I hate printing photographs.....

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Hello All,

I have an iMac, Canon EOS cameras and a simple Canon MG4150 printer. Earlier this year, in Cornwall I took this photograph (with my EOS M) in RAW:

Sun Setting Over St Ives by wakarimasen1, on Flickr

The version you see is the JPEG developed by Canons' own software, Digital Photo Professional 4. It's nothing amazing but I like it, and decided to print it today. So far, I have six copies: none of which look like the print above. I'm dimly aware of colour profiles, but the last time I dipped my toes into their murky waters, it all ended rather badly. Does anyone know of a simple primer that I can follow, to set up my system for reasonably accurate printing?

I prefer film (slides) for colour if I'm honest, but am trying to embrace the digital world a little more. However, if I can't make a simple print, I think I may go mad . :crying:

All help gratefully received.
 
in what way do the prints not match the screen?
 
There are many online resources that cover a colour managed workflow, most seem to get deep quite quickly so may not help much (unless you like the technical ...). I used to have one of the Canon MP type printers/scanner doobries and was able to get some pretty decent results from it. I now use an Epson printer but the principle is the same.

I enjoy printing images at home, and I follow what I think is a simple method. It's easy to over complicate anything, but especially easy with printing and colour management imo/e.

The first thing I do is ensure the monitor is calibrated, that way I have a fighting chance that the colours I see on screen are near to the actual colours I want ;)

I print from Lightroom or Photoshop and that may have a bearing on how you go about it. The reason being is that I switch off all printer driver control in terms of colour. I'm assuming that you are using Canon inks and papers to print on (and yes it does make a difference). Hopefully whatever s/w you use you can control how the image is printed in terms of which profile to use and what type of paper is used. If not there is another option worth trying. I'll try and explain using the s/w method (how I do it) first.

Option 1. The first thing to do is switch off all colour management on the print driver so open the print driver and on the Main tab select the paper type you will be using (e.g. Canon Glossy or similar - can't remember the actual names). Then select the print quality, e.g. High. Then below that where it says Color/intensity, choose manual and click on the now active Set button. On the page that shows in the color correction drop down choose None. This has switched off and setup the print driver so the application can control colour.

From memory when you install the print driver it also installs a number of paper profiles. These will end with .icm (at least they do on Windows, not sure on Mac). These will be used when you print to get the best results (at least without getting bespoke profiles made). In your editing/printing app go to the print option, in which (hopefully) there will be an option to set color management options. Make sure that the type of paper is either selected by name (e.g. Canon Glossy) or by type (e.g. Photo Glossy). Look for something that states Profile - this will most likely be a drop down where you can select pre-installed profiles from, choose the profile that corresponds to your paper - I cannot remember how canon name these but I do recall it was fairly obvious. These profiles were setup to use Canon inks. You may or may not have a separate media type option, if you do make sure that it is consistent with the paper, i.e. if using a Photo Glossy paper choose Gloss as media type. If there is an option for intent then generally Perceptual will be the safest option. Then click Print - all being well it should produce something similar to what you see on screen, don't try and compare it to the screen image though (unless you have controlled lighting) best to evaluate it in good daylight ime.

Option 2. If the printing/editing application does not support colour management then you need to set the print driver up to do this. As before open the driver and go to the Main tab setting paper type and print quality. Also as before you want to manually set the Color/intensity. But this time don't choose None, instead choose ICM, there will be a selection drop down appear, click this and choose the profile that matches your paper (this is the same profile you would have used in Option 1 above). If my memory has not failed me this will then produce prints using the specified profile and again should get closer to what you see on screen.

Whilst Option 2 seems simpler you have far more fine control using Option 1, specifically in some applications you can soft proof where it will show you a very close simile of how the print will be using current settings, this allows you where necessary to tweak brightness/contrast/saturation etc to suit.

Hope that helps.
 
It's possible it's a screen problem. Most monitors are very bright and contrasty. Calibration helps here as it "tames" this.Also the printer itself may not be able to reproduce the vivid colours your monitor does. If it can't then there is no way you can get the same brilliance you see on the monitor. Also there is a difference in technologies. The monitor is transmissive and the print is reflective, this will make a difference.

So what can you do about it. Well calibrate your monitor may be the easiest course, but what if you don't want to go to that expense. Well you may need to compromise what can be achieved. First thing to find out is , is your printer capable of producing the results you want.Have you tried simply increasing contrast and saturation. If you have and seen no improvement then it's possible that the printer cannot achieve the results you want. Also it's worth pointing out that glossy paper gives more punch than lustre or matte.

What printer and paper are you using ?

If you have the time, you could try a simple experiment. I've not used DPP for years so I'm a bit rusty. Can you adjust the image in DPP so that it matches the print. You could try applying the reverse correction and see if it makes any difference. For example to mach the print you need to make a -20 contrast change and a - 30 saturation change. Add +20 contrast and + 30 saturation and make a test print. If this shows no significant improvement then your printer may no be capable of producing the result you want
 
You haven't got an ambient light sensor on your screen have you?
 
Dunno if the done thing is to start a whole new thread, or piggy back on someone elses, but the question is pretty much identical, though with a Canon MG7750. The prints in my case appear darker, too contrasty and a tad over saturated. I'm calibrating the screen with a ColorMunki, printing through Photoshop onto Canon Matte photo paper (possibly a bad choice to start with!) I thought I was using the right profile (MP7700 series MP 2 I think) but when I proofed it, it doesn't even begin to resemble what prints out, so the whole setup seems completely out of kilter!

I'm think I'm also realising that buying special papers (say Permajet textured and fine art papers) for this printer is possibly a bit pointless as profiles don't exist for the printer.

Sending the photos off to One Vision never looked more appealing! :/
 
Dunno if the done thing is to start a whole new thread, or piggy back on someone elses, but the question is pretty much identical, though with a Canon MG7750. The prints in my case appear darker, too contrasty and a tad over saturated. I'm calibrating the screen with a ColorMunki, printing through Photoshop onto Canon Matte photo paper (possibly a bad choice to start with!) I thought I was using the right profile (MP7700 series MP 2 I think) but when I proofed it, it doesn't even begin to resemble what prints out, so the whole setup seems completely out of kilter!

I'm think I'm also realising that buying special papers (say Permajet textured and fine art papers) for this printer is possibly a bit pointless as profiles don't exist for the printer.

Sending the photos off to One Vision never looked more appealing! :/
I would have expected the profile for the paper to be named relative to the paper name/type and supplied as being specifically for a printer model range for example
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It does appear - Canon MG7700 Series MP2 is probably the relevant profile and the one I've been using. if you proof it using a custom profile with those printer / paper settings, it looks completely washed out on the proofing page and print preview, then when printed looks darker, more contrasty and more saturated.
 
It does appear - Canon MG7700 Series MP2 is probably the relevant profile and the one I've been using. if you proof it using a custom profile with those printer / paper settings, it looks completely washed out on the proofing page and print preview, then when printed looks darker, more contrasty and more saturated.
Hmm that sounds like you are giving it double bubble 1 Using the software to control printing with the profile and 2 Telling the printer to control it too.
 
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