mobile phone manufacturers and media outlets should be brought to task about the amount of BS they publish about phone cams.
 
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Taken from TechCrunch;

"The functionality was confirmed in a WWDC workshop this afternoon, though, where a few details were laid out:
  • Third party developers will be able to shoot and store raw photos, but it’s something they’ll have to add to their apps — it won’t just suddenly start working across all your apps when you update to iOS 10.
  • It’ll work with the rear camera only
  • As with many DSLRs, iOS can handle shooting in RAW and JPEG simultaneously
  • It’ll be available to apps running on the iPhone 6s, 6s Plus, SE, and the 9.7” iPad
  • RAW photos will be stored in Adobe’s Digital Negative (DNG) file format
Alas, no word yet on if/how Apple plans to support RAW photos within their own Camera app."

To be fair, the in-phone jpeg processing is probably good enough for most users and those that would be bothered enough to shoot RAW for future editing would be more likely to shoot with dedicated kit. I guess it's a response to Android including RAW capability in 2014 which is equally questionable.
 
As for phone cameras taking over the market, they already are for large-market compact cameras which is why the likes of Nikon/Canon are losing revenue/sales as a result. The term 'professional' covers multiple genres, not just sports/wildlife etc which of course have niche requirements that current phone cameras are never going to touch. I can't remember the figure but there are millions of photos taken on phone cameras every day for different users. It would be interesting to see how many millions are taken on DSLRs each day too.
 
stevelmx5 said:
As for phone cameras taking over the market, they already are for large-market compact cameras which is why the likes of Nikon/Canon are losing revenue/sales as a result. The term 'professional' covers multiple genres, not just sports/wildlife etc which of course have niche requirements that current phone cameras are never going to touch. I can't remember the figure but there are millions of photos taken on phone cameras every day for different users. It would be interesting to see how many millions are taken on DSLRs each day too.
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Yes, true. But *most* photographs taken on phones aren't for the sake of making a nice image in the classical photographic sense, most are for social media, food shots, shots of their kids, something they broke that day etc etc with little thought for composition, let alone settings, to forever languish in their phone and probably lost after a few months, never to be printed or displayed. Those mass figures don't represent photography.

And while they might have overtaken the low to mid end compact market, my iPhone 6s can't get close to my 2012 RX100 mk1, not by a long stretch, so they may have taken a chunk of the market but the quality of the product is far from the product it's trying to replace.
 
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yeah an iOS device can edit a RAW file, amazing. Oh that will be only 2 per device unless you pay apple £1000 to have more that a 16gb version.
 
odd jim said:
Yes, true. But *most* photographs taken on phones aren't for the sake of making a nice image in the classical photographic sense, most are for social media, food shots, shots of their kids, something they broke that day etc etc with little thought for composition, let alone settings, to forever languish in their phone and probably lost after a few months, never to be printed or displayed. Those mass figures don't represent photography.

And while they might have overtaken the low to mid end compact market, my iPhone 6s can't get close to my 2012 RX100 mk1, not by a long stretch, so they may have taken a chunk of the market but the quality of the product is far from the product it's trying to replace.
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I have to ask why you think millions of people taking a photograph isn't photography? It might not be your idea of 'photography' because you're a hobbyist but for the majority of people who use them, it's their only camera. Regardless of what's captured by them, it's still photography.

Also, whilst your RX100 might be technically 'better' the idea behind mobile phone photography is that it's always in your pocket whenever you need it. I shoot a mix of digital (A6000) and film (medium format) but I still always have my iPhone in my pocket and use it to document camera builds I work on as well as family/holiday photos if I don't have another camera with me at the time.
 
stevelmx5 said:
I have to ask why you think millions of people taking a photograph isn't photography? It might not be your idea of 'photography' because you're a hobbyist but for the majority of people who use them, it's their only camera. Regardless of what's captured by them, it's still photography.

Also, whilst your RX100 might be technically 'better' the idea behind mobile phone photography is that it's always in your pocket whenever you need it. I shoot a mix of digital (A6000) and film (medium format) but I still always have my iPhone in my pocket and use it to document camera builds I work on as well as family/holiday photos if I don't have another camera with me at the time.
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I think what I'm saying is there are two strands to photography in the modern age, one that didn't exist before phones and social media. Before phones and social media, I don't know many people who took photos of their food on 110 film or cheap compact :)
 
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I've just done a quick Google search and found the IPPAwards (iPhonePhotography) and some of the results seem to hold their own pretty well against lots of other work on Flickr etc taken with 'proper' cameras;

http://www.ippawards.com/2015-winning-photographs/

I get that social media brings a whole new idea to photography because we're all guilty of wanting to see it now and then move on to the next thing but I don't think that should de-value the results that some people can get from a phone camera. I'm the other end of the scale on some ways in that I actually prefer shooting analogue because it feels like there is more effort involved which makes getting a result I like is more of an achievement. In the age of digital it's often seen as a ridiculous idea but each to our own eh.
 
stevelmx5 said:
I've just done a quick Google search and found the IPPAwards (iPhonePhotography) and some of the results seem to hold their own pretty well against lots of other work on Flickr etc taken with 'proper' cameras;

http://www.ippawards.com/2015-winning-photographs/

I get that social media brings a whole new idea to photography because we're all guilty of wanting to see it now and then move on to the next thing but I don't think that should de-value the results that some people can get from a phone camera. I'm the other end of the scale on some ways in that I actually prefer shooting analogue because it feels like there is more effort involved which makes getting a result I like is more of an achievement. In the age of digital it's often seen as a ridiculous idea but each to our own eh.
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I'm not devaluing mobile phone mobile phone photography. I'm simply saying that a large proportion of the output is crap - that's not the fault of the equipment per say (as long as you're using it within its limits) but the user. Back to my point earlier - a large proportion of the output is for social media / Instagram rather than the image itself.
 
"a large proportion of the output is crap - that's not the fault of the equipment per say (as long as you're using it within its limits) but the user"

Have you checked Flickr recently, that's a problem across all photography ;0)
 
stevelmx5 said:
"a large proportion of the output is crap - that's not the fault of the equipment per say (as long as you're using it within its limits) but the user"

Have you checked Flickr recently, that's a problem across all photography ;0)
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Actually Flickr I think is quite good! My FB feed however is full of crap :)
 
They desperately need to find a way to expand storage on iPads that isn't 'the cloud' and doesn't compromise their enclosed ecosystem philosophy.
 
Can't see the image?
 
It's a link to a long running thread on AVF showing the crap images that make it into Explore on Flickr. It's primarily buses, Lego minifigures or out of focus randomness but was a light-hearted response to the suggestion that photos on Flickr are better than FB ;0)
 
Apple are making good progress, they're only 12 months behind Android this time ;)
 
stevelmx5 said:
It's a link to a long running thread on AVF showing the crap images that make it into Explore on Flickr. It's primarily buses, Lego minifigures or out of focus randomness but was a light-hearted response to the suggestion that photos on Flickr are better than FB ;0)
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Oh. If I look at the front page of explore, it's infinitely better than what my friends are putting on FB (which at the time of writing includes a stack of cardboard boxes, multiple ugly selfies, someone asleep, and photo of a newspaper article...?). I'm not saying there's not crap on Flickr, but there sooooo much more crap on FB courtesy of the ever present mobile phone :)
 
odd jim said:
Oh. If I look at the front page of explore, it's infinitely better than what my friends are putting on FB (which at the time of writing includes a stack of cardboard boxes, multiple ugly selfies, someone asleep, and photo of a newspaper article...?). I'm not saying there's not crap on Flickr, but there sooooo much more crap on FB courtesy of the ever present mobile phone :)
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Sound like you need better friends :)
 
odd jim said:
Yes, true. But *most* photographs taken on phones aren't for the sake of making a nice image in the classical photographic sense, most are for social media, food shots, shots of their kids, something they broke that day etc etc with little thought for composition, let alone settings, to forever languish in their phone and probably lost after a few months, never to be printed or displayed. Those mass figures don't represent photography.

And while they might have overtaken the low to mid end compact market, my iPhone 6s can't get close to my 2012 RX100 mk1, not by a long stretch, so they may have taken a chunk of the market but the quality of the product is far from the product it's trying to replace.
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Yes exactly I bought my RX100 mk 1 because I was disappointed with the quality of shots from my smartphone
 
I've been running IOS10 now for two days. Seems pretty stable, but no apps yet that make use of RAW and can't be bothered to write my own. Time will tell.
 
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