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We are seriously thinking of getting another body soon and I was thinking of weighing up the 1D MkIII against whatever they are going to do with the 5D upgrade.

5D+grip+decent lens might be more expensive than MkIII and as much as I would like to go FF I simply wonder if the 1,3x sensor (especially with digicIII) isn't as good or better?:shrug:

August is round the corner and no speculation yet?:suspect: :bonk:
 
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That said, the day they launch a f/2,8 constant version of the 24-120 VR I will buy one immediately and put it on a D80 or whatever the similar model is at that time!!

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Anton. Ignore the unclean. This is a really big consideration and when I have asked three pros recently they could not come up with a different answer to what you are saying; if you can afford, go for it. If you think it's a bit too far go for the 5D.

Good luck and let us know what you go for.
 
PS : I had a canon until I met Joe, I was converted :notworthy: :lol:
 
HIMUPNORTH said:
Anton. Ignore the unclean. This is a really big consideration and when I have asked three pros recently they could not come up with a different answer to what you are saying; if you can afford, go for it. If you think it's a bit too far go for the 5D.

Good luck and let us know what you go for.
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Ahh, the voice of reason at last...:D

The biggest concern here is buying a 5D - awesome camera as I'm sure it is - and a month later the 6D launches...

So if they don't come up with a decent FF upgrade say, by September, chances are we will get a MkIII then...:shrug:

Cheers m8!:thumbs:
 
Well, Anton, you've only got yourself to blame! You did ask for honest advice..... ;)

Nikon users only tell the truth.... and they hold back from ridicule and rhetoric! :clap:
 
whats your main type of photography ?

If your worthy....go full frame ;)


Not seen any confirmed rumours about a 5d upgrade and my local dealer hadn't been tipped off to a change either.
 
As a long time 1D II user that's just got a 5D, this should be a fairly easy choice to make. The two series have very different strengths and both are not short of weaknesses either.

The 1 series is rugged, weather proofed, feels just right (if you like solid kit) and will track a moving object with astonishing precision and let you have 9 or so bites a second at capturing it. The menu system and buttons are totally different to all the other series and once you get used to it, works really well.

The 5D produces better quality images and obviously FF really opens up your wide lenses. Even telephotos still have a better reach despite the bigger sensor due to the much higher pixel count. It will not track like a 1 body, nor will it offer you a decent motordrive speed. It feels flimsy by comparision and even manages to move around on the tripod more, (still perfectly usable of course but just doesn't feel as good).

In short, if you shoot moving subject out doors where the elements play a part get a 1 series. If you shoot single frames at time, of things that stay still then the 5 will suit better.

Have both and you're pretty much armed for anything. ;)
 
dazzajl said:
As a long time 1D II user that's just got a 5D, this should be a fairly easy choice to make. The two series have very different strengths and both are not short of weaknesses either.

The 1 series is rugged, weather proofed, feels just right (if you like solid kit) and will track a moving object with astonishing precision and let you have 9 or so bites a second at capturing it. The menu system and buttons are totally different to all the other series and once you get used to it, works really well.

The 5D produces better quality images and obviously FF really opens up your wide lenses. Even telephotos still have a better reach despite the bigger sensor due to the much higher pixel count. It will not track like a 1 body, nor will it offer you a decent motordrive speed. It feels flimsy by comparision and even manages to move around on the tripod more, (still perfectly usable of course but just doesn't feel as good).

In short, if you shoot moving subject out doors where the elements play a part get a 1 series. If you shoot single frames at time, of things that stay still then the 5 will suit better.

Have both and you're pretty much armed for anything. ;)
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You sum up my dilemma beautifully!:D

Owning both would be first prize but the thickness of the wallet prevents that from happening in the next year or so.

To be fair, the paying jobs we do are weddings and functions so this sways it in favour of the 5.

With the MkIII I now wonder if the image quality isn't very close or possibly better?:shrug:

Further, of course, I would hate to see some 6D or 5D Mk II launch when my new 5D is a month old!!
 
Why don't you wait until September, it is rumored (once again) that the 1Ds MKIII will be out, if so, the prices of the 1Ds MKII will plummet, making it possibly an affordable alternative?
You would get all the benefits of 1 series body, FF and better resolution than a 5D?
 
You're talking digital cameras. There'll ALWAYS be something new and allegedly better just a few months around the corner. I have to say it Canon are probably the worst at doing this to it's customer base. (I'll be honest Nikon seemed like it was going that way with the D50/D40/D80 releases).

It's like chasing your tail. You never get there - where ever "there" is!

I've always maintained that whatever you get you made your purchase as an informed choice so - be happy with what you get. It'll cost you too many Rand to follow the manufacturers' dreams which become your dreams. And let's face it - who fuels those dreams? :shrug: Are they in the business of producing a commodity or making money?
 
If I was getting a new body it would be 18 and a size 6 but I'm assuming that isn't where your question lies.
 
Les McLean said:
Why don't you wait until September, it is rumored (once again) that the 1Ds MKIII will be out, if so, the prices of the 1Ds MKII will plummet, making it possibly an affordable alternative?
You would get all the benefits of 1 series body, FF and better resolution than a 5D?
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This is a very valid point with one little concern in my mind.

I have heard that the 5D handles noise and high ISO much better than the 1Ds Mk II - which is to be expected due to the fact that the technology in the 5D is much more modern than the 1 Ds...

I suppose what I really am hoping for is a weather sealed FF 5D upgrade with a DiGic III...

Then the whole grip thing sways me towards the 1 series - a 5D grip down here goes for about 2,5k and a 5D body goes for about 27-28k whereas the 1D Mk III goes for about 37k...not much of a stretch to the 1d series then after all...:shrug:
 
chuckles said:
You're talking digital cameras. There'll ALWAYS be something new and allegedly better just a few months around the corner. I have to say it Canon are probably the worst at doing this to it's customer base. (I'll be honest Nikon seemed like it was going that way with the D50/D40/D80 releases).

It's like chasing your tail. You never get there - where ever "there" is!

I've always maintained that whatever you get you made your purchase as an informed choice so - be happy with what you get. It'll cost you too many Rand to follow the manufacturers' dreams which become your dreams. And let's face it - who fuels those dreams? :shrug: Are they in the business of producing a commodity or making money?
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Very true Chuckles - all of it!

For that very reason I am not about to make any rash decisions and will also buy any model a good few months after it launches. I bought my 350D hot off the line and paid R 10 500.00 for the body alone...They now go for less than half that:bang: :bang: :bang:

Only problem is the way the missus and I work together on a job, we need two bodies and we are now both getting used to the 20D to the point where we don't want to use the 350 on paying jobs .....

When we eventually move into the 1d Mk xx/5D Mk x range we will most likely carry the 20 and 30d for back up bodies because flogging them 2nd hand here is crazy - might as well bin them when they finally stop working.

That should be a good few years from now!
 
h.r.ford said:
If I was getting a new body it would be 18 and a size 6 but I'm assuming that isn't where your question lies.
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:lol: And here I thought 36D would feature somewhere in those specs:nuts: :naughty:



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For me it would be the 1 series every time, the build quality, the built in vertical grip, the weather proofing etc. The 1.3X crop still gives you pretty wide from your wide angle lenses and if you're using the likes of a 17-40 or 16-35 you've still got the equivalent of 20-22 mm at the wide end. It's not so long ago that was considered ultra wide.
 
Come on AR - you know you shouldn't listen to Nikon users as they are happy to settle for second best and then snipe at the big boys in a fit of pique. Even Arkady knows that a Nikon makes a better bullet deflector than a camera :D

Save the pennies and go for the 1Ds MkII. Its a little misguided to suggest that prices will plummet, but there will be an appreciable reduction as and when, or even if the 1Ds mKii is replaced this year. Its a beauty and will be perfect for your needs
 
It really all depends what you mainly photograph doesn't it? Even with a 1DS Mk2 I'd just end up cropping more for most small bird shots than I do now, so I don't see an advantage even with 16 million pixels, unless somebdy wants to do the maths and convince me otherwise?
 
dod said:
For me it would be the 1 series every time, the build quality, the built in vertical grip, the weather proofing etc. The 1.3X crop still gives you pretty wide from your wide angle lenses and if you're using the likes of a 17-40 or 16-35 you've still got the equivalent of 20-22 mm at the wide end. It's not so long ago that was considered ultra wide.
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This is exactly what I have been thinking. If and when the 5D is upgraded it might still not be weather sealed AND the grip is over and above+++

Cheers m8!:thumbs:

PS Very wide is not my greatest worry anyway as I have the EF-S 10-22 which will work on the 350 and the 20 or 30 for that matter - Would like to have ff though but then it must be part of a greater overall good package...
 
Jonnyreb said:
Come on AR - you know you shouldn't listen to Nikon users as they are happy to settle for second best and then snipe at the big boys in a fit of pique. Even Arkady knows that a Nikon makes a better bullet deflector than a camera :D

Save the pennies and go for the 1Ds MkII. Its a little misguided to suggest that prices will plummet, but there will be an appreciable reduction as and when, or even if the 1Ds mKii is replaced this year. Its a beauty and will be perfect for your needs
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About all they are good for...:lol: They don't have the sleek sexy lines of any Canon...too much drag generated by said ugly lines so they won't even throw:boxer: very far...:D :lol:


:suspect: Besides, since I heard that some wise and revered forum members gob in Nikons...:shrug:

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1Ds Mk II at a BARGAIN goes for 60k down here so can I pm you my bank details?:nuts:
 
CT said:
It really all depends what you mainly photograph doesn't it? Even with a 1DS Mk2 I'd just end up cropping more for most small bird shots than I do now, so I don't see an advantage even with 16 million pixels, unless somebdy wants to do the maths and convince me otherwise?
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Very valid point - probably my greatest consideration after the lack of thickness in the wallet!
 
I got rid of my 5D and got another 1D MK II. For outdoor use its a 1 series all the way for me. It doesn't buy me anything on the telephoto as the pixel density is the same as with a 5D so you can just apply the 1.3 crop in post. However, 1 series cameras are bomb proof and that was the swinger for me. That and the fact I found 5D controls easy to nudge and move accidentally, causing me to miss a few shots.
 
Anton Roland said:
That said, the day they launch a f/2,8 constant version of the 24-120 VR I will buy one immediately and put it on a D80 or whatever the similar model is at that time!!
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A 5x zoom range is too big for a f/2.8 lens without some serious optical compromises. I would see it being more in the region of a 24-120 VR f/4 to match (I really mean BETTER) Canons 24-105 f/4 IS.

My 24-120 VR is perfectly sharp wide open. Dont really see what all the fuss is about. You can also put the softness down to human error. Some dont allow time for the VR to settle before taking a photograph. This can result in an unstable photograph being taken with image blur. You have to remember that this was the first lens to incorporate Nikon's VR technology. Learn how to use it and you will be fine (not directed at you but in general).

As for your debate on what camera to buy,...

You never really know what is around the corner and playing the waiting game can result in waiting a very long time before you upgrade. When the 5D Mk II or 6D is released they will already be working on the 5d Mk III / 7D. Viscous circle.

As you mentioned the DIGIC III CPU is very capable. Does the 1.3x crop have a huge impact on image quality over a full frame body? Personally I dont think it does. If anything it is an advantage as you are using more of the centre portion of the lens projection and getting that little bit more edge detail/sharpness.

Personally, if I had the cash I would cough up for the 1D MkIII.

Hope this helps.

King.
 
grumpybadger said:
That and the fact I found 5D controls easy to nudge and move accidentally, causing me to miss a few shots.
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THIS is the stuff I have been looking for!! Thanks for that:thumbs:
 
This is a typical situation for me.

Uncropped with the 1DMK2n

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After cropping

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All a full frame camera would mean for me was the same sized image on the sensor, but more cropping, and this was taken at 1000mm and 30 feet tops! I can actually fill the frame better with shorter lenses and by getting closer, but that isn't always possible, and can introduce real DOF problems too.

I know Andy Rouse uses a 1DS Mk2, but there's a world of difference between shooting bears in Alaska and garden birds in the UK, apart from the obvious danger of said bear ripping your head off and being sick in the hole. :D You need to keep you bottle anyway when those Long Tail Tits burst from cover - and sometimes they're mob handed! :eek:

Seriously I can probably just about make the Alamy image standard with the above crop, (mebbe), so the answer for me is a lot more pixels on the same sensor - but no noise thanks.
 
King_Boru said:
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You have to remember that this was the first lens to incorporate Nikon's VR technology. Learn how to use it and you will be fine (not directed at you but in general).

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King.
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Actually, the first Nikkor to incorporate VR was the 80-400mm f4-f5.6 - a really good lens but a little slow in the focussing department....

It's very valid statement you make about giving the VR time to "settle". We have two 24-120 zooms. Both are really good performers. Could do with the optics being a bit faster though.....
 
King_Boru said:
You never really know what is around the corner and playing the waiting game can result in waiting a very long time before you upgrade. When the 5D Mk II or 6D is released they will already be working on the 5d Mk III / 7D. Viscous circle.

Hope this helps.

King.
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This is why I check out thoroughly before I buy and then work it to death!:D
 
CT said:
This is a typical situation for me.

Uncropped with the 1DMK2n

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After cropping

OY8N7642-01.jpg


All a full frame camera would mean for me was the same sized image on the sensor, but more cropping, and this was taken at 1000mm and 30 feet tops! I can actually fill the frame better with shorter lenses and by getting closer, but that isn't always possible, and can introduce real DOF problems too.

I know Andy Rouse uses a 1DS Mk2, but there's a world of difference between shooting bears in Alaska and garden birds in the UK, apart from the obvious danger of said bear ripping your head off and being sick in the hole. :D You need to keep you bottle anyway when those Long Tail Tits burst from cover - and sometimes they're mob handed! :eek:

Seriously I can probably just about make the Alamy image standard with the above crop, (mebbe), so the answer for me is a lot more pixels on the same sensor - but no noise thanks.
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This type of cropping makes the 1 Ds a very nice upmarket 5 Mp camera then doesn't it:thinking: :D
 
chuckles said:
Actually, the first Nikkor to incorporate VR was the 80-400mm f4-f5.6 - a really good lens but a little slow in the focussing department....

It's very valid statement you make about giving the VR time to "settle". We have two 24-120 zooms. Both are really good performers. Could do with the optics being a bit faster though.....
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[S4]I Stand corrected - Thanks![/S4]

Agree about the optics being faster. But when the situation arises I simply bump the ISO (usually from 100 to 200). Maybe we will see an f/4 constant aperture,...
 
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