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So we are due to fly out to a wedding on the 5th June and also take a weeks holiday.
We've booked with BA and now the Unite the union have announced the strike dates and yup, you've guess, June 5th is one of the strike dates.
 
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well done BA staff for effectively killing the company you work for.

That's not totally fair, I'm pretty sure there are two sides to the arguments and although I'm not involved there do seem to be some pretty dirty tricks being used by BA too.
 
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That's not totally fair, I'm pretty sure there are two sides to the arguments and although I'm not involved there do seem to be some pretty dirty tricks being used by BA too.

seriously what do the staff think will happen if they keep striking every 5 mins? less customers, more costs to the company from compensation/rebooked flights...
 
That's not totally fair

It is when you are a dedicated customer who pays for club class at least twice a year on long haul flights....
 
Our holiday is up in the air too. Was going to Budapest for 4 days, all of which fall within one of the strikes.
 
Darran I'm sorry to hear about how the BA strikes will affect you and your family.

I'm amazed they can afford to strike for so long.
 
im not a huge fan of striking as some may remember, and I think 20 days striking with 1 day of 'normal' work in the middle, scheduled over bank holiday and school hoilidays doesnt help make me feel sympathy for these either.

I agree with whoever said it will effectively kill their jobs - 20days of no pay will almost certainly put BA under. I dont think there can be any excuse for striking, they should be ashamed, so many family holidays will be ruined, there is just no justification
 
Matty, and there is the rub, all they will achieve is BA possibly going into a partnership with another airline and there will be job cuts.
Lots of people have felt the crunch with their jobs/conditions/wages but it's just a sign of the times and have to do the best they can.
BA staff need to wake up, they are one of (if not the best paid) in the UK airline industry.
If they expect to earn more money from other airlines they need to think again.
The budget airlines pay a lot less and there wont be enough work for them if BA end up making cut backs.
A posties job is not the high paid job it used to be and neither is a BT engineers job.
Even people in IT know the money isn't there anymore, it's life so either accept it or re-train if they want to earn a lot more.
 
Perfect timing by the union, reminds me of the car industry.That went titsup as well.
 
A posties job is not the high paid job it used to be and neither is a BT engineers job.

But the Posties got what they wanted by striking. I wont be sympathetic with them but in the end BA will have to act and the staff know it. With the recent ash trouble BA are already on there knees and once again the staff know this. To me the timing isnt a coincidence.
 
but BA aren't making money without paying the staff more - if they pay them more they will just run at a bigger loss
 
this strike has fail written all over it, Willie Walsh doesnt take this sort of thing well, hes apprently sent an email out telling staff that those who voted for a strike will lose their travel perks perminantly. Unite are playing games with other peoples jobs, if BA go under, the same high rollers at Unite will target the next 'brothers' who are downtrodden and in need of union support at another place of work while the people they have lost the jobs of will be looking for work
 
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this strike has fail written all over it, Willie Walsh doesnt take this sort of thing well, hes apprently sent an email out telling staff that those who voted for a strike will lose their travel perks perminantly. Unite are playing games with other peoples jobs, if BA go under, the same high rollers at Unite will target the next 'brothers' who are downtrodden and in need of union support at another place of work while the people they have lost the jobs of will be looking for work

Not totally correct. Those who voted for a strike - no. Votes are secret. Those who went on strike - yes. Those who went on strike first time round had their staff travel eligibility removed. Subsequent negotiations would have restored it but with their seniority for staff travel reduced to that of a new starter. But the negotiations broke down, and is no longer on offer.
 
It is the absolute right for anyone in that they can withdraw their labour if they so wish.
 
It should also be the right for a company to sack staff who cost their business so much money!
 
But the Posties got what they wanted by striking.

They reached a 'compromise', the automation system is still going ahead.


I wont be sympathetic with them but in the end BA will have to act and the staff know it. With the recent ash trouble BA are already on there knees and once again the staff know this. To me the timing isnt a coincidence.


With the recent ash trouble, BA like all the other airlines lost vast amounts of money.
They are already struggling as it is and reeks of similarities that lead to the downfall of companies like British Leyland.

Once upon a time I was a supporter of the unions, I was fully behind Arthur Scargill and the miners but times have changed.
However, our economy is screwed, we are still deep into a recession, no matter what David Cameron has said, we will never be the great manufacturing country we once were, unemployment levels are a lot higher, and housing repossessions continue because people can't afford to pay their mortgages.

BA staff need to look at the bigger picture and tack a step back.
They also need to wake up and realise that many loyal BA customers will just give up and switch airlines.
The long haul flights that successfully fill club class, upper / first class will eventually end up being vastly empty as more customers start looking at the likes of Virgin.
I know of 4 people who run small businesses who fly on a regular basis who have already switched airlines.
These are small fry but imagine the impact if major corporate companies start doing the same.
 
TBH, while I sympathise with you about the hassle, it's been no secret that BA was going to be disrupted so why book with them knowing that there was a good chance of problems?

Besides, shouldn't your gripe be with UNITE rather than BA? I'm fairly sure that BA would far rather keep all flights going while it's the union trying to cause as much disruption as possible to the public in the hope that it'll force BA to give in.
 
if thats the case surely itd only be fair if the employer could replace those people with no notice..

no ones stopping them getting jobs elsewhere.

Neil, you forget that they are already the best paid cabin crew in the country. The reason they don't is because anywhere else they'd be earning 10k less, and they still want more, from an airline that's losing money hand over fist.

Talk about killing the golden goose :bang::bang::bang:
 
It is the absolute right for anyone in that they can withdraw their labour if they so wish.

Yes, I believe it is called resigning.





Flippant remarks over, no one can deny that the BA staff who strike and their union are failing to see the bigger picture for what it really is. The company is in deep do do already, they will loose more money in a strike. How then, are they supposed to give mass pay rises and equally important why should they to staff who have shown such disregard for the company as a whole?
 
I think it probably has little to do with BA staff and more to do with the political ambitions of their union leaders. More fool them for not seeing what the union is leading them in to and following them like sheep.
 
It is the absolute right for anyone in that they can withdraw their labour if they so wish.

Provided the strike has been legally called, then yes it is and I would not change this. It is also illegal for an employer to sack someone for going on strike. It is crucial that these things remain.

That said, the strike by cabin crew seems to completely lack any kind of common sense given the prevailing economic conditions. I cannot understand their attitude at all.
 
Provided the strike has been legally called, then yes it is and I would not change this. It is also illegal for an employer to sack someone for going on strike. It is crucial that these things remain

why? if anyone else said they werent coming in to work for 20 days if they dont get a pay rise (for example) theyd get the sack..
 
TBH, while I sympathise with you about the hassle, it's been no secret that BA was going to be disrupted so why book with them knowing that there was a good chance of problems?

Besides, shouldn't your gripe be with UNITE rather than BA? I'm fairly sure that BA would far rather keep all flights going while it's the union trying to cause as much disruption as possible to the public in the hope that it'll force BA to give in.

Yes my gripe is with Unite and the staff and not BA directly.
However, BA are the company we are flying with and while I don't fully blame them, they have their part to play.
There has been talk for quite some time about further possible strikes but this flights were booked late last year, before they even mentioned any strike action this year.
Needless to say our flights in July have not been booked with BA.
 
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