How much cost the ETRSi finder AE-ii

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i saw that the ETRSi finder AE-ii is so much expensive, in some cases it cost 300€ :(

they did 2 version of the finder AE ?

i know that is available also the version with the finder but in the non AE version,
 
The AE-ii is the only one offering TTL open aperture metering, according to this page from the Bronica Manual

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The other version of the viewfinder doesn’t have the metering or auto exposure mode.

Horses for courses, if all you want is a viewfinder to look through, the std prism finder works great.
 
One thing to consider before jumping into ELF for Bronica is that in the waist level std prism, there is much better viewing angle, and less parallax with the wide angle lenses, I found that with AE finder shots were always, "looking down" and gave a unrealistic look, more or less the same as with any std SLR camera with ELF. The WLF finder gives the medium format look, its not just all about the film format.
 
Just saying..if you get the AEII you might as well get the speed grip as well? Fitted the prism to my RB67 as well so I can see in the viewfinder what the eye sees. Anyway it's horses for courses as the waist level viewfinder is better for shots low to the ground or stationary shots (because you don't have to buy a prism) and the prism is better for action shots? And if you have a decent back o_O you can always simulate a waist level finder to a prism on your camera by crouching down?
 
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Barney said:
One thing to consider before jumping into ELF for Bronica is that in the waist level std prism, there is much better viewing angle, and less parallax with the wide angle lenses, I found that with AE finder shots were always, "looking down" and gave a unrealistic look, more or less the same as with any std SLR camera with ELF. The WLF finder gives the medium format look, its not just all about the film format.
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AAMOI using your ETRS don't you find taking vertical shots awkward with a waist level finder, erm well unless you can swivel your head 90 degrees holding the camera vertical o_O. .of course the popularity of the square neg solved this, but the Japanese overcome this problem with the RB67 with a swivel back. (y)
 
Hello Brian,

My tripod head, the Manfrotto 488 ball head, conveniently has a notch in it so that the camera can be rotated exactly 90 degrees, of course then, decent back permitting :ROFLMAO: ,it is possible to get a decent view through the WLF. I must admit that I very rarely use that facility but it is there. I have used the rotating back on my RB67 on occasion.

PS. what does AAMOI mean, don't recognize that acronym.
 
Barney said:
PS. what does AAMOI mean, don't recognize that acronym.
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I looked it up and it comes back: "As A Matter Of Interest".

Why people think it's clever to use these acronyms is beyond me...
 
All Arseholes Meet On Internet

:D

NOT directed at ANYONE at all Just thought it funny :)
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
I looked it up and it comes back: "As A Matter Of Interest".

Why people think it's clever to use these acronyms is beyond me...
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Not clever as such, but an ingrained habit from earlier days when for various reasons we tended to have fewer characters to play with. In early twitter, for example, RT (for retweet) and the username would be part of the already small limit.
 
It's handy to use abbreviations to keep the mods happy e.g. POS, PITA, WTF etc but I always think AAMOI is a polite way of going off topic.
 
Barney said:
Hello Brian,

My tripod head, the Manfrotto 488 ball head, conveniently has a notch in it so that the camera can be rotated exactly 90 degrees, of course then, decent back permitting :ROFLMAO: ,it is possible to get a decent view through the WLF. I must admit that I very rarely use that facility but it is there. I have used the rotating back on my RB67 on occasion.

PS. what does AAMOI mean, don't recognize that acronym.
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Well I mostly travel to places on a push bike or motorbike (only because it's easier to get through traffic jams and for parking and in some places can use the bus lane) and carrying a tripod is silly, but took the prism off the RB67 and fitted the waist level finder to see how it was like to take vertical shots (without using revolving back) erm well all I can say........it's possible :rolleyes:
 
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Not clever as such, but an ingrained habit from earlier days when for various reasons we tended to have fewer characters to play with. In early twitter, for example, RT (for retweet) and the username would be part of the already small limit.
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They've been around since the 80s/90s at least on bulletin boards and Usenet etc. I was certainly using stuff like AFAIK, IIRC, ROFL (and the longer ROFLMAO)* etc. back in the mid-90s. There were a lot of more obscure ones though.

<NERD>There also was (and still is) a trend of people wrapping text in fake HTML tags too :D </NERD>

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As Far As I Know
If I Remember Correctly
Roll On Floor Laughing
Roll On Floor Laughing My Ass Off

(just in case anyone didn't know :) ).

There's a massive list of them here: https://www.loganact.com/tips/afaik.html
 
I spent a lot of time on bulletin boards from the late 1970s to the mid 1990s. Most of them had enough space to write things out in full. It also meant that newcomers felt more welcome.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
I spent a lot of time on bulletin boards from the late 1970s to the mid 1990s. Most of them had enough space to write things out in full. It also meant that newcomers felt more welcome.
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I don't think they were used to conserve space, more to avoid extra typing - I dont think Usenet had character limits either bryond those set by providers, or at least none that anyone would likely reach in general use.

A lot of Usenet groups would have pinned posts explaining etiquette which usually also explained the acronyms (or initialisms, I guess) for new users, as well as other bits of group "lore".

I occasionally go back and look at what I posted back then, which is thankfully not too embarrassing. :D
 
FishyFish said:
I occasionally go back and look at what I posted back then,
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I don't want to do that.

I know that a lot of it would (rightly) embarrass the bejeezus out of me! :exit:
 
They didn't originate on the Internet at all. They came from Morse code and the telegraph, where the dropping of unnecessary letters makes sending and receiving faster and more efficient (I still communicate with Morse code over radio on most days).

When we started using SMS messaging, interest in it was born again. Their use on the internet increased as more people started to use keyboards, but couldn't be bothered to learn how to type properly.
 
Sky said:
They didn't originate on the Internet at all. They came from Morse code and the telegraph, where the dropping of unnecessary letters makes sending and receiving faster and more efficient (I still communicate with Morse code over radio on most days).

When we started using SMS messaging, interest in it was born again. Their use on the internet increased as more people started to use keyboards, but couldn't be bothered to learn how to type properly.
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While Morse code had it's own set of shorthand, for obvious reasons, it's more akin to text messaging than internet acronyms. Stuff like AFAIK and LOL were not a thing in Morse code and are much more recent.

There's an interesting article on it on the link below. I like how Morse users would sometimes use HIHI (• • • • • • • • • • • •) to indicate laughter (because less keying was required than the more obvious HAHA (• • • • • — • • • • • —) or HOHO (• • • • — — — • • • • — — —):

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LOL in the age of the telegraph

Long before ‘sup’ and ‘hwu’ there was ‘Hw r u ts mng?’
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There's a list of some Morse abbreviations here: https://www.yourdictionary.com/articles/morse-code-abbreviations
 
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One reason for using abbreviations may have been to discourage knowlessmen. The internet was a ckmbination of the wild frontier and a playground without rules for tec-savvy individuals in the early days, and the exclusivity was a treasured feature. The process we now call the ensh+//ification of the internet started properly when it became both readily accessible and a commercial opportinity.

Wanders off making modem noises...
 
..and you can make your own up o_O as a few times have used the abbreviation CRAB for amazing bargains esp at the bootie and quite a few times didn't need it.
 
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One reason for using abbreviations may have been to discourage knowlessmen. The internet was a ckmbination of the wild frontier and a playground without rules for tec-savvy individuals in the early days, and the exclusivity was a treasured feature. The process we now call the ensh+//ification of the internet started properly when it became both readily accessible and a commercial opportinity.

Wanders off making modem noises...
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You must be baud...
 
Graffito from the gents toilets, 2nd floor, building 4, STC New Southgate c 1972

Speed kills - here they move so slow you die of old age.
 
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