Has anyone else been having a problem with Flickr / the new forum

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Has anyone else been having a problem with Flickr / the new forum?

I've noticed when i post photos on here from Flickr that it's not showing any post processing editing that I've done on them

It will show the photo cropped etc but any adjustments to exposure and levels etc do not show until you click the link and view it in flickr

I know of a couple other people that's had this problem but I'm not sure if this is a across the board forum issue or Flickr issue?
 
I have no idea !

Things like cropping are translated but not changed to temperature levels etc

If you go to my thread autumn walks look at the photos as they appear on here , then click them and go to Flickr and view them there, you'll see what I mean
 
gothgirl said:
I have no idea !

Things like cropping are translated but not changed to temperature levels etc

If you go to my thread autumn walks look at the photos as they appear on here , then click them and go to Flickr and view them there, you'll see what I mean
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Just been and had a look at that thread, opening each photo in turn, and flicking between thread and Flickr, unless your changes are really subtle I'm not seeing a difference?
 
Hmmm

That's odd, I will have to have another look when I get on my laptop

The photos are a lot brighter than they are appearing on here
 
gothgirl said:
Hmmm

That's odd, I will have to have another look when I get on my laptop

The photos are a lot brighter than they are appearing on here
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That could be a trick of the eye, between the bright background here, and the dark background on Flickr :)
 
What you are suggesting is impossible. You upload ONE file to Flickr. That's what Flickr shows.

Can you post up screen grabs of this happening? A grab of what you see in flickr, and a grab of what you see in the forums once linked?

It could be (and most likely is) a colour profile issue.
 
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Yeah I'm going to have a go at this as soon as I'm on the laptop
 
From left to right you can see

Left the Jpeg on my laptop, Centre the image as it appears on TP, right the same image on Flicr....

See how the image on the right is better coloured, brigther, sharper, but the image as its appearing on TP is duller, and lower quality.

 
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Flickr seems more saturated than the forum post, but the same as yuour JPEG preview in Windows. Are you embedding the images with sRGB as a colour profile? If they're not tagged... most browsers will tend to over saturate somewhat. WHen you save your images, make sure you are embedding the sRGB profile. The Flickr image will be correct.. Windows is not colour managed in yoru case (or your browser is not colour managed)

Right click your desktop, select Screen Resolution, then Advanced Settings. Then click the Color Management Tab... then click the Color Management button. Make sure sRGB IEC61966-2.1 is set as default profile.


If that is not the problem... then the next likely culprit is that you are saving your images with Adobe RGB1998 or another wider gamut profile... which is a no no for online use as most browsers will render an Adobe RGB embedded image as undersaturated.. Embed sRGB as the colour profile.

Posting a link to the actual image on Flickr will settle this once and for all. It's 99% certainly a color profile issue.
 
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Half of what you said I don't get

I use photoshop cs5.1
Go to my autumn walks thread and you can see the links to Flickr there
 
Pookeyhead said:
Flickr seems more saturated than the forum post, but the same as yuour JPEG preview in Windows. Are you embedding the images with sRGB as a colour profile? If they're not tagged... most browsers will tend to over saturate somewhat. WHen you save your images, make sure you are embedding the sRGB profile. The Flickr image will be correct.. Windows is not colour managed in yoru case (or your browser is not colour managed)

Right click your desktop, select Screen Resolution, then Advanced Settings. Then click the Color Management Tab... then click the Color Management button. Make sure sRGB IEC61966-2.1 is set as default profile.


If that is not the problem... then the next likely culprit is that you are saving your images with Adobe RGB1998 or another wider gamut profile... which is a no no for online use as most browsers will render an Adobe RGB embedded image as undersaturated.. Embed sRGB as the colour profile.

Posting a link to the actual image on Flickr will settle this once and for all. It's 99% certainly a color profile issue.
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It seems you sir are correct about the RGB1998 colour profile.... However I am now faced with another issue... When I save the files, without the RGB1998... I am losing quality and adjustments, see two examples here, one saved in RAW and one saved in PS not using RGB1998

What do I need to do to improve this ?
 
What do you mean by "quality and adjustments"? Adobe RGB1998 or sRGB are just colour profiles... they have no bearing on quality of image or what adjustments are possible. What are you using to save the files? What software?

Save your master, archives copy using AdobeRGB1998... as this contains the largest colour depth... however, you save a copy for online use with sRGB embedded. You could just save everything using sRGB if you have no interest in printing, or have access to a colour managed wide gamut monitor... either way... the quality of the image should be identical on your own screen. only when you try to post a wide gamut image (adobeRGB1998) online will you run into roblems.

Options for embedding colour profiles should be available in most decent software regardless of what format you are saving into.
 
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OK.. let's see if we can sort this for you.

Step one: Windows' colour management. If you are NOT calibrating your screen, which I assume is the case, then

Right click the desktop and select "screen resolution"
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You'll see this....
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Select Advanced Settings...
You'll see this
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Select the colour management tab at the top.... you'll see this...
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Click the big colour management button.... you'll see this...
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On mine above, I have a custom made profile for my monitor set as default, but if you don't calibrate your screen, and are mainly interested in things being correct for the internet and screen use, sRGB61966-2.1 should be set as default.

If it's not already... delete whatever is there bt selecting it, and clicking remove.... then click the "add" button and scroll down until you see it.
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Select it, then press OK

When you get back to the previous screen, select the sRGB profile you've just added, then click Set as Default and make sure "use my settings for this device" is ticked.
Click close
Click Apply, then OK,
Click apply, then OK,
Click apply, then OK,

Done.. reboot.

I can talk you through embedding the correct colour profiles once I know what software you use for image editing.
 
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Hmm. I'd advise against using a generic sRGB profile as your monitor profile.

sRGB was designed to represent the gamut of 'average' CRT displays available in the 1990s.

Using it as a generic substitute on those types of display possibly made some kind of sense in 1998. However, I'm assuming the OP probably isn't using a 15 year old CRT (on which the ageing phosphors will have degraded considerably). Any LCD will have rather different colour response curves, especially if it is wide-gamut display, which are becoming more common today.

Using sRGB with LCD panels is likely to be at least as misleading than leaving things as they were with factory defaults, I suspect probably more so.

If you don't have access to a calibrator, you'd be much better off using the manufacturer's canned profile for the display if one is available; that, at least will bear some relation to the designed colour response of the monitor. Otherwise, I suggest that switching to sRGB as a display profile is likely to make things worse.
 
My Laptop is already set to that colour profile, what I want to know is how to save my images now, without losing quality, for posting online and printing etc. and without using adobeRGB1998.

As with this image here, I do not want to be going to the trouble of editing my images, if once I upload them online, everyone is seeing the photo on the right, and not the one on the left.

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I use photoshop CS5.1 and Lightroom 3 thoughh mostly I only use camera raw editing and save through that.
 
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With CS 5, use 'Save for Web' on the File menu and it will default to convert to sRGB (there's a checkbox).

I think it also defaults to not embedding the sRGB profile, but I would suggest that you do that [Embed Color Profile checkbox].
 
With Lightroom, select sRGB as the Color Space in the Export dialog - you will find it in the File Settings section.
 
Alright Musicman, I do get an error come up though saying the file exceeds the size designed for web optimization and may slow my system down ?

But here's a tester before it goes in gob shot thread, to see if the quality stays using the save for web.


Tongue by Cookie Pug, on Flickr
 
Musicman said:
Hmm. I'd advise against using a generic sRGB profile as your monitor profile.
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Better than nothing assuming no correct .icm profile is available for the screen, and she has no ability to profile it. At least it will keep gamut in check so long as the images are correctly tagged.


gothgirl... that image above has no profile attached... so the colours are just going mental here on my wide gamut screen.


Using save for web will not embed a colour profile unless you tick the box


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gothgirl said:
And this is the error I am getting
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It seems you're saving full res images, which may explain why you're getting that error.

There's a long thread from 2010 discussing whether the error should appear or not on the Adobe forums.

http://forums.adobe.com/message/3196160

Somewhat surprisingly, it seems Adobe didn't anticipate we'd be saving large images for web use. I'm still not sure if the error message means anything is actually going wrong, or whether it's just a warning that the performance of your computer may suffer (which is what it looks like).

Anyhow, the other way of doing getting to where you need to be is to convert the image to sRGB before saving your version for uploading, which should avoid this error.

On the Edit menu choose Convert to Profile

Select sRGB IEC61966-2.1 as the Destination Space. You should probably leave the Conversion Options at defaults.

Click OK to proceed with the profile conversion. You now have an sRGB image.

Then Save As... from the file menu to save your sRGB version for uploading. Make sure you don't over-write your original file with the new one. :)
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If you're doing this often, it may be more convenient to script a short Photoshop Action to save time.

That said, if you are using Lightroom to organise your photographs, it's probably a lot simpler to export from there as the files you're working on will be in your Lightroom Catalog and you'll be able to export multiple images in one go.

If you're not using Lightroom for its organising features and doing everything in Photoshop, then it's a bit like keeping a dog and barking yourself.
 
That last image is now embedded with sRGB... so should display correctly both in the forums, and on Flicker. There should be no difference between how colours appear on either now.... assuming you are using a browser that honours ICC profiles.

As for the error message... you can ignore it... it still saves OK. It's more an advisory because most images saved for web would be smaller... usually 1024 pixels across as an average. You won't run into any problems.


I'd agree with musicman.... export from Lightroom as a JPEG with sRGB as the colour profile... unless you want to work on them in CS5 first of course.. in which case it makes no sense at all to export as a JPEG... only to load them into CS5 as a JPEG and save them out AGAIN as a JPEG. Each time you save a JPEG it is being compressed each time. Ideally you should only save as a JPEG once when you're finished.

If you wish to work on them in CS5, then export from Lightroom as TIFF... then use Save for Web after you've finished editing in CS5.
 
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