Have used the Nikon D3 and the D300.

Diego Garcia

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Got to use a Nikon D3 and a D300 last night and this morning.

First of all, the D3. What a machine. Slightly bigger than the D2X/s, I have to say that the high ISO is amazing, and to me as good as the Mark III that I own - though Nikon claim it is two stops better, the proof will be in a real world test under poor flood lights. The back screen in very nice, nearing 1 million pixels, it is razor sharp. As before, the two dials effect a button push such as ISO etc. Personally, I find Nikon menus to cumbersome but having always shot Canon its a moot point and would be easy to get used to it. It automatically recognises DX lenses and sets the camera up in crop mode, which can be turned off.

Has some new unique features, such as picture sets, which is fully customisable. For instance if you like a style/way someone shoots you can down load that set and load it to your machine, perhaps to mimic a style that a pro landscaper may use. Nikon expects 'picture sets' to retail on individual sites whilst other users may simply give them away? Who knows?

It also has something called scene recognition where the camera can automatically detect skin tone hues of all colours and prioritise the 'human' subject. We asked if this was based on the demigraphic/location and Nikon advised that in test, they found very little difference in the skin tones and hues of all races. Interesting. I do hope that DSLR's are not ebbing toward the naff features found on compacts though.

Overall, the D3 is superb camera but at £3.5K I am not sure if I could or would pay that for it.

Oddly, the old wireless transmitters have been rendered useless with the D3 as they are not backward compatible. I was talking with many pro's and Nikon this morning and the general feeling among the pro scene is 'gutted', more expense. Whats odd is that the new wi-fi unit now sits in your pocket tethered to the camera via usb which in my mind is not true wi-fi - that said, the laptop can sit in the bag like before. Strange decision though.

I found the D300 to be much of a muchness. The high ISO is not in the same league as the D3, which stands to reason given the sensor size. However, 1600 ISO was very noisy to me eyes, although I only viewed on the back screen. To me, the D300 did not feel like a big step up from the D200 though Nikon state it is in ISO and focusing. I would not drop £1400.00 on it at the moment and after playing with a Sony 700 ealier this week, I would go for that every time. (I think).

In summary, the Nikon babies are nice, but I will stay with Canon. If I could take one thing across it would be the double delete rather than delete and dial, but thats hardly new is it.

UK street date is Nov 21st 2007 - small quantities.

Sorry for the brief review, never been much of a pixel peeper - I prefer taking pictures!!!!

Pete.
 
Jammy ***

I want to play too :D

Wish I could afford the D3, but a D300 will suffice for now
 
I've had a go with some raw files from the A700 and if the sensor is the same in the D300, it would be rather nice.

There is quite a bit of noise at ISO 1600, but it's veeery fine 'grained' and it doesn't really destroy much detail if any.
They were not real life shots, though. I'd love to see some of those.

Btw., have you guys seen the sample shots Oly E-3?
For such a small sensor, ISO 800 is very nice, although it's more like between ISO 800 and ISO 1600 on my D50, probably closer to ISO 1600 but a lot finer. What got my attention most was that all the shots seemed to be very well focused and since there were some nice sports photos, I'd say the claim about speedy AF with the new camera and lenses isn't complete hype, although I'd take it with a small grain of salt.
 
Never mind the nikon stuff tell me more about the A700 Diego.
 
Here is a shot I took on a new Nikkor VR 200mm F2 lens, attached to a D3, at ISO 3200 for those interested. OUt of the camera, no noiseware just resized for the forum, though pushed the exposure comp 1 stop at 1/800th.

Nik3200.jpg
 
Never mind the nikon stuff tell me more about the A700 Diego.

Kev, the 700 is superb. Excellent PQ but above all, its a machine that has evolved and is rammed full of very cool features, like the 100 before it, which I never rated. Very stylish too. Silly things like the auto rotate when shooting in landscape and portrait mode. Hard to explain, but seemed like terrific value though I still think something like a 40D will eek more detail and get a better shot, the 700 is a nice camera.
 
Jammy ***

I want to play too :D

Wish I could afford the D3, but a D300 will suffice for now


Why not get the D200 for about £400 less, and that gap will get even bigger as shops panic to get rid of stock....

Apart from LiveView - which as I'm a landscaper is totally pointless, and will only flatten the battery quicker - I can't see enough differences to make it £400 more....

D200 all the way for me (assuming I don't go down the Medium Format film route that I keep thinking about)


Si
 
I have a D200 that has just passed 40k shutter actuations and is 19 months old. The extra FPS and extra focusing points the D300 offers over the D200 are a big selling point for me.
 
I have a D200 that has just passed 40k shutter actuations and is 19 months old. The extra FPS and extra focusing points the D300 offers over the D200 are a big selling point for me.

Same here, along with the better noise handling capabilities I'm looking forward to seeing how it compares.
 
Cheers Pete. Did you get to handle it at LCE or elsewhere? There's still not many places advertising it over here so there's no real clue as to when it'll be available or how much the shop price will be.
 
Right, I get really miffed with improper noise tests. From reading the mini review there seems to be an extreme bias toward Canon, giving the new Nikon bodies a disadvantage from the start. Working with high ISO is is very different to working at ISO100 as the "margin for error is slimmer". It is imperative that correct exposure is achieved in camera as fine tuning post processing (from underexposure) will develop further grain, which is solely down to the photographer/software. The same applies to all ISO's but becomes critical, like I said when working with higher.
 
Cheers Pete. Did you get to handle it at LCE or elsewhere? There's still not many places advertising it over here so there's no real clue as to when it'll be available or how much the shop price will be.

No - was invited to a pro only test day. Released 21st Nov, small amounts £3500.00 - hope this helps.
 
Right, I get really miffed with improper noise tests. From reading the mini review there seems to be an extreme bias toward Canon, giving the new Nikon bodies a disadvantage from the start. Working with high ISO is is very different to working at ISO100 as the "margin for error is slimmer". It is imperative that correct exposure is achieved in camera as fine tuning post processing (from underexposure) will develop further grain, which is solely down to the photographer/software. The same applies to all ISO's but becomes critical, like I said when working with higher.

King, in no way is this biased to Nikon, in fact I love Nikon too, simply pointed out that yes I shoot Canon and that there was nothing on offer to make me sway - at the moment. As I said, it was a brief summary, not an exhaustive review.

Pete.
 
I've just had a look at the BH Photovideo site in New York, the D3 works out at roughly £2450 and the D300 at less than £850. Another example of overcharging in this country. :bang:

If I was buying that is where I would go - you could fly over, pick it up, fly back and still be quids in.
 
Thats what i'm doing for picking up my 1Dsmk3.

A friend is buying it out of state from B&H so you save on the 8% State tax they add on.
(If you buy from B&H over the counter they add 8% sales tax even if you not a resident and you canot claim it back ive tried on numerous occasions)

I'm flying into NY and staying there a few days, my friend is then UPS ing to my Hotel and I post the boxes home, and bring it back with me.

Saving myself approx £2K on UK prices.
 
No - was invited to a pro only test day. Released 21st Nov, small amounts £3500.00 - hope this helps.

Wires crossed mate, I was still on about the Sony, sorry. I know with Sony you pay for the name but £3.5k is a bit much for the A700;)
 
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