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I notice a lot of pictures here link back to Flickr and I often visit the posters Flickr site to try and learn how they shot them, particularly wildlife and birds as I am trying to learn more about this genre. Some people are open to sharing their shooting information and some block it - why?
Surely if you are sharing images that you are obviously proud of then you should be happy to share the "how to" information. Or am I missing something?
This is obviously not limited to images from this site but people using Flickr generally and it seems particularly common amongst those with Pro accounts.
 
From my experience, if I export as JPEG straight from Lightroom the EXIF data is maintained and shutter speed etc is displayed when it's uploaded. If I do any editing in Photoshop all that data is removed at a certain point in the process. I'm sure there is a way to preserve it somewhere in the settings but I haven't seen it or thought to look up how to do it.

I'm sure some remove it intentionally, though I'm not sure why.
 
The only time I look at someone elses exif data is if I am trying to help them resolve an issue with their image. tbh it isn't the best way to learn, far better to get some general principles sorted, take pictures and post for critique (the exif may help the person offering crit btw). There are so many variables that there really isn't one magic bullet setting.
 
If you export EXIF data, it will commonly include IPTC data too.

IPTC data, if filled in correctly (which may be preset on import into applications such as Lightroom to avoid having to add it to every individual image) may contain information such as your phone number and contact address. This can be important if you are selling images and want to get paid - having that data there can help clients identify which images belong to which people.

However, if you are posting on Flickr, you may not want the world + dog to be able to see your home address and mobile number, so it's much simpler to exclude it.

Lightroom, for example, doesn't offer an option to exclude ITPC copyright and contact info, but leave the camera exposure data intact. It can do the other way round (contact info but no camera data) but not like that.
 
Oh, while I do include EXIF on my photos posted on Flickr (though I have to be careful with photos that I have filled in my full contact data if I've ever sold them before I post on Flickr) since I usually use manual lenses that don't register in the EXIF, you're only getting half the story - no aperture, focal length or focal distance.
 
I was actually referring to shutter speed lens and ISO. It is helpful to use as a starting point when developing technique. IE it is very useful to know that a shutter speed of 4000 sec or more is needed when photographing small BIF. I know this would be discovered with experience but it is good to have a reference point when starting out.
 
I was actually referring to shutter speed lens and ISO. It is helpful to use as a starting point when developing technique. IE it is very useful to know that a shutter speed of 4000 sec or more is needed when photographing small BIF. I know this would be discovered with experience but it is good to have a reference point when starting out.

I can see where you are coming from with this but they are just numbers if you don't know why they were selected and what the lighting conditions were. EXIF isn't really a 'how to guide' because you would be making assumptions why the settings were used. There are many reasons why some settings are chosen over others, most of those reasons can't be seen in the image or the EXIF. To really find out how an image is taken its best to ask on a photo thread to find out why they where used. I went to a few talks at bird fair and one photographer said whilst he puts up the exposure details only because some want that information it generally means nothing. He also said most of the numbers are just made up to sound about right, and that's it's too time consuming to actually find the actual settings.

As an example here are a couple of images I took on Skomer this year, they were taken 8 minutes apart:


Skomer Puffin Portrait by -Rob'81-

1/2000, f5.6, ISO500 taken at 19:35


Puffin Straight On by -Rob'81-

1/800, f8, ISO200 taken at 19:43

So what do the numbers mean? The images are quite similar in the way they are head on portraits taken close up. So why did I choose these settings? Well, the aperture was increased from f5.6 to f8 because of the reduction in depth of field due to the closer subject distance (2.6m to 1.68m). Why 1/2000 in the first yet 1/800 in the second? Was it to freeze the movement of the Puffin? No, it was a hang up from shooting Puffins in flight then acting quickly when I saw this nicely posing Puffin. At the time I could have used a lower shutter speed and a smaller aperture (f11) to get the end of the beak in focus whilst still keeping the ISO low.

Generally for wildlife:
  • shutter speed high enough to freeze subject movement (unless you are trying to be creative) and stop hand holding induced blur.
  • aperture wide enough for sufficient DOF for the subject to be sharp, taking into account subject distance and focal length (note with wildlife subject isolation has more to do with distance from photographer to subject and the distance from the subject to the background than using a wide aperture)
  • ISO- set to the lighting conditions (the shutter speed and aperture) and the ISO performance of your camera.
The issue is the shutter speed-aperture-ISO relationship really depends on the lighting conditions on the day and other aspects you may not aware of from reading the exit data. I usually try to shoot with an idea of what the ideal settings (where the aperture gives sufficient depth of field and the shutter speed is sufficient to keep the subject sharp) and work from there as an exposure triangle compromise. As the light levels dropped I would raise ISO until it got to a point where I reach the ISO limit for my camera (this can be subjective between cameras and different photographers), then I would look at lowering the shutter speed, if more light gathering was needed I would open the aperture up. If I was then beyond mine and the cameras limit it would be time to watch or go home.

The problem with reading exif is it could easily send you down the wrong path, unless you know more information. It's much better to ask on here for help with 'ideals' if you are unsure, there are plenty of members willing to help guide other members.
 
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rob-nikon, thanks for that post, it was informative and explained a lot, just what i was hoping for.
 
I notice a lot of pictures here link back to Flickr and I often visit the posters Flickr site to try and learn how they shot them, particularly wildlife and birds as I am trying to learn more about this genre. Some people are open to sharing their shooting information and some block it - why?
Surely if you are sharing images that you are obviously proud of then you should be happy to share the "how to" information. Or am I missing something?
This is obviously not limited to images from this site but people using Flickr generally and it seems particularly common amongst those with Pro accounts.

I leave the exif data embedded in the photo but it's quite irrelevant really, certainly not top secret information. Different light levels/subject speeds and conditions mean you wouldn't be using the same settings time after time - they will usually vary for each shot

Edit - Rob's post above explains this far better than I could, gorgeous shots too!
 
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I leave the exif data embedded in the photo but it's quite irrelevant really. Different light levels/subject speeds and conditions mean you wouldn't be using the same settings time after time - they will usually vary for each shot

I think it's nice to know though. I like to know everything :D and I think it can help and as people have brains and probably do know that the light can change second to second I can't see any harm in it. It's not as if people are going to think "Ah Ha! That picture was taken at ISO 3200, f2.8 and 1/2000. That's what I'll use from now on!"
 
I think it's nice to know though. I like to know everything :D and I think it can help and as people have brains and probably do know that the light can change second to second I can't see any harm in it. It's not as if people are going to think "Ah Ha! That picture was taken at ISO 3200, f2.8 and 1/2000. That's what I'll use from now on!"

I do leave it in in case people want to look but it's hard to see how it can really help people. There's so much that can be done in post-processing that those original settings can be meaningless by the time the exposure has been adjusted - as an example I shoot landscapes and don't use grad filters, so if shooting into strong lighting I'll expose to make sure the highlights aren't blown and will recover the shadows in Camera Raw and PS. That exposure information would be different if you used grad filters and you could end up down a blind alley if my settings were copied!
 
I do leave it in in case people want to look but it's hard to see how it can really help people. There's so much that can be done in post-processing that those original settings can be meaningless by the time the exposure has been adjusted - as an example I shoot landscapes and don't use grad filters, so if shooting into strong lighting I'll expose to make sure the highlights aren't blown and will recover the shadows in Camera Raw and PS. That exposure information would be different if you used grad filters and you could end up down a blind alley if my settings were copied!
This has all been said in that awful other thread. If you don't see any advantage in looking at exif and/or have no interest in looking then don't look but please accept that others may for whatever reason want to know what settings were used even if they may be misleading or of little use... and there's always the outside chance that the person looking has a brain that works.
 
This has all been said in that awful other thread. If you don't see any advantage in looking at exif and/or have no interest in looking then don't look but please accept that others may for whatever reason want to know what settings were used even if they may be misleading or of little use... and there's always the outside chance that the person looking has a brain that works.

Forums are for discussion and I've shared why I personally don't think it's as useful as it could appear. I try to help people learning the ropes as much as possible and they're welcome to view my exif data but as explained it's not really going to be helpful. Not wanting to get into a spat but if that's 'awful' then it's obviously a waste of time having a different view to you
 
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