How would you edit this?

[donkeymusic]

Hello,

Im struggling to get a consistent editing technique in place. Working in Lightroom i want to be able to edit the floor to show a good reflection but to remove the off white colour from the floor.

Just wondered how you would edit the following image so i can see what results others are getting, when i do mine i get a clean floor but loose a lot of the shadow.


sample by Carlo Mullen, on Flickr

Thanks

 

[donkeymusic]

This is where i see a problem, on my macbook around his right foot a see a lot of yellow tint, however connected macbook up to monitor and that now appears blue, trying to determine the best machine to do editing on. On the monitor the left shoulder looks blown whereas on macbook it looks fine.

on monitor this image doesnt look like the floor needs much editing.

Getting slightly confused as to what is giving a true image and i have just calibrated both screens using spyder 3.

Any advice?

Thanks

 

[scottthehat]

have you turned off adobe gamma on both if you have any adobe programs.

 

[OlyPaul]

Hello,

Im struggling to get a consistent editing technique in place. Working in Lightroom i want to be able to edit the floor to show a good reflection but to remove the off white colour from the floor.

Just wondered how you would edit the following image so i can see what results others are getting, when i do mine i get a clean floor but loose a lot of the shadow.


sample by Carlo Mullen, on Flickr

Thanks

I see none of the colour casts that you are seeing on your monitors which suggests you have a colour profile problem, but there does seem to be a magenta cast in the shadows Unless thats how you like it.

A quick remove colour caste in Elements.

 

[donkeymusic]

have you turned off adobe gamma on both if you have any adobe programs.

Well i am using Lightroom 2 and running photoshop so how would i urn off Adobe gamma?

Thanks

 

[donkeymusic]

I see none of the colour casts that you are seeing on your monitors which suggests you have a colour profile problem, but there does seem to be a magenta cast in the shadows Unless thats how you like it.

A quick remove colour caste in Elements.

Hi Paul, from the edit that now looks yellowy to me.

 

[donkeymusic]

Also what appears to be the issue is that on the macbook im not sure what angle the screen should be looking at it falt on it looks fine, tilt it back i see more yellow tints to the floor

 

[Dune]

Ive recently been reading a lot on profiling trying to sort my monitor and profiles out. One very respoced guy said that the brightness in most monitors and espcially the macs where well too bright. Try knocking down the back light and brightness on your monitor. It will look dull to start off with but you get used to it and its better in the long run for your eyesight. Once youve turned it down then use the spyder.

Also what is your second monitor? All monitors are different, is it a cheap lcd? There are some inherent problems with them.

When you connect your second monitor are you profiling for the output to this ( I take it your going from the vid out port of your mac)

 

[arad85]

Ive recently been reading a lot on profiling trying to sort my monitor and profiles out. One very respoced guy said that the brightness in most monitors and espcially the macs where well too bright.

Yup... I have 2 Dell 2410s and they are calibrated with a Eye-One. They are set to output 120lumens (which, I believe, is "the standard") and these have their brightness at 21 (out of a maximum of 100)

 

[Dune]

Just my tupence, try to cut out the simple problems.

 

[donkeymusic]

Ive recently been reading a lot on profiling trying to sort my monitor and profiles out. One very respoced guy said that the brightness in most monitors and espcially the macs where well too bright. Try knocking down the back light and brightness on your monitor. It will look dull to start off with but you get used to it and its better in the long run for your eyesight. Once youve turned it down then use the spyder.

Also what is your second monitor? All monitors are different, is it a cheap lcd? There are some inherent problems with them.

When you connect your second monitor are you profiling for the output to this ( I take it your going from the vid out port of your mac)

I purchased the colourvision to calibrate both monitors, with the mac i wasnt sure how bright to have the monitor and how much this determined the output of the profile.

Might lower the brightness tonight and rerun the calibration.

The Monitor is an LG, not a bad monitor, i test this standalone, not when connected to the mac, but it would make sense to tests it when connected, will try this again tonight.

 

[donkeymusic]

as well as sorting my screens, wondered how you would edit the image to get just a reflection with clean floor

 

[CT]

The original shot has a pronounced red/purple cast -not just on the floor but on the suit too. OlyPaul's edit looks on the money to me here. The suit is white where it should be and the shadoow parts are grey.

 

[donkeymusic]

The original shot has a pronounced red/purple cast -not just on the floor but on the suit too. OlyPaul's edit looks on the money to me here. The suit is white where it should be and the shadoow parts are grey.

This is where i am getting confused as the original photo looks fine but pauls looks really yellow to me

 

[CT]

This is where i am getting confused as the original photo looks fine but pauls looks really yellow to me

Looks bang on to me in fact I tried copying a selection of the suit and pasting it back into the colour image as a grey scale conversion on a layer and it looks identical, so I can't see there being much wrong with it.

Nice shot by the way - I like the posing and the framing.

 

[donkeymusic]

Looks bang on to me in fact I tried copying a selection of the suit and pasting it back into the colour image as a grey scale conversion on a layer and it looks identical, so I can't see there being much wrong with it.

Nice shot by the way - I like the posing and the framing.

Thanks, these shots are being taken for a friends karate website.

i have just looked both my image and oilypauls image in photoshop and i for pauls i get a yellow tint all over.

1 by Carlo Mullen, on Flickr

whereas the original photo is white

 

[CT]

Weird still looks fine to me - certainly no yellow tint.

 

[arad85]

Weird still looks fine to me - certainly no yellow tint.

The background behind the guy in the "colour corrected" image is flat and has values of R:251, G:255, B:240. This will give it a very slight yellowy tinge.

The original has a pure white (RGB all 255) background and the floor is typically nearly white (around 240-250 on all of RGB) with only a couple of values either side. The white uniform is in the low 200's in RGB with a bias towards blue of 10 (i.e. R/G are 225, B will be 235)

IMHO, the original is more white than the reprocess...

 

[arad85]

PS. This is what "Auto Colour" does from Photoshop CS5

 

[donkeymusic]

The background behind the guy in the "colour corrected" image is flat and has values of R:251, G:255, B:240. This will give it a very slight yellowy tinge.

The original has a pure white (RGB all 255) background and the floor is typically nearly white (around 240-250 on all of RGB) with only a couple of values either side. The white uniform is in the low 200's in RGB with a bias towards blue of 10 (i.e. R/G are 225, B will be 235)

IMHO, the original is more white than the reprocess...

thats exactly what i am seeing, i have just printed both images on a laser printer just to see and the orignal has the pure white background which is what i am after, all i wanted to know is how to edit the floor so that looks white with the guys reflection showing.

The processed image looks very yellow to me and it does on the print out.

Beginning to doubt my eyes

 

[CT]

The background behind the guy in the "colour corrected" image is flat and has values of R:251, G:255, B:240. This will give it a very slight yellowy tinge.

The original has a pure white (RGB all 255) background and the floor is typically nearly white (around 240-250 on all of RGB) with only a couple of values either side. The white uniform is in the low 200's in RGB with a bias towards blue of 10 (i.e. R/G are 225, B will be 235)

IMHO, the original is more white than the reprocess...

Original image on the left which is much the same as yours, screen grab of donkeymusics flickr pic in the centre and oly paul's edit on the right.

On my monitor the centre and right images are identical, while the original looks like the karate kit was washed with in with the red woollies. Look at the skin tones with are tending towards red/purple too.

You can get too wrapped up in this - trust the evidence of your own eyes, and forget the bg anyway - what matters is the colour of the suit primarily.

 

[arad85]

Beginning to doubt my eyes

Have to say I think my reprocess (I clicked one button!) looks the most natural - I can see what other people are saying re: the magenta cast.

How about this for the floor edit:

I selected the floor with quick select tool.
Then applied a colour balance layer and shifted the floor colour to more white
Then added a curves layer and saturated everything apart from the shadow that is in the floor (masked by the floor selection)
Duplicated the layer and then cloned in the white background.

A very quick (5 minute) edit.

 

[CT]

I think the bg on that last floor edit looks fine, but there's still the magenta cast there on the suit which is more important. I wouldn't trust any auto levels do it all button as far as I could chuck it - what parameters is it working to?

The simple approach is the suit is white - set a colour temp in degs Kelvin which achieves that - once the suit is white the rest of the cloours 'should' be right too - that's what white balance is all about. There could be any number of reasons why you're seeing a yellow cast on the bg including being influenced by other lighting, but that's a simple matter to sort once the suit is right - especially with a plain bg.

EDIT
Actually looking again I think your floor shadow is still showing the colour cast

 

[arad85]

I think the bg on that last floor edit looks fine, but there's still the magenta cast there on the suit which is more important. I wouldn't trust any auto levels do it all button as far as I could chuck it - what parameters is it working to?

I take your point about the magenta cast but given the background is blown white, you are going to have to colour correct ONLY the person standing there. Colour correcting the image as a whole will shift the blown bits to the wrong colour as you have lost the colour information in the blown section.

Actually looking again I think your floor shadow is still showing the colour cast

Yes, you're right... How about:

Again, a really quick play on the colour tools....

I know bits of the robe are now blown, but it's a proof of concept

 

[donkeymusic]

PS. This is what "Auto Colour" does from Photoshop CS5

withouth seeing your post i just did this PS4 and got the same result, this result is pretty much straight from camera and imported into Lightroom

 

[donkeymusic]

Original image on the left which is much the same as yours, screen grab of donkeymusics flickr pic in the centre and oly paul's edit on the right.

On my monitor the centre and right images are identical, while the original looks like the karate kit was washed with in with the red woollies. Look at the skin tones with are tending towards red/purple too.

You can get too wrapped up in this - trust the evidence of your own eyes, and forget the bg anyway - what matters is the colour of the suit primarily.

have been trying to trust eyes but doubting them at the moment. i have some images like this with kids and now thinking the colours are not correct, want perfect white background and floor with just reflection especially for the kids shot where parents are planning n getting canvas prints

 

[donkeymusic]

Have to say I think my reprocess (I clicked one button!) looks the most natural - I can see what other people are saying re: the magenta cast.

How about this for the floor edit:

I selected the floor with quick select tool.
Then applied a colour balance layer and shifted the floor colour to more white
Then added a curves layer and saturated everything apart from the shadow that is in the floor (masked by the floor selection)
Duplicated the layer and then cloned in the white background.

A very quick (5 minute) edit.

Thats what i am aiming for can you describe how you did this, can it be done in Lightroom?

thanks

 

[donkeymusic]

Original image on the left which is much the same as yours, screen grab of donkeymusics flickr pic in the centre and oly paul's edit on the right.

On my monitor the centre and right images are identical, while the original looks like the karate kit was washed with in with the red woollies. Look at the skin tones with are tending towards red/purple too.

You can get too wrapped up in this - trust the evidence of your own eyes, and forget the bg anyway - what matters is the colour of the suit primarily.

i dont see the redness in the original image, and the suit looks white and when checked in Lightroom and photoshop the results are that its showing white or shades of white and not leaning towards red at all.

Where the two other images are all leaning towards yellow in all apsects of the photo.

 

[donkeymusic]

How would i reduce the red tint

 

[arad85]

Thats what i am aiming for can you describe how you did this, can it be done in Lightroom?

thanks

Maybe with the brush tool, but easier in PS where you can use layer masks. I described what I did underneath the photo.

By the way, the jacket isn't white, it has a slight blue cast. You need to colour correct that and the shadow with it too. Have a look at my second edit...

 

[donkeymusic]

Maybe with the brush tool, but easier in PS where you can use layer masks. I described what I did underneath the photo.

By the way, the jacket isn't white, it has a slight blue cast. You need to colour correct that and the shadow with it too. Have a look at my second edit...

how do i remove the blue cast?

 

[arad85]

how do i remove the blue cast?

In photoshop, select the whole body/jacket/trousers etc (i.e. the area you want to alter - and you need to do the areas of flesh too) and then do Layer->New Adjustment layer->Colour balance. When it prompts you tick "Use Previous Layer to create the clipping mask"

Then in the adjustments window above, select highlights and move the yellow/blue slider towards the yellow. Have the info panel up so you can check the RGB values of the coat. When they are about equal, you will have moved the slider towards the yellow a bit. Note the number you have moved it and then apply the same offset to the midtones and shadows.

HTH...

 

[donkeymusic]

struggled editing karate photos, think the white of the suit became a problem, need to work getting the photos better straigh from camera