Has anyone used a Godox ad360

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I'm looking at buying a more powerfull flash for outside use and I've not got a massive budget, I came across this flash godox ad360 has anyone had any experience with these

Thanks Mickey
 
Lencarta sells this branded as the Atom 360. It's a brilliant bit of kit, but not cheap. The same thing is sold by various other people under various other names.

What you've actually linked to is the protective head cap for it, priced at $16.99 , not the flash. We bundle it free, and also sell it separately for £4.99
 
Thanks for that Gary, I was going to buy from the USA at just under £400 plus about £47 pp, I'd much prefer to keep it uk just incase of problems.

How much more power is there compared to let's say a canon 430 speedlight?

Also do lencarta sell the trigger that sits on top of camera ?

And also do the modifiers from other brands fit the atom ?

Thanks again

Mickey
 
It's your choice obviously, but if you import from outside the EU and then pay 4% duty + 20% VAT on top you will actually lose out.
And, in effect, you would have no warranty.

The Atom is the same as the Godox Wistro, which is also sold under the names of Calumet and Interfit, plus other names in other places, such as Cheetah in the US so yes, all the accessories will fit as they are all the same.

Yes, we do sell the trigger/remote, we call it the Wavesync
Compared to the Canon 430, it's a lot more powerful. Canon don't release power figures, but my guess is that the 430 is probably around 60 Ws compared to the 360 Ws of the Atom 360, so something like 6 times the power.
 
Garry Edwards said:
It's your choice obviously, but if you import from outside the EU and then pay 4% duty + 20% VAT on top you will actually lose out.
And, in effect, you would have no warranty.

The Atom is the same as the Godox Wistro, which is also sold under the names of Calumet and Interfit, plus other names in other places, such as Cheetah in the US so yes, all the accessories will fit as they are all the same.

Yes, we do sell the trigger/remote, we call it the Wavesync
Compared to the Canon 430, it's a lot more powerful. Canon don't release power figures, but my guess is that the 430 is probably around 60 Ws compared to the 360 Ws of the Atom 360, so something like 6 times the power.
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Thanks for your help you've probably saved me a massive headache
Ill be on my PC later on make the purchase
 
gary996 said:
Got mine for £300. Came from Portsmouth.
That was the flash, the battery and the triggers
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Gary Is that the atom from lencarta or another brand?
Also where in Portsmouth ?

Thanks
 
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gary996 said:
Got mine for £300. Came from Portsmouth.
That was the flash, the battery and the triggers
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Is that the ebay store with the whacky pricing?

They sell a 300watt Godox flash head for £70 but want £79 for a bag of 10 'background clamps' you can get from the pound shop. I've never seen anything like it. :eek:
 
Phil V said:
Is that the ebay store with the whacky pricing?

They sell a 300watt Godox flash head for £70 but want £79 for a bag of 10 'background clamps' you can get from the pound shop. I've never seen anything like it. :eek:
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I queried some silly prices with a large e bay seller and was told that when an item was out of stock, they hike the price up to a very high number so nobody orders it, but "we don't lose the listing."
 
HoppyUK said:
I queried some silly prices with a large e bay seller and was told that when an item was out of stock, they hike the price up to a very high number so nobody orders it, but "we don't lose the listing."
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On closer look, you're probably right.

But it's a different seller to the one with the 360.
 
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I queried some silly prices with a large e bay seller and was told that when an item was out of stock, they hike the price up to a very high number so nobody orders it, but "we don't lose the listing."
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That's 100% right, Ebay fees for premium listings are so high that sellers can't afford to take down their listings when items go out of stock.

Back to topic - your money, spend it wherever you like, but be careful...
A lot of the ebay sellers who claim to be in the UK in fact ship from Hong Kong, and make false Customs declarations about contents and value - if you're happy to evade VAT and duty then fine, but if it all goes horribly wrong it will be your problem, not the seller's problem.
You can in fact buy these products very cheaply, or at least they seem cheap.

I've found one for just £281.99, and that sounds too good to be true.
and it is, because it doesn't mention on the listing that it doesn't include the powerpack, the battery or the cable, which means that it can't actually be used.

So, you pay £281.99 for something that you can't use, it hasn't been misdescribed because the seller doesn't actually claim that the powerpack, battery and cable are included.
They claim to be somewhere in middlesex, but are in fact registered in Hong Kong.
Good luck if you ever have a warranty claim - hang on a minute, there's no warranty anyway, so forget that bit...
 
Garry Edwards said:
That's 100% right, Ebay fees for premium listings are so high that sellers can't afford to take down their listings when items go out of stock.

Back to topic - your money, spend it wherever you like, but be careful...
A lot of the ebay sellers who claim to be in the UK in fact ship from Hong Kong, and make false Customs declarations about contents and value - if you're happy to evade VAT and duty then fine, but if it all goes horribly wrong it will be your problem, not the seller's problem.
You can in fact buy these products very cheaply, or at least they seem cheap.

I've found one for just £281.99, and that sounds too good to be true.
and it is, because it doesn't mention on the listing that it doesn't include the powerpack, the battery or the cable, which means that it can't actually be used.

So, you pay £281.99 for something that you can't use, it hasn't been misdescribed because the seller doesn't actually claim that the powerpack, battery and cable are included.
They claim to be somewhere in middlesex, but are in fact registered in Hong Kong.
Good luck if you ever have a warranty claim - hang on a minute, there's no warranty anyway, so forget that bit...
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And that's the key word (warranty) I'd much prefer to paye the extra knowing that I've got piece of mind

Thanks again
 
On another forum I'm a member of, there's a guy who's got the new Godox XExpert RS600P, which has developed a documented error, he's having a nightmare trying to get a resolution. A Safari would have cost him more, but he'd have got it sorted instantly.
 
It's an excellent bit of kit & well worth getting. I went for the Calumet version but purely because they were offering 30% off all own brand products at the time, making it a bargain. Otherwise I would have gone for the Atom.

Almost all of the accessories are interchangeable, but there's a big caveat. Godox changed the power socket in the head unit a while ago, so there are two versions out there. That's only really of interest if you intend buying ad dons like the 5m power lead ( which I did because the curly version is a PITA!

It's also well worth buying the Y coupler which draws power from both battery sockets & speeds up recycle time.
 
If I have yn622c and yn622-tx triggers do I still need to buy the atom triggers?

Thanks Mickey
 
step72 said:
If I have yn622c and yn622-tx triggers do I still need to buy the atom triggers?

Thanks Mickey
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The atom triggers allow remote power adjustment, the Yongnuo triggers won't as they use the Canon ETTL protocols for adjusting flash power.

Whether that means you need to buy them?

If you're planning to buy any Lencarta or Godox studio flashes later, the Atom remote works for them too.
 
I have the Y connectors it makes them a lot quicker to charge. Also I have both types of cable design. My Godox one is the new type and my Wistro one is the other version, so my 5 meter lead will only work in the Wistro. But it doesn't bother me.
I have most of the accessories and have two of the S fit brackets, for my 95cm octabox and beauty dish.
As said you don't need the triggers if you have the YN622's. But you can keep the Godox trigger in your pocket to adjust power
 
gary996 said:
I have the Y connectors it makes them a lot quicker to charge. Also I have both types of cable design. My Godox one is the new type and my Wistro one is the other version, so my 5 meter lead will only work in the Wistro. But it doesn't bother me.
I have most of the accessories and have two of the S fit brackets, for my 95cm octabox and beauty dish.
As said you don't need the triggers if you have the YN622's. But you can keep the Godox trigger in your pocket to adjust power
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For the sake of clarity...
The make is Godox
The model is Wistro.
The cable connector design on the original model of the 360 ONLY was flawed, this was changed a long time ago, and the 260 was also changed to make life simpler.
Extra long cables (these are 5m cables as an alternative to the standard shorter cable, not an extension cable) is available with both fittings.
For identification, the original fitting had a plug/socket with 3 pins in a line. The replacement one is very similar but there is a piece of plastic separating one connector from the other two. AFAIK the stock of the original designs was dumped onto the Hong Kong Ebay market so most Hong Kong sellers (even if they claim to be in Southampton, middlesex or wherever) will be supplying the model with the original fitting.
 
gary996 said:
As said you don't need the triggers if you have the YN622's. But you can keep the Godox trigger in your pocket to adjust power
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That's right. There's also a very useful workaround if, for example, you want to use both hotshoe flashguns and the Atom (or Safari, ElitePro 2 or SmartFlash 2 for that matter). And/or if you wish to use a Hypersync trigger such as the YN-622 to allow a faster than normal shutter speed.
Plug the YN-622 into the camera hotshoe. If you're using a normal hotshoe flashgun, plug another one into the flashgun, this will then trigger the flashgun
Plug the Wavesync Commander into the YN-622 passthrough hotshoe, you will now be able to use the Wavesync Commander to both trigger and remotely control your Lencarta flashes.
 
Garry Edwards said:
That's right. There's also a very useful workaround if, for example, you want to use both hotshoe flashguns and the Atom (or Safari, ElitePro 2 or SmartFlash 2 for that matter). And/or if you wish to use a Hypersync trigger such as the YN-622 to allow a faster than normal shutter speed.
Plug the YN-622 into the camera hotshoe. If you're using a normal hotshoe flashgun, plug another one into the flashgun, this will then trigger the flashgun
Plug the Wavesync Commander into the YN-622 passthrough hotshoe, you will now be able to use the Wavesync Commander to both trigger and remotely control your Lencarta flashes.
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There may be a much simpler and cheaper option that allows full use of long-tail sync. I intend to test tomorrow as I have used with the Safai Li-Ion and got 1/8000 without great issue. Trigger fits on camera (Nikon) and you would clip wave-sync to that on the pass thru - no need for an additional receiver and less than US$40

Mike
 
mike weeks said:
There may be a much simpler and cheaper option that allows full use of long-tail sync. I intend to test tomorrow as I have used with the Safai Li-Ion and got 1/8000 without great issue. Trigger fits on camera (Nikon) and you would clip wave-sync to that on the pass thru - no need for an additional receiver and less than US$40

Mike
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I'd be interested how this goes Mike, I couldn't get a reliable HSS on the Safari2 with the Yongnuos (Canon).
 
mike weeks said:
There may be a much simpler and cheaper option that allows full use of long-tail sync. I intend to test tomorrow as I have used with the Safai Li-Ion and got 1/8000 without great issue. Trigger fits on camera (Nikon) and you would clip wave-sync to that on the pass thru - no need for an additional receiver and less than US$40

Mike
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Mike, that is exactly what I said.

My reference to an extra receiver (transceiver) referred to plugging it in to a hotshoe flash, allowing a hotshoe flash to be used alongside our lights
 
Garry Edwards said:
Mike, that is exactly what I said.

My reference to an extra receiver (transceiver) referred to plugging it in to a hotshoe flash, allowing a hotshoe flash to be used alongside our lights
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Garry the YN622N does not have tuneable long tail sync, the triggers I have do and that is a big difference.

Mike
 
Would be interested to know how this compares in terms of F Stop with say a 580ex at max power at say 3m. Wattage isn't everything in terms of figuring out how much light a flash puts out. I actually think this is a serious deficiency in terms of how flash units are described as there is no standardization between studio heads, flash guns etc.
 
It's watt-seconds, not watts - massive difference - but I take your point.
Hotshoe flashgun manufacturers don't usually reveal the actual watt second figure but the best guess for the 580 is no more than 100 - 110.
What all manufacturers do do, accurately or not, is to publish a guide number. In the case of the 580, it's 58. The Atom 360 is massively higher at 80.
But the guide number is a poor indication of actual power - leaving aside different testing conditions, the Atom has a fairly wide angle standard reflector and the 580 has a highly polished, mirror-like built in reflector that either exaggerates or makes the most efficient use of the power (depending on viewpoint) and the published guide numbers usually refer to the maximum zoom setting, which exaggerates the figure further.
For something like an accurate comparison, either set the 580 zoom to 35mm to match the Atom or do a comparative test with each unit inside an umbrella or similar.
I haven't tested the Atom against the 580 but I think it will be 3 - 4 times as powerful
 
I've got the Calumet branded version of this. The Genesis GF400 and it's significantly more powerful than my SB-910.

I LOVE it and I totally agree with the point about getting it from a local supplier for the warranty. As I mentioned on another thread I went cheapy cheapy and got the N-flash 400w from eBay shipped from China. After 4 months it stopped working and of course they weren't interested. I now have a very expensive brick. To be honest it also wasn't that much more powerful than the SB-910 whereas the Genesis/Witstro/Atom is significantly more so.
 
I had a little time free this morning so I decided to do a video showing the power from my Genesis vs speedlight. I'm quite new to the whole making video thing so ignore any mistakes I've made whilst rambling. It's also not exactly scientific I'm sure some of you will be able to poke holes in my testing but hopefully gives you a rough idea of how many speedlights you'd need to replace the Genesis.

 
Puts out a lot of light doesn't it. Wonder how it compares in turn to a pack system like the Safari, or Elinchrom or Bowens. On paper, as I understand it at least (which might be wrong), it should be more powerful than Ranger quadra or the safari. For the Bowens, I guess it would depend on the head in question.
 
PeterF80 said:
Puts out a lot of light doesn't it. Wonder how it compares in turn to a pack system like the Safari, or Elinchrom or Bowens. On paper, as I understand it at least (which might be wrong), it should be more powerful than Ranger quadra or the safari. For the Bowens, I guess it would depend on the head in question.
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Well, as always it comes down to the fact that it has a different reflector to the other lights you mention, as standard. But put a S-fit adapter onto it and then fit the same reflector to each unit and it has rather less power than the Safari, which is afvailable in 600Ws and 1200Ws kits and probably about the same as the Quadra.
 
Thanks for the reply Gary, i think you missread my question when i asked "where in portsmouth" as in what's the name of the company ? not "where is portsmouth"

thanks Mickey
 
Thanks for all the help,I've now just purchased the Atom360 plus the grid

Thanks again Mickey
 
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