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Both my wife and I are suffering from a very nasty strain 'flu. My throat is very sore, a lot of coughing up and nose-blolwing gunge so off to the doctor we went yesterday. It's a very nasty strain this year and it's widespread and particularly bad. Our chests are clear so my wife wasn't given antibiotics but because I had small ulcers on my throat I was given Phenoxymethylpenicillin. It's the norm to take one, maybe two antibiotics three times a day. I have to take four of these twice a day. The reason I'm posting this is because the doctor told us that the vaccine for this winter isn't the right one so if anyone reading this has had this season's vaccine but have got or had this 'flu that's why. It seems they have to 'guess'..not the the right term., I'm sure, what strain of 'flu will develop and sometimes they get it wrong. This year's vaccine has been manufactured in Australia.I have all vaccines offered and had the 'flu vaccine last October. I was on here from 0145 to 0240 on Tuesday night...pretty well on my own..lol.

www.cbsnews.com

Flu vaccine this season may be poorly matched, early CDC data suggests

Lab tests suggest a strain of the flu virus circulating this season may not be "well-recognized" by the flu vaccine.
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HEALTHWATCH

Flu vaccine this season may be poorly matched, early CDC data suggests​


By Alexandr Tin.
Edited By Paula Cohen
February 25, 2025 / 10:43 AM EST / CBS News.

"This season's influenza vaccine may have been a poor match to a strain of the flu virus that caused many infections this winter, early data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggests. This is a bad year, no doubt about it," Dr. Jon LaPook, CBS News chief medical correspondent, told "CBS Mornings" on Tuesday. Up to 910,000 hospitalizations are estimated to have been caused by the flu since October 2024, which puts the season on track to be the most severe in at least a decade.
The same here in the UK.

www.england.nhs.uk

NHS England » Hospital patients with flu quadrupled to over 5,000 ahead of New Year

New NHS data covering the Christmas and New Year period shows flu cases have continued to skyrocket, with over 5,000 patients hospitalised with the virus at the end of last week. Last week (w/e 29 Dec) there were an average of 4,469 patients with flu in hospital each day – almost 3.5 times...
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"New NHS data covering the Christmas and New Year period shows flu cases have continued to skyrocket, with over 5,000 patients hospitalised with the virus at the end of last week"


We are unable to go to a choral concert on Saturday and have been unable to find anyone to give the tickets to.
 
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Sorry to hear you're suffering.

There's a huge amount of energy and money invested in trying to get the right vaccine strains, and for various reasons the southern hemisphere is usually a good predictor of what will go down in the northern hemisphere the following flu season. We wait for the WHO to release their predicted strain information, then set-to as quickly as possible to make the antigens for the vaccine companies to test their vaccines against. A number of us seem to have had something that didn't seem to go anywhere this year, and I'd wondered if we'd escape serious illness because we'd been vaccinated and had some immunity.

Hope you feel better soon.
 
Ummmmmmm.....[puts prescribing hat on, fully aware that there are vaguaries in the first post, not intentional, but there nonetheless...]

1. [and personal] this is exactly why I never have the flu vaccine, despite working in a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit.
2. Sore throat - Go to your local pharmacist and ask for some DIFFLAM, you will not regret it!!! Fantastic for a sore throat!
3. What you vs "normal" sounds very dramatic. one maybe two (three times a day). I mean....
3a. what dose?
3b. what for?
3c. Its only for your sore throat, they're not treating "flu". Adult for this is 500mg 4 times a day OR 1000mg twice a day. (same thing, ie still 2000g per 24 hrs) which sounds like what you were prescribed.
4. looking at 3... there is no "normally it's one or two three times a day" as that's NOT for your condition...

The flu vaccines a roulette table frankly, black or red.
 
Donnie said:
Ummmmmmm.....[puts prescribing hat on, fully aware that there are vaguaries in the first post, not intentional, but there nonetheless...]

1. [and personal] this is exactly why I never have the flu vaccine, despite working in a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit.
2. Sore throat - Go to your local pharmacist and ask for some DIFFLAM, you will not regret it!!! Fantastic for a sore throat!
3. What you vs "normal" sounds very dramatic. one maybe two (three times a day). I mean....
3a. what dose?
3b. what for?
3c. Its only for your sore throat, they're not treating "flu". Adult for this is 500mg 4 times a day OR 1000mg twice a day. (same thing, ie still 2000g per 24 hrs) which sounds like what you were prescribed.
4. looking at 3... there is no "normally it's one or two three times a day" as that's NOT for your condition...

The flu vaccines a roulette table frankly, black or red.
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I'll see if I can fully answer those points, Paul.

I didn't go to the doctor because of a sore throat. We were both coughing up green 'stuff'. The coughing was continuous. An hour ago I started coughing and was unable to sleep..hence I came on here. I tried sleeping, sitting up in bed. As I write this post I can hear my wife coughing. The doctor looked into my mouth and said I'd got an infection and ulcers on my throat and no wonder it was painful. Sore, wasn't really the right word I used but I did mention the ulcers in my post. If I get a sore throat I usually get something at the pharmacy. I've heard of Difflam. The doctor obviously thought I needed the antibiotics. I also have a bunged-up nose and have been using Vicks to help me breathe more easily which does work.

Just checked the box. Each tablet is 250mgs. There's enough for 5 days.

Re the two or three tablets two or three times a day. It's what I've been used to being prescribed for whatever. I've never taken tablets 4 at a time twice a day. My wife was surprised,too and her whole career has been in nursing.

Not treating 'flu. I know. It's a virus and ,as you know, a virus isn't treated with antibiotics which is why my wife, who has the same symptoms, wasn't given any. We went because the 'stuff' coming up was green. The doctor said that 'green' is ok. Time to worry is if it's brown/yellow. I'm not sure that's right tbh. I recall a doctor saying the same thing to my wife years ago when she was coughing up 'green stuff' . She went back several days later and a different doctor gave her antibiotics which cleared it up.

Re your first and last comment. The NHS urge people, especially older people, to have the annual vaccine. I have to trust them.
 
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Yep all good points, just to be clear I wasnt thinking you went for the sore throat nor am i saying your antibiotic treatment is wrong for the throat. Im not advocating Difflam instead of the tablets, Im saying get some in addition to help with the pain. It's a light local anaesthetic but is also an antiinflammatory, really helps with a sore throat no matter the cause.

Definitely right re green phlegm usually being viral, usually being the key word there. other than that can be bronchitis or even covid. It might be worth you both doing a covid test just in case. yellow / brown phlegm is more serious and the latter is usually a sign of old blood, but by then you'd likely already have got worse not better.

Whatever you do keep hydrated and get yourselves some brufen too as again an antiinflammatory will help limit the lung inflammation along with the associated pain.
 
Donnie said:
Yep all good points, just to be clear I wasnt thinking you went for the sore throat nor am i saying your antibiotic treatment is wrong for the throat. Im not advocating Difflam instead of the tablets, Im saying get some in addition to help with the pain. It's a light local anaesthetic but is also an antiinflammatory, really helps with a sore throat no matter the cause.

Definitely right re green phlegm usually being viral, usually being the key word there. other than that can be bronchitis or even covid. It might be worth you both doing a covid test just in case. yellow / brown phlegm is more serious and the latter is usually a sign of old blood, but by then you'd likely already have got worse not better.

Whatever you do keep hydrated and get yourselves some brufen too as again an antiinflammatory will help limit the lung inflammation along with the associated pain.
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Thanks for your input. I mentioned your recommendation to my wife and yes, we'll get Difflam. We have iboprufen. Anything to help.I've been chewing on Tunes. I had blood in my coughed-up 'stuff' this morning. Burst vessels through coughing,I imagine but my wife said she'll keep an eye on it. Took my 4 antibiotics this morning at 7.00am. Must be taken on an empty stomach...states one hour before food. Next lot at 2100...at least two hours after eating.It's a seven-day course, not five, as I first said.

We have covid test kits and we are both negative for that. My wife makes sure I keep hydrated."have you had water recently ?" she asks.. "Yes,yes"..Lol. She's still coughing well and not goods stuff. What a conversation. Maybe should have put a 'strong content ..not for the faint of heart' warning on the subject. Lol. We have a friend who has had it for two weeks and has an appointment to see the doctor because she has other cancer-related issues. She's put that behind her but it's left its mark. It's a really nasty virus.

By the way. No matter how dire situations are I rarely lose my sense of humour. I'm trying to get a cable to connect my iPad to my iMac to transfer all my 'songs' from the iMac. There's A-B-C connectors and the Apple one is £42 !!. So..I just remembered my neighbour next door but one.. an Appple geek. Yes..he has one and I'm to collect it at 10.00am. I will take round the net on a 4' pole that I have for the garden pond and ask him to drop it in that at the front door so I don't get close.:D
 
Wife and I have this cold n cough thing since late Jan, colds have cleared up and cough on the way out now, wife prescribed penicillin and I just finished a course of anti biopics, one upside we felt so bad no appetite so lost a little winter excess weight.
 
mj4456 said:
Wife and I have this cold n cough thing since late Jan, colds have cleared up and cough on the way out now, wife prescribed penicillin and I just finished a course of anti biopics, one upside we felt so bad no appetite so lost a little winter excess weight.
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It seems to be receding now for us but it has a 'proper little go' now and then but that's been over a week and it's still not gone. When you get hit by a strain as nasty..not a medical term..lol..as this one is then, when you finally see the back of it, it leaves the body weak. We're taking Actimel to boost the immune system and help get us back to 'balance' https://www.actimel.co.uk/

Also,Activia yoghurt
www.prevention.com

Doctors Explain the Best Ways to Stop a Cold Before It Even Starts

The foods you eat could actually make a difference.
www.prevention.com www.prevention.com

I don't normally do this sort of thing as we have a very good balanced diet but we need to get the 'good guys" back into our systems.

Just as an aside. Quite often after a holiday abroad one of us,sometimes both, will pick up get something after the flight outward bound or back home. I picked up an awful bug after returning from one holiday and we think it was Mr Cough in row eight who sounded like he should have been in hospital on a ventilator. After I've taken my seat I listen out for who's coughing and spluttering and see where they're sitting. 'They' say the back of a plane is the most likely place to pick up something due to where what passes for clean air accumulates. We have a` friend who was so ill after a return flight from the US (a respiratory infection) he refused to fly for several years. What we now do is try to boost our immune system with suppliments a week before we travel. It can't do any harm. Maybe a waste of time. Maybe someone on here can advise on that.
 
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JohnC6 said:
What we now do is try to boost our immune system with suppliments a week before we travel. It can't do any harm. Maybe a waste of time. Maybe someone on here can advise on that.
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Provided what you take isn't harmful then it doesn't matter whether the supplement creates a real or placebo effect, if it helps you to feel better.
 
JohnC6 said:
I'll see if I can fully answer those points, Paul.

I didn't go to the doctor because of a sore throat. We were both coughing up green 'stuff'. The coughing was continuous. An hour ago I started coughing and was unable to sleep..hence I came on here. I tried sleeping, sitting up in bed. As I write this post I can hear my wife coughing. The doctor looked into my mouth and said I'd got an infection and ulcers on my throat and no wonder it was painful. Sore, wasn't really the right word I used but I did mention the ulcers in my post. If I get a sore throat I usually get something at the pharmacy. I've heard of Difflam. The doctor obviously thought I needed the antibiotics. I also have a bunged-up nose and have been using Vicks to help me breathe more easily which does work.

Just checked the box. Each tablet is 250mgs. There's enough for 5 days.

Re the two or three tablets two or three times a day. It's what I've been used to being prescribed for whatever. I've never taken tablets 4 at a time twice a day. My wife was surprised,too and her whole career has been in nursing.

Not treating 'flu. I know. It's a virus and ,as you know, a virus isn't treated with antibiotics which is why my wife, who has the same symptoms, wasn't given any. We went because the 'stuff' coming up was green. The doctor said that 'green' is ok. Time to worry is if it's brown/yellow. I'm not sure that's right tbh. I recall a doctor saying the same thing to my wife years ago when she was coughing up 'green stuff' . She went back several days later and a different doctor gave her antibiotics which cleared it up.

Re your first and last comment. The NHS urge people, especially older people, to have the annual vaccine. I have to trust them.
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If you trust the NHS, then I think you should read page 71 of the Covid Inquiry report from May 2024. Oh yes, I nearly forgot to say, that it coincided with Astra Zeneca withdrawing their Covid vaccine for "Commercial reasons". I am one of the many hundreds of thousands of people who have been very badly injured by the hastily released Covid vaccines. I had batch PV46664 of the AZ vaccine on 27th Feb 2021, within two to three weeks of having it, I went from being very fit to being virtually crippled. The following links are not spam or invented, they are official government links, something the mainstream media doesn't want you to know about.


 
I take Actimel (or similar) to repopulate my guts with some (hopefully!) beneficial bacteria after I've needed antibiotics. As Toni said, it doesn't do any harm and might do at least a little good, however it works! To help avoid viruses on planes (and in general close interactions with the rest of humanity!), I squirt a dose of Vicks First Defence up each nostril an hour or so before the contact. Not sure how effective it is BUT, I haven't had a cold for a few years and despite sharing a house with 2 covid sufferers (and a bed with one of them) a couple of years ago, I didn't catch it.
 
andya700 said:
If you trust the NHS, then I think you should read page 71 of the Covid Inquiry report from May 2024. Oh yes, I nearly forgot to say, that it coincided with Astra Zeneca withdrawing their Covid vaccine for "Commercial reasons". I am one of the many hundreds of thousands of people who have been very badly injured by the hastily released Covid vaccines. I had batch PV46664 of the AZ vaccine on 27th Feb 2021, within two to three weeks of having it, I went from being very fit to being virtually crippled. The following links are not spam or invented, they are official government links, something the mainstream media doesn't want you to know about.


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Andy..First off, I did notice in another thread that you mentioned you'd developed 'essential tremors' after receiving a Covid-19 vaccination. I recall thinking 'how awful'..,especially as it came from a vaccine. The randomness of ill-fortune. Anything can happen to anyone at anytime. I read up on it as I'd never heard of it before and came across this .

"Essential tremor is common. Experts estimate that it affects about 1% of all people worldwide, and about 5% of people over age 60. It’s the most common form of tremor and one of the most common movement disorders."

Re the report and page 71 in particular, which you asked me to look at ,I see it's about the lack of support in listed areas of the lives of sufferers including the lack of progress in relation to compensation. This from the legal representative for victims.

"The groups that I represent have urged you, my Lady, to make critical recommendations in key areas that significantly impact their lives. These include the need for medical, financial, emotional and cultural support. A pressing example of this is the need for reform of the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme. And without reform, thousands of people are being left without proper recourse to compensation or financial support, and are exposed to ongoing disbelief and a continued lack of medical and emotional support for their injuries and online abuse."

..and in an earlier section of the report.. My bold to make my point that the report did not address the safety or quantification of risk re the Covid-19 vaccine.

."Was the race to produce one of the first vaccines purely to gain a march on the pandemic or was it politically motivated to divert from what was a tumultuous political time for the nation? Albeit the scope of the Inquiry will not and, indeed, probably could not be expected to extend to the safety of specific vaccines or quantification of the precise risks of vaccination, the recent withdrawal of the AstraZeneca vaccine from production does raise concerns, particularly in light of the acknowledged issues which that vaccine had."

So, when I said that we have to trust the NHS I meant in terms of general vaccination..'Flu--polio..measles etc. Stop vaccinating and these diseases will reappear as measles has in the US .

www.theguardian.com

Measles making a comeback in US due to vaccine skepticism, says CDC

The highly transmissible disease was found in north-east states in recent weeks and is likely to spread to the midwest and west coast
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

"Though measles had been eradicated in the US in 2000, the disease is expected to continue a nationwide spread primarily because of vaccine skepticism, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has said"

www.lemonde.fr

US Senate confirms vaccine-sceptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr as health secretary

Despite concerns from those in the medical and science fields, the Republican-controlled US Senate approved Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as health secretary on Thursday.
www.lemonde.fr www.lemonde.fr

An absolute disgrace. "The Republican-controlled US Senate approved Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as health secretary Thursday, February 13, disregarding alarm from the medical community over his history of promoting vaccine misinformation and denying scientific facts"

The Covid-19 vaccine was hastily manufactured but, by all accounts, still went through the rigorous testing regime. See ancient-mariner's post above.Post #2.

Vaccines normally take 10 years involving the actual discovery (2-5 years) then the pre-clinical stage ( up to 2 years) followed by clinical development..ie testing it on volunteers and the results ..several years..and the last hurdle takes about 2 years..regulatory approval. With Covid-19, there was a massive global effort. I read this analogy about concerns re safety being by-passed. "It’s a bit like driving across a busy city in rush hour. Normally you spend lots of time waiting at traffic lights, but when you have a police escort, you can take the same journey and get to the same place, just as safely, but faster" Now, it would seem that something had gone wrong with the AstraZeneca vaccine somewhere in that speeded-up process.

With regard to the annual 'Flu vaccination, it began here in the late 60's and aimed at the clinically-vulnerable. It was first introduced in the US in 1945. The principle I work on is that if you have the vaccine it won't, necessarily, stop you getting it but it will mitigate the effects...ie you won't get it as badly. Would the 'Flu that my wife and I still have (but the symptoms are much reduced than they were 10 days ago) have been even worse had we not had the vaccination ? We don't know and as ,it seems, the vaccine manufacturers in Australia didn't correctly identify the particular strain that was expected this year,,which according to Toni..ancient-mariner, is unusual...I mean it's unusual they didn't get it right. They're normally spot on, he said.In this case, I assume, then, that the vaccine that my wife and I had back in October,I think, played no part in reducing the severity of what we have. At the top of this thread Paul (Donnie) said it's a game of roulette trying to anticipate which strain will next come down the line....it's black and red, he said, referring to the colours of a roulette wheel.

I can understand why you have little confidence in the NHS and it seems to be, solely, in relation to how they are dealing with victims of a particular Covid-19 vaccination (we had Pfeizer not AstraZeneca) but overall, the negative effects, the serious ones, are, according to stats, 'rare'...very rare or extremely rare. The problem with that is that whilst a negative effect might be rare, if you're the one that suffers it , it can, as you've discovered, be devastating...life-changing and can be worse than the illness it's meant to prevent.

To sum up. I do have confidence in the NHS and those involved in the production and testing of vaccines. Mankind has all but eradicated many dreadful diseases, such as Polio-Tetanus..
Hepatitis A&B.. Rubella..Measles. Whooping Cough..Mumps, Chickenpox..Diphtheria.. etc etc.
 
yep me and wife have had this one as well it took use out for a few solid weeks
 
Nod said:
I take Actimel (or similar) to repopulate my guts with some (hopefully!) beneficial bacteria after I've needed antibiotics. As Toni said, it doesn't do any harm and might do at least a little good, however it works! To help avoid viruses on planes (and in general close interactions with the rest of humanity!), I squirt a dose of Vicks First Defence up each nostril an hour or so before the contact. Not sure how effective it is BUT, I haven't had a cold for a few years and despite sharing a house with 2 covid sufferers (and a bed with one of them) a couple of years ago, I didn't catch it.
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Oh..great. :) I do have Vicks..the regular one.. and have been 'shoving it up me nose' this past week.:) I assume First Defence is a different formulae ? My wife's just Googled it. £7 from Amazon sold by Amazon,too.I always check who the seller is for anything and then do a review check. No doubt saved myself a lot of grief even if it means spending a few more pounds.,

Re Actimel. Well, as you'll probably recall we went to Tenerife on February 4th. About 5 days later I picked up Norovirus, then my wife got it. She missed a pre-booked whale/dolphin boat trip which I had to go on,on my own. Lost 86 Euros...no refunds given. We eventually discovered it was all across the island. I couldn't go to the dingroom for a couple of days,not that I wanted to. My wife said there were male guests and female guests sitting at tables on their own because their other halves were in bed. I had diarrhoea and must have lost a couple of kgs..for sure. I could tell by my shorts/trouser waistband. . Were werer advised to take Actimel to ,as you say, to replace the good guys in the gut. We also drank whatever it was..tasted lovely..Lol..we bought in the supermarket that replaces minerals. So..it lasted about three days. Ten days went by and I got it again. This time vomiting. Dreadful. Nothing left inside. Back to the Actimel and that drink. Fortuantely, we were there for three weeks. I weighed myself when we got home and compared to before going, I'd lost 7lbs in old money. Our window cleaner told me that he, his wife and children had also had Norovirus. Seems there was a lot of it about here,too. I'm pretty healthy normally and don't pick up these things but not this time.

A chap on the radio, yesterday, just happen to be talking about it when I switched the radio on and said that the reason for the increase in illnesses is that at any one time around the world 1.5 million people are travelling in a plane and they pick up an illness and are 1000 miles away before the incubation period is over and thus spread it from one country to another in short order. He also said that the world population increase was another cause. I think we're all doomed....the end is nigh. Maybe not not "right nigh..(as Ronnie Barker once said when told that by R.Corbett) but not far down the line :D
 
Nod said:
From the day we're born!
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True..but I was thinking more about how we're bringing it upon ourselves at a fair rate of knots rather than the inevitability of the life and death cycle.
 
JohnC6 said:
I can understand why you have little confidence in the NHS and it seems to be, solely, in relation to how they are dealing with victims of a particular Covid-19 vaccination (we had Pfeizer not AstraZeneca) but overall, the negative effects, the serious ones, are, according to stats, 'rare'...very rare or extremely rare. The problem with that is that whilst a negative effect might be rare, if you're the one that suffers it , it can, as you've discovered, be devastating...life-changing and can be worse than the illness it's meant to prevent.

To sum up. I do have confidence in the NHS and those involved in the production and testing of vaccines. Mankind has all but eradicated many dreadful diseases, such as Polio-Tetanus..
Hepatitis A&B.. Rubella..Measles. Whooping Cough..Mumps, Chickenpox..Diphtheria.. etc etc.
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John, did you read page 71 of the Covid Inquiry, because the adverse reaction reports about the vaccines are not rare as the press like to keep saying. 486,000 ADR's, 300,000 serious ADR's, 2,680 deaths is not rare, it is a huge problem and many doctors still do not acknowledge the problem. I submitted two pages of A4 to my GP, outlining when all my problems started, telling him about the Covid Inquiry. I found out last year, that after my GP appointment in July, he has lied on my medical records, saying that I am very much improved, as are others on my "chat group". I and many others have zero faith in the NHS and we have less faith in the pharma companies who developed these vaccines.
 
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John, did you read page 71 of the Covid Inquiry, because the adverse reaction reports about the vaccines are not rare as the press like to keep saying. 486,000 ADR's, 300,000 serious ADR's, 2,680 deaths is not rare, it is a huge problem and many doctors still do not acknowledge the problem. I submitted two pages of A4 to my GP, outlining when all my problems started, telling him about the Covid Inquiry. I found out last year, that after my GP appointment in July, he has lied on my medical records, saying that I am very much improved, as are others on my "chat group". I and many others have zero faith in the NHS and we have less faith in the pharma companies who developed these vaccines.
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Yes..I did read it . I don't know why you're asking me that when I actually copy/pasted what the legal representative said to the inquiry (p.71)and then another copy/paste of a section from earlier in the report.

What you should be asking is did I see the numbers at the bottom of page 71 and the answer to that is also yes but they didn't mean a lot to me ,apart from it was a lot, in the context of how many people had the vaccination but that wasn't the point I was making about overall trust in the NHS re vaccines. When I say the NHS,I really mean the Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory Agency..MHRA.

We're really making two differeentr points here so, I've made my point re trust and vaccines in general. To be honest, if I was wanting to counter my claim of having trust in the NHS I'd have presented more evidence to show why I've lost trust rather than ask someone to read one page from a 217-page report of an inquiry. So..I've done it myself and I can well understand why you have lost trust. Only now are you saying what happened with your doctor and I'm sure you could have given examples of problems of those within your chat group. What you say seems to infer that some in your chat group have had the samme experience with their doctor. Maybe it's difficult for you to type and you have to keep posts to a minimum which is understandable

So ,what did I find in relation to the numbers at the bottom of page 71..where these numbers were quoted. "As of 10 May 2024 the Yellow Card system received 2,688 reports of fatalities and 486,250 individual reports, over 300,000 of which were reported as serious"

Whilst doing my bit of research I saw that 97% of claims are against Astra Zeneca .I also read that the level of benefit from Covid vaccines is well documented and the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is credited with saving more lives in the first year of its use than any other - 6.3m globally, compared to 5.9m for the Pfizer/BioNTech’s vaccination. Around 50 families affected by rare blood clots have begun a group legal action for compensation under the Consumer Protection Act, arguing that the vaccine (AZ)was not as safe as the public were entitled to expect.This includes people who have been left with severe physical injuries, those who are unable to work and bereaved families who lost a family member due to vaccine damage.In 2021 almost 25 million people received a first dose of the AZ vaccine and almost all of those had a second vaccination.It's estimated that the Covid-19 vaccine programme prevented over a quarter of a million hospital admissions and over 120,000 deaths in the UK up to September 2021 and side effects of vaccination are usually mild and short-lived such as a sore arm, fever and fatigue.So..it's clear there is a problem and, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's this aspect that troubles you re the NHS and obviously, pharmaceutical companies and no doubt your experience with your doctor re his records showing you to be making progress when you weren't.

Obviously there have been disasterous outcomes..yourself being one.The Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme is compensating victims. It was first set up in 1979 after problems with the whooping cough vaccine. This government-backed scheme offers a one-off financial payment of £120,000 in the event that, on the balance of probability, a vaccine has caused at least 60% disablement. Between the late 70's and 2020 there were just below 6500 claims under the scheme for all vaccines and 944 awards. However,re Covid-19 vaccine the scheme has attracted almost 16,000 claims with 180 payment and, to date, over half claimants are still waiting for a decision. Btw..from 1 November 2021, the NHS Business Services Authority will operate the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme on behalf of the Department of Health and Social Care which will remain responsible for the policy and legislation that governs the scheme.

Although the vaccine problems can be laid at the doorstep of AZ the compensation scheme is run by the government and because of the delays re the compensation, which is totally inadequate at £120,000 which was set in 2007 ,legal firms ,such as Leigh Day are suing AZ on behalf of clients. Btw. that £120,000, with inflation taken into account, should be at £197,000 today but tbh when victims suffer what you are suffering I don't think even that is enough. Also, during the pandemic, the government granted vaccine manufacturers legal indemnity. This did not prevent people from making a claim for compensation against pharmaceutical firms but determined who would pay in the event of a successful action.

As I said in my first response, what you are suffering is awful and I do understand your anger but in the wider context of vaccines I still have confidence in them. As far as the NHS is concerned what's happening with victims has left it open to criticism but,in a wider context, both myself and my wife, over the past 12 months, have had very positive experiences both from our surgery and the hospital. I had to have a number of tests and also a scan and the scan was carried on a Sunday morning at a location..a hub..away from the hospital. Fortunately nothing of concern was found.

Hope this has cleared up what seems to be the usual problems with online conversation.
 
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