I'm outraged. Benefit/asylum seekers in £2mil house

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ST4 said:
So it's a complete lie? Iirc a newspaper cannot print lies.
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Let's call it misrepresenting the truth then. Politicians aren't allowed to lie either... no wait... umm.
Islington is a high value area so inevitably they still have some housing stock in high rent areas although they don't have enough housing stock to cover their requirements. The council provides a family with a home from their social housing stock which is suited to their needs. The people who the council choose to house there are grateful and express their surprise at their luck. Everyone gets angry because poor people are allowed to move into a posh neighbourhood and they can't afford to. They even have the audacity to buy a carpet and a television and shock horror, some of them work as drivers. My god that is outrageous. Almost as outrageous as the approximately £500,000 it costs to send two RAF Tornadoes on a bombing run to blow up a few pickup trucks in Iraq.
 
I was more outraged when I realised that Andy Pandy and Looby Loo have to share the same little box.

Disgusting!
 
ST4 said:
The Tories are meant to be cutting public spending on frivolous benefits but here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ry-council-home-Londons-affluent-streets.html

Seeking asylum. Why come all the way to Britain. There's many more countries that are safe near Somalia. No they are here for the scrounge and have hit the jack pot.
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Of course there are no asylum seekers in other European countries are there? Do you really think this is just a British issue?
With a thread title like that, a link to the Daily Heil and your recent post content history, I am convinced you post just to wind people up. You've become a caricature of yourself!
 
Since when did "high-flying lawyers and stockbrokers" deserve such sympathy?

Are the readers of the Daily Mail really so well off that they have more in common with stockbrokers and lawyers in £1.8m homes than a family of Somali refugees in a council house on the MW/LLW? Maybe you're a fat cat with a million pound mansiion Steve, but most people aren't - and you'll get sweet FA sympathy for tipping your cap and bending your knee so fast to those that are.

This is so the the wrong day of the year for being such a strong supporter of the establishment.. ..
 
ST4 said:
The Tories are meant to be cutting public spending on frivolous benefits but here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ry-council-home-Londons-affluent-streets.html

Seeking asylum. Why come all the way to Britain. There's many more countries that are safe near Somalia. No they are here for the scrounge and have hit the jack pot.
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Well that is exactly what you get with a Labour Council. Don't get what this has to do with the Coalition government since it is the labour council who've set the rent artificially low such that it doesn't exceed the cap.

Just remember, it is always bloody useless labour who do these things.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Of course there are no asylum seekers in other European countries are there? Do you really think this is just a British issue?
With a thread title like that, a link to the Daily Heil and your recent post content history, I am convinced you post just to wind people up. You've become a caricature of yourself!
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No, but why come all the way to Britain to seek asylum when there are countries closer to seek asylum in? Perhaps it's our benefit system that lures them.

Housing benefit or not, it's to supply a basic house. Not a nice house in a nice area.
 
Alastair said:
Since when did "high-flying lawyers and stockbrokers" deserve such sympathy?

Are the readers of the Daily Mail really so well off that they have more in common with stockbrokers and lawyers in £1.8m homes than a family of Somali refugees in a council house on the MW/LLW? Maybe you're a fat cat with a million pound mansiion Steve, but most people aren't - and you'll get sweet FA sympathy for tipping your cap and bending your knee so fast to those that are.

This is so the the wrong day of the year for being such a strong supporter of the establishment.. ..
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Why should those that pay a lot ore into the system to support people like that not get my sympathy. Imagine all that hard work to live in a nice area and your local council moves in a family on benefits next door.
 
ST4 said:
Why should those that pay a lot ore into the system to support people like that not get my sympathy. Imagine all that hard work to live in a nice area and your local council moves in a family on benefits next door.
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God forbid you have to rub shoulders with the common man, refugees should be living in the most squalid parts of the country!

Do you ever stop and listen to yourself? You really do not seem to understand the values of the country you live in. As I've said before, your ideals are far more suited to life in more backward states overseas, you really should leave, if only for the sake of your blood pressure.
 
ST4 said:
No, but why come all the way to Britain to seek asylum when there are countries closer to seek asylum in? Perhaps it's our benefit system that lures them.
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You seem to be unaware that asylum seekers are not permitted to claim Housing Benefit or most other mainstream benefits. They are also ineligible for council housing and are not allowed to work.

Their subsistence is paid for by the UKBA, not local councils: a married couple will receive about £75 per week compared to about £105 per week for JSA. Housing is provided by the UKBA when asylum seekers are destitute; most housing available via the UKBA is in the NW, NE, Scotland and Wales.

It may take a long time (up to 16 years has been known) for their application for asylum to be ruled upon.

The short version is that the people in the DM story cannot currently be asylum seekers as you claim.

ST4 said:
Housing benefit or not, it's to supply a basic house. Not a nice house in a nice area.
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The remainder of your complaint is that a LA in an area dominated by 19th century property has a 19th century house in its portfolio. If you are complaining about waste of money, then it will be considerably cheaper than the temporary accommodation they were living in previously.
 
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Musicman said:
You seem to be unaware that asylum seekers are not permitted to claim Housing Benefit or most other mainstream benefits. They are also ineligible for council housing and are not allowed to work.

Their subsistence is paid for by the UKBA, not local councils: a married couple will receive about £75 per week compared to about £105 per week for JSA. Housing is provided by the UKBA when asylum seekers are destitute; most housing available via the UKBA is in the NW, NE, Scotland and Wales.

It may take a long time (up to 16 years has been known) for their application for asylum to be ruled upon.

The short version is that the people in the DM story cannot currently be asylum seekers as you claim.



The remainder of your complaint is that a LA in an area dominated by 19th century property has a 19th century house in its portfolio. If you are complaining about waste of money, then it will be considerably cheaper than the temporary accommodation they were living in previously.
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There you go again Rob. Letting the facts get in the way of a good rant!! :rolleyes: :D
 
mid_gen said:
God forbid you have to rub shoulders with the common man, refugees should be living in the most squalid parts of the country!

Do you ever stop and listen to yourself? You really do not seem to understand the values of the country you live in. As I've said before, your ideals are far more suited to life in more backward states overseas, you really should leave, if only for the sake of your blood pressure.
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If you pay through the nose for a house and work hard to buy it because it's in a nice area I think you'd be a bit miffed if the state moved in someone who'd otherwise not be able to live their at yours and everyone else's expense.

It's like buying a 1st class ticket to get away from the herd only to discover the train company decides to plonk a big family next to you because they couldn't afford a standard fare.
 
Musicman said:
You seem to be unaware that asylum seekers are not permitted to claim Housing Benefit or most other mainstream benefits. They are also ineligible for council housing and are not allowed to work.

Their subsistence is paid for by the UKBA, not local councils: a married couple will receive about £75 per week compared to about £105 per week for JSA. Housing is provided by the UKBA when asylum seekers are destitute; most housing available via the UKBA is in the NW, NE, Scotland and Wales.

It may take a long time (up to 16 years has been known) for their application for asylum to be ruled upon.

The short version is that the people in the DM story cannot currently be asylum seekers as you claim.



The remainder of your complaint is that a LA in an area dominated by 19th century property has a 19th century house in its portfolio. If you are complaining about waste of money, then it will be considerably cheaper than the temporary accommodation they were living in previously.
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Ok immigrants then who got in via seeking asylum. Given they could have seeked asylum much closer to home they have no business IMHO being in Britain.

The councils who bleat on about how poor they are should consider selling the house to raise capital or rent it at market value IMHO.
 
The DM sums up the basics of the story in one paragraph buried in the middle..

"It is unclear when the Somali family, who have been living in the house for about a year, came to the UK and whether they arrived as asylum seekers. The precise breakdown of the benefits they receive is not known."​

But why let an absence of facts get in the way of story, eh? The DM understands very well just how it's readership will fill in the blanks with their own ignorance and bigotry.


Then again, this story is over two years old.. which just shows how far some people will go to find a story to be outraged about - or confirms a theory that all DM readers are living in the past with a tenuous grip on the present..
 
Alastair said:
The DM sums up the basics of the story in one paragraph buried in the middle..

"It is unclear when the Somali family, who have been living in the house for about a year, came to the UK and whether they arrived as asylum seekers. The precise breakdown of the benefits they receive is not known."​

But why let an absence of facts get in the way of story, eh? The DM understands very well just how it's readership will fill in the blanks with their own ignorance and bigotry.


Then again, this story is over two years old.. which just shows how far some people will go to find a story to be outraged about - or confirms a theory that all DM readers are living in the past with a tenuous grip on the present..
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Blimey the irony of a red lefty ;) doesn't surprise me though.
 
ST4 said:
If you pay through the nose for a house and work hard to buy it because it's in a nice area I think you'd be a bit miffed if the state moved in someone who'd otherwise not be able to live their at yours and everyone else's expense.

It's like buying a 1st class ticket to get away from the herd only to discover the train company decides to plonk a big family next to you because they couldn't afford a standard fare.
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'Get away from the herd' your class issues and snobbery are starting to show.

For the record I'm a tory voting priviliged middle-class white man. I'm not however one of those tools that spends their whole life concerned with how other people live their lives and being constantly outraged that someone might appear to have got something I have, be it through misfortune (being born into a war-ravaged failed state, for example) or otherwise.

Why does it matter to you so much what other people 'deserve'? Why are you not content living your own life instead of frothing outrage at everyone and everything? What went so wrong in your life to make you this bitter?

The fact you are more concerned about the price of the property than the plight of this family that have probably suffered the likes of which you and yours will never experience speaks volumes.
 
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mid_gen said:
'Get away from the herd' your class issues and snobbery are starting to show.

For the record I'm a tory voting priviliged middle-class white man. I'm not however one of those tools that spends their whole life concerned with how other people live their lives and being constantly outraged that someone might appear to have got something I have, be it through misfortune (being born into a war-ravaged failed state, for example) or otherwise.

Why does it matter to you so much what other people 'deserve'? Why are you not content living your own life instead of frothing outrage at everyone and everything? What went so wrong in your life to make you this bitter?
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Why are you so angry I would want to live in a nice neighbourhood, travel in a way that keeps me away from the herd. I just say what many people think.

I am out raged that we, all, as tax payers are financing foreign people to live in a luxury house in a decent area where many hard working British people could only dream of living there. It just is not right, not because the house is better than mine and in a better area, but because it is not right that we put those people who rely on the state for their income, into a house that only the 1% could normally afford. Hard work, money, weath, has to buy you something better, otherwise whats the point in having it. That house should have a wealth successful person buying it/living in it, not a family reliant on state handouts. If it was a horrible house in a bad area, I would feel different about it.

Fifty years of apathy got us here, where will another fifty years of apathy get us.
 
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ST4 said:
I just say what many people think.
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Thankfully I'm sure enough about your dire lack of psychic ability to be able to say no....you don't.
 
ST4 said:
If it was a horrible house in a bad area, I would feel different about it.
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Just...wow. You really are one of that special obnoxious breed of people that can't just enjoy living a privileged lifestyle, you have to make sure it is denied everyone else* in order to be happy.

*especially if they are a different colour or have the audacity to have been born elsewhere.
 
It wouldn't be my choice of words that ST4 has used, but I do get the sentiment

Taking his analogy for the train is an excellent example. Sorry but when I have to pay £200 extra to get to a quiet carriage enabling me to do some work. I'd be severely annoyed if they've put in another family in there for free. That is not to mean that we shouldn't help others, it is merely that they get the premium service. I think it would be much fairer if they upgraded the hard working family which couldn't afford the premium service but did pay for their own ticket in order to make space for some free loaders.

Or to make it more specific. My daughter used to go to s private primary school. Only 12 children in the class, but then I found out that only five of us were paying the school fees. The other seven came in on the social aspirations of the head. Guess what the school went bankrupt when we choose with our feet and took our business elsewhere. The ratio was just plain wrong. I'm not making the sacrifices in life to fund other people's lifestyle choices. It is a model that has been proven to fail. Put the efforts in and the rewards will be great. Just don't drag everyone down to the same lowest common denominator.
 
mid_gen said:
Just...wow. You really are one of that special obnoxious breed of people that can't just enjoy living a privileged lifestyle, you have to make sure it is denied everyone else* in order to be happy.

*especially if they are a different colour or have the audacity to have been born elsewhere.
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I'm sure @ST4 welcomes anyone to s privileged lifestyle when they pay for it themselves ;) no need to get on a nasty personal attack.
 
dejongj said:
I'm sure @ST4 welcomes anyone to s privileged lifestyle when they pay for it themselves ;) no need to get on a nasty personal attack.
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Exactly. If he came, started a business etc and did well, I would be delighted he has the house, but for the tax payer to put people in luxury homes in nice areas on housing benefit is just not on. Not only expensive but unfair on the 1% who have risen to be able to afford such a place to live and be.

The personal attacks just show the sort of people that cannot reason out a very logical point. If you pay a lot of money to live in an exclusive area in a nice house, it is galling that someone on benefits is put next to you. It must be even more galling to those hard working people who want to live here but cannot quite afford to.

The state should only provide the most basic of housing and not in exclusive areas, IMHO. Thats not being nasty, obnoxious, but practical and fair to the tax payer who have to fund all this.
 
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ST4 said:
The personal attacks just show the sort of people that cannot reason out a very logical point. .
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But Steve, you don't present logical points; merely bigoted ones.
 
JonathanRyan said:
There's a very easy way to stop being so angry all the time: stop reading the Daily Mail.
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It's o.k. if you read it just to laugh at it, but a lot of people read it and let it dictate to them what they should be thinking.


Steve.
 
ST4 said:
Can you please explain why it is bigoted to be concerned that the government is housing people in exclusive areas in expensive homes the top 1% would struggle to afford?

If that's your definition of bigotry, you clearly need help.
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BIGOT:
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

You're the poster child, so if it's all the same to you, I stand by my opinion.
 
viv1969 said:
BIGOT:
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

You're the poster child, so if it's all the same to you, I stand by my opinion.
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How have I treated a group with hatred and intolerance? I am standing up for the British tax payer, that is all.

In another thread you described British workers as oxygen wasters, perhaps it is you that is the bigot.

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; far superior to our home-grown oxygen wasters!
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viv1969 said:
BIGOT:
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

You're the poster child, so if it's all the same to you, I stand by my opinion.
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I really fail to see the relevance in the context of this thread. Seems more like an opinion formed as an immovable object based upon other threads. And the funny is I am a foreigner, but it is not hard to understand what st4 is getting at here.

I would have thought that dramatic expressions aside it is just common sense and a fair approach.
 
viv1969 said:
BIGOT:
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

You're the poster child, so if it's all the same to you, I stand by my opinion.
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ST4 said:
How have I treated a group with hatred and intolerance? I am standing up for the British tax payer, that is all.
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No you're not. Unless you hold some elected position we're unaware of you're merely bleating about your own intolerances, and what they stand for.


ST4 said:
In another thread you described British workers as oxygen wasters, perhaps it is you that is the bigot.
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I think you need to reeeeeeaally look at that thread Steve :ROFLMAO:
 
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