Hired a 200-400mm f4 L IS USM Extender 1.4x Lens for the weekend

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I've got hold of one of these bad boys for the weekend to see if it is as good as the Canon Ambassadors say it is. Some of them say its a game changer. We will see.

I have a couple of footy matches over the weekend and will see if it's an improved combination together with the 70-200 f2.8 over my current 400 f2.8 II and the 70-200 f2.8

My thoughts in advance are that I may be able to get some shots without the need for such heavy cropping in post and that I may not have to swap to the second camera as often and so reduce the chances of missing that crucial shot.

Interesting couple of days ahead

Will report back on my findings, thoughts and impressions
 
WOAH! that lens is a beast.
Id like to see if someone can zoom from 400mm to 200mm to get a cele in time!
 
ive been using a nikon 200-400 and 70-200 this summer and as you mention I barely go to the 70-200 at all

prior to that I was using a 300 + 1.4x

its a very different experience, ive had a few occasions where ive missed a close up with my 70-200 because ive held onto the 200-400 longer than I would have done with a fixed

be interested to read your thoughts after youve used it
 
I've used, but never owned, the Nikon version which was impressive. I'll be interested in your feedback, although the chances of me ever being in a position to buy one of these are, to put it mildly, remote!
 
f4? and f5.6 with extender? hmmm not for me thanks.. only usefeul part of year..



ADDYONBIT
haa right.. didnt see the built in extender bit.. does it go f5.6 when that kicks in?
 
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Yup, sure does, wouldn't want to be shooting night games at f/4 or f/5.6 even with a 1DX

3pm games in winter.. deffo second half for most of winter..

looks like a good lens.. but only usefull for maybe 3 months of football season and then only for sat matches..

maybe with a 2dx or 3dx?: )
 
I agree with what Gary and Tony are saying, that it will only be useful for some of the season.

However I look forward to the results. What games are you shooting?

I'd wish I had the 400/2.8 II like you rather than the 300.
 
I shot f/4 with the extender last night for about 20 minutes then the heavens opened, took it off and set Auto ISO with a SS of 1/800th, looked at them this morning and a couple went up to ISO 51,200 in the pitch black hole in the corner of the ground

These 2 here http://gcsports.zenfolio.com/p829843575/h67de38c0#h67de38c0 and here http://gcsports.zenfolio.com/p829843575/h67de38c0#h6ceec922 there were more but they were OOF

I'm not surprised to be honest.

I didn't realise until about 20 minutes from the end that I'd not set AutoISO go as high as possible (shooting f/4 on a 100-300), so was wondering why some of the shots were coming out pitch blackish..

The difference once I sorted it out was pretty noticeable.
 
Hi Rob, did you get anything worth bothering with second half, i left with about 10 mins left and listened to it on Radio Leeds and they said was the worst error strewn 40 minutes they had watched all season, bloody awful second half, at least it stopped raining most of second half, as i was driving away there was some big lightning strikes locally, lit up the whole sky.
 
Hi Rob, did you get anything worth bothering with second half, i left with about 10 mins left and listened to it on Radio Leeds and they said was the worst error strewn 40 minutes they had watched all season, bloody awful second half, at least it stopped raining most of second half, as i was driving away there was some big lightning strikes locally, lit up the whole sky.


Got about half a dozen. The try was in the darkest bit of the ground, so was the brawl.. Still, got something to remember to check for next time now. :D

At least the thunderstorm was worth watching.
 
The shots I have seen that you uploaded looked pretty good to me with the 200-400.

What did you think?

Cracking shot of Bamford heading the ball even if that wasn't with it.
 
Think I just saw you Nigel on The Football league show with the big beast :D
 
Well, I've just recovered from 2 days with the 200-400mm and here are my findings from 2 footy games, MK Dons v Bristol City and Watford v Notts Forest.

The two games provided very different shooting conditions. MK Dons was wet and dreary and I was able to sit on the goal lines, where I prefer. Watford was bright and sunny, but us types are only able to sit between the goal line and the 18 yard line on one side of the pitch only (Getty get to sit on the goal lines)

Just to say I normally shoot with a 70-200 f2.8 II with 1Dx and a 400mm f2.8 II with a second 1Dx

The 200-400 is that it focusses fast and accurately and is as easy to handle as the 400. Being able to zoom took quite a bit of getting used to and added something else to think about.

The big advantage is that you can pick up an advancing player and stay with him on a run for much longer. You can also get full frame shots in a much larger area of the pitch. More opportunities presented itself.

I know this is stating the obvious, but it does take some getting used to after using just the 400mm for distance. The result is, I took far more shots of the game, especially the second, Watford game (530 with the 200-400mm, whereas my usual number of shots is in the 150-200 with the 400mm)

Previously, the majority of my shots at a game has been with the 70-200, but with the 200-400, this statistic was reversed. I found myself holding on to the 200-400mm for a lot longer than usual. This was to my detriment on one occasion at the MK Dons game when I missed a scoring shot while changing cameras all too late :bonk:

I found it easier to pick up the action at 200mm then zoom in and track to get a better composition too.

Now for the built in 1.4x extender. I used this sparingly as it takes the aperture down to f5.6 with the resulting increase in DOF that this brings. All us sports photographers know about isolating the subject with shallow DOF, don't we. I only used the extender when the ball was right up the other end for corners and free kicks and also for some stock shots of defenders at the other end and managers on the side line. I set the 1Dx to auto ISO because I didn't want to have to waste time altering this manually to achieve a good exposure when swapping the extender in and out.

I could go on about this lens, but time for a summary. Cracking quality, quick and accurate focussing, opens up opportunities to get action shots in the middle of the pitch and towards you, less swapping of cameras and the added bonus of 560mm if and when needed.

On the down side, zooming is an extra activity and takes a bit of getting used to after having the 400mm, the extra stop when using the 1.4x extender is a problem for isolating subjects and needs a higher ISO to maintain 1000th shutter speed.

And then there's the cost, £12k is a lot of dosh. I could buy one tomorrow if I wanted to, but I won't, even though I could claim back the vat. I need to improve as a photographer using the kit I have first and learn to live without that flexibility between the 200mm of the 70-200mm and the fixed focal length of the 400mm.
 
Good of you to do a write of up of such length Nigel.

From what you say and what has been said before about dark nights I think this would be great to have for those days when the light is good but the cost is just too high.

300mm is the longest I have and would love to have a 400.

Even with the 300 I am still struggling with changing from that to the 70-200.

Did you get any usage from these two games? I have looked at some of your images and thing they are really good.
 
Just buy a Sigma 120-300mm f/2.8 and add a Sigma 1.4x extender and have more flexibility with 168mm-420mm and save £10,000 into the bargain, oh and the Sigma is an f/2.8 lens when needed, the Canon is a very limiting f/4 or f/5.6

Absolute waste of money.
 
Yes Gary is right of course. At £12k it's just daft money unless that kind of money is peanuts.

From a business point of view how many photos would you need to get publishes to get your money back???
 
Yes Gary is right of course. At £12k it's just daft money unless that kind of money is peanuts.

From a business point of view how many photos would you need to get publishes to get your money back???
Doesnt come into the equation Rob, you'd still get those same pictures published if you were usaing a straight 400mm and 70-200mm combo

And possibly less with the 200-400mm as you'll be shooting a full stop higher and noisier, at some grounds under some lights you might actually have to walk away at f/4
 
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Haven't seen any usage from either game. I'd be very surprised to get any Watford usage as we all get the same shots and are all crammed in to the same area and the Getty, AP and AI boys get first dibs :(

A further thought on the 200-400.........

Most of the papers use goal or cele shots anyway, and they more often or not come from the 70-200.

On a plus note, the 4G dongle from EE was brilliant at both grounds :)
 
Nice to read someones comments on the lens, I was lucky enough to give this a try last year at the Olympics and did like the lens and took some great pictures with it.
But I don't like it enough to justify the costs of it - and to have f4 as the lowest I can go on a dark night in Carmarthen (for example), just wouldn't be feasible at all.
We'll see - hopefully in two/three years the price of this lens comes down to a more reasonable level. Then I might consider it.
 
You could almost get a 1Dx and the new 400/2.8 II for the price of one of those. I imagine plenty of situations when it would a great lens e.g. Olympics

The replacement for the 1Dx in a few years may also be a stop better noise wise which would help for those darker days.
 
seems an all round dead loass to me.. shame.. a 200-400 f2.8 would be nice :)

i can change 400 to 70-200 quick enough nowerdays so not really an issue...

but i do need another 1dx.. but gotta find a cheap used one..if someone like ME is selling one.. 235k clicks on mine :) thought the lighting at burnley last night was a bit poor.. tonight accy v cardiff i dont even envisage using the 400 after for 30 mins.. will just be using 1dx and 70-200.. can get half the pitch wiht that and quality good enough to crop in..
 
i can change 400 to 70-200 quick enough nowerdays so not really an issue...

Something I still struggle with at times

thought the lighting at burnley last night was a bit poor.. tonight accy v cardiff i dont even envisage using the 400 after for 30 mins.. will just be using 1dx and 70-200.. can get half the pitch wiht that and quality good enough to crop in.

A while before I have to worry about that as not shooting any night games. Lights at Charlton and Millwall aren't too bad.
 
Hi Nigel,did u test if the 200-400mm is a parfocal lens throughout the zoom and with extender activated?
 
Just buy a Sigma 120-300mm f/2.8 and add a Sigma 1.4x extender and have more flexibility with 168mm-420mm and save £10,000 into the bargain, oh and the Sigma is an f/2.8 lens when needed, the Canon is a very limiting f/4 or f/5.6

Absolute waste of money.

The difference in image quality between the Canon 200-400 and the Sigma solution is night and day.

Getty were heavily involved in the testing of the 200-400 (and used it extensively during London 2012). It's an amazing lens.
 
The difference in image quality between the Canon 200-400 and the Sigma solution is night and day.

Getty were heavily involved in the testing of the 200-400 (and used it extensively during London 2012). It's an amazing lens.
No one is denying its an amazing lens but its not £10,000 more amazing nor is it an f/2.8 lens pound for pound its terrible given its not even f/2.8
 
In great light it will come into its own, but for me its not an option at f/4.0 and f/5.6 with TC engaged. It wont get the usage it deserves.
 
No one is denying its an amazing lens but its not £10,000 more amazing nor is it an f/2.8 lens pound for pound its terrible given its not even f/2.8

You missed the point; it's the best lens that can do 200-400. There are many times you can only have one body and if you want the best image quality across that range, that's how much it costs.
 
I know in the real world we can't discount the cost.

However this lens will be around for quite some time. So F/4 and 5.6 may be more than good enough with the next two updates of the 1Dx.
 
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