Goodbye windoze 11

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Giving up, don't have the time or patience to deal with the issues, programmes not running correctly, mouse cursor disappearing behind things on the screen, shortcuts vanishing from the desktop, defaults reverting to M$ rubbish after every update, then today I was in a hurry and had to restart the laptop, and it starts updating, 25 minutes later I could use my machine again, but without a mouse. Now after several restarts the mouse is working again, but it takes forever to shutdown and start up (I know this is because the update has installed an unsuitable driver, but for the life of me I can't remember what it was).

It was fine until an update week or so back, and my second laptop (not connected to the internet) is fine.
I've put W10 back on that one, installed the essential programmes, and busy running updates now, so I have something to use while I rebuild this one with W10
 
I have 2 Win 11 laptops (work and personal), not had any problems with windows updates on either of them.
Both are development laptops with Office 365, Visual Studio, SQL Server, etc.

(HP updates on the work laptop are a different matter - which runs automatically and sometimes pops up a dialog for 'Restart Now' or 'Later' with has 'Restart Now' as the selection, then grabs focus, so if you are typing at the time, and press any key in the instant after it appears it takes that as meaning you want to restart!)
 
Faldrax said:
I have 2 Win 11 laptops (work and personal), not had any problems with windows updates on either of them.
Both are development laptops with Office 365, Visual Studio, SQL Server, etc.

(HP updates on the work laptop are a different matter - which runs automatically and sometimes pops up a dialog for 'Restart Now' or 'Later' with has 'Restart Now' as the selection, then grabs focus, so if you are typing at the time, and press any key in the instant after it appears it takes that as meaning you want to restart!)
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It didn't restart without notice, when I restarted it it then installed updates which took ages.

The problem with the long shutdown I think is the RT audio, Driver Power Status, but I can't remember what I did to cure it last time.

Also Device Manager locks up when I disable devices, then I have to restart, each restart can take 7-20 minutes, so a painful process.
My son took 11 off earlier this week and went back to 10, says it is a different machine now, his is the same as my second machine which came with W10, and meets all the needs for 11.

Most reliable machine in the house runs W7 :)
 
I have to say I have also had minimal issues with W11 , certainly no more than W10
 
Windows 11 here....no problems on daily use

but

Update Restarts closes 'Brave' browser and deletes any open tabs so have to search History and re-open them

doable but frustrating
 
Sangoma said:
It didn't restart without notice, when I restarted it it then installed updates which took ages.

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Ah, OK - I assume from your comment that you were "in a hurry but had to restart" that it was a forced update, rather than you had selected to update - the Windows update process is quite reliable these days, so while I tend to do smaller updates as soon as I see them, and of the bigger updates I defer until I head off for lunch, etc, when I can just leave the machine to get on with it while I'm doing other things.
 
I use it at home and in my corporate environment.

I've seen no issues at all.

Maybe the OP needs a newer computer? Or at least a reinstall?
 
Faldrax said:
Ah, OK - I assume from your comment that you were "in a hurry but had to restart" that it was a forced update, rather than you had selected to update - the Windows update process is quite reliable these days, so while I tend to do smaller updates as soon as I see them, and of the bigger updates I defer until I head off for lunch, etc, when I can just leave the machine to get on with it while I'm doing other things.
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No.I didn't select to update, I had to restart as the machine didn't see the SD card. When I restarted it began an update I did not select, and I wouldn't have done, I had someone waiting for a file, that is why I was in a hurry, I certainly didn't need to wait for it to update :)

After that update, all the file associations reverted back to MS choice, VLC wouldn't work from the right click open with selection, every time I put an SD card in it asks me again what to do with it, the mouse cursor started going under elements on the screen, CorelDraw keeps giving memory errors, and the driver power state error started, start menu settings changed, Virtual Machine stopped working and probably other things I have not noticed yet
 
Interesting as a recent convert to a Mac Mini from a Win 11 PC with which I had no problems with. I’ve found the Mac obstructive and disappointing being little faster than my 2 year old mini PC. Certainly I found Win 11 much easier to work with and still use the mini PC for a number of things including some Lightroom tasks. On balance I would have been better just replacing the mini PC with once of the current much faster one’s. I actually bought the Mac after PC Pro had for 18 month recommended it as the best small form PC and the month after purchase it was replaced by the new batch of Win 11 minis PC’s as their choice. Still the iMac look nice.
 
Sangoma said:
No.I didn't select to update, I had to restart as the machine didn't see the SD card. When I restarted it began an update I did not select, and I wouldn't have done, I had someone waiting for a file, that is why I was in a hurry, I certainly didn't need to wait for it to update :)

After that update, all the file associations reverted back to MS choice, VLC wouldn't work from the right click open with selection, every time I put an SD card in it asks me again what to do with it, the mouse cursor started going under elements on the screen, CorelDraw keeps giving memory errors, and the driver power state error started, start menu settings changed, Virtual Machine stopped working and probably other things I have not noticed yet
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OK, So it had already installed the update as far a possible without an update, but needed a restart to continue.
So in your Windows Update settings you have set it to automatically apply updates - just turn this off, then you get to choose when it starts the process, and so shouldn't get into this situation.
The problem with not seeing the SD card so having to restart sounds like a problem with the drivers for the device, it's something I've had in the past with older versions of Windows, but not Win 11.
I'm surprised you have that many issues with 3rd party software following a Windows feature update (I'm assuming that was what the large update was) - the big updates can break things, but it's typically because the software in question is using some "work around" to bypass something in Windows, and MS have closed the loophole - the biggest example of that happening was the switch to Win 7, which required a lot of software to have significant changes, but such breaking updates have become much less in Win 10/11.
 
velocette said:
Interesting as a recent convert to a Mac Mini from a Win 11 PC with which I had no problems with. I’ve found the Mac obstructive and disappointing being little faster than my 2 year old mini PC. Certainly I found Win 11 much easier to work with and still use the mini PC for a number of things ...
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Once you get used to any system, be it Windows, Mac, Linux or whatever, everything else seems "wrong".

On one job I found myself working with 5 different operating systems at once. Now that was confusing! :tumbleweed:
 
Faldrax said:
OK, So it had already installed the update as far a possible without an update, but needed a restart to continue.
So in your Windows Update settings you have set it to automatically apply updates - just turn this off, then you get to choose when it starts the process, and so shouldn't get into this situation.
The problem with not seeing the SD card so having to restart sounds like a problem with the drivers for the device, it's something I've had in the past with older versions of Windows, but not Win 11.
I'm surprised you have that many issues with 3rd party software following a Windows feature update (I'm assuming that was what the large update was) - the big updates can break things, but it's typically because the software in question is using some "work around" to bypass something in Windows, and MS have closed the loophole - the biggest example of that happening was the switch to Win 7, which required a lot of software to have significant changes, but such breaking updates have become much less in Win 10/11.
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I had very few problems with 7, can't remember any in particular, but I only had about 200 machines, so a very small sample.
Even software I had written myself ran fine on it, though I do remember a lot of problems forecast, but it all passed over like Y2K issue did with little bother.
 
Sangoma said:
I had very few problems with 7, can't remember any in particular, but I only had about 200 machines, so a very small sample.
Even software I had written myself ran fine on it, though I do remember a lot of problems forecast, but it all passed over like Y2K issue did with little bother.
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Simple software would just port over, more complex software from large companies would require a version upgrade (Lightroom was an example of this), I was working on complex control software running on a PC to control a dedicated machine - and we had a lot of issues.
 
Faldrax said:
Simple software would just port over, more complex software from large companies would require a version upgrade (Lightroom was an example of this), I was working on complex control software running on a PC to control a dedicated machine - and we had a lot of issues.
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Different people with different uses will have varying issues, be it 7 or 11 :)
 
velocette said:
Interesting as a recent convert to a Mac Mini from a Win 11 PC with which I had no problems with. I’ve found the Mac obstructive and disappointing being little faster than my 2 year old mini PC. Certainly I found Win 11 much easier to work with and still use the mini PC for a number of things including some Lightroom tasks. On balance I would have been better just replacing the mini PC with once of the current much faster one’s. I actually bought the Mac after PC Pro had for 18 month recommended it as the best small form PC and the month after purchase it was replaced by the new batch of Win 11 minis PC’s as their choice. Still the iMac look nice.
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It's a different way of working. I'm OS agnostic as far as being able to use them goes, but I've little love for Apple OS as it just feels constricting and wants me to work in its way rather than letting me make it work for me. If I could run Lightroom on Linux I probably would.
 
Ive found an intermittent issue with Win 11. When i load a large image into Affinity , do some work and quit out, i get massive lag on the desktop. Mouse not reacting for a second or so when moved etc. Task manager shows nothing major running, cpu and memory usage low. But i have to reboot to get back to normal. Quite frustrating.
 
AshleyC said:
Ive found an intermittent issue with Win 11. When i load a large image into Affinity , do some work and quit out, i get massive lag on the desktop. Mouse not reacting for a second or so when moved etc. Task manager shows nothing major running, cpu and memory usage low. But i have to reboot to get back to normal. Quite frustrating.
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Probably Affinity failing to clear memory.
 
Set the registry setting so that windows update does not update drivers, so hopefully it won't happen again.
But still be wondering what will happen next
 
No problems here either in the workplace (development machine, Visual Studio, windbg, kd and all the rest), laptop or in VMs. I do make sure that updates are not automatically applied so I have to start the process and "no reboot with logged in users" is enabled.
 
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