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If its in ETTL, yes.
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Auto ISO affect the ambient light capture and
EV will affect both the capture and the flash.
This is a tricky setup situation where considering
EV the flash alone may be an option by itself. You
will have to test which of the two will work better
for you in given situations.
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It'll work.
But how the flipping heck will it know your intent?
The whole issue of mixing flash with ambient is the photographers decision to choose what is key and what is fill.
All 'auto' can do is ensure the exposure is 'correct', thus killing the whole point from a photographic viewpoint.
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I don't get the need for TTL, never used it. Manual flash isn't hard to figure, even if you have to do a couple of trial and error testers. You have really only 3 things to worry about. Just set the shutter speed you want, then it's ISO/aperture/flash power. It's just another element into controlling the light you desire. Practice.
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All these considerations require much
more understanding and mastering than
blind practice.
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TTL flash has its uses, when on the move I might go from bouncing off the wall behind, to bouncing off the ceiling to bouncing off the wall to my left, when the distances are variable, TTL is the dogs.
In more controlled environments, Manual flash is much more reliable, predictable etc.
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That's how I do it, I'm using manual flash for years now, still make mistakes but I get there, and a little more competent each time. I didn't say you will master it in one, you may never.
I mostly bounce too, but it's usually simply a matter of a quick power change on the go. Admittedly, it can be finicky to get going at first, and I imagine for weddings/pro shoots TTL will be better all round. But I'm on a budget, always, and manual only flashes are much cheaper.
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I was reacting to the saying "practice makes the master"
that is improperly used in things like this. Practice is only
good when the so called "muscle memory" (another impro-
per appellation!) is required.
In this case, it is more like the understanding of the tech-
que and remembering it… like any other notion. If there is
a "practice" here, I see it in quickly recognizing which ap-
proach and how much power will be needed and applied in
what way. The difficult part is that visual memory is not an
absolute reference.
You are right — one may never — because of that!
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I was reacting to the saying "practice makes the master"
that is improperly used in things like this. Practice is only
good when the so called "muscle memory" (another impro-
per appellation!) is required.
In this case, it is more like the understanding of the tech-
que and remembering it… like any other notion. If there is
a "practice" here, I see it in quickly recognizing which ap-
proach and how much power will be needed and applied in
what way. The difficult part is that visual memory is not an
absolute reference.
You are right — one may never — because of that!
How do you make your posts look like poems?
I wasn't suggesting anyone 'master' anything though. Anyway, I stand by my advice in many ways.
Practice,
Practice, Fail.
And you will improve each fail.
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…yeah, just the look!How do you make your posts look like poems?
As mentor. I learned that everyone
has one's own way to learn!
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…yeah, just the look!
As mentor. I learned that everyone
has one's own way rot learn!
That was cooler after you mis-typed
I think ..I am nobody, I shoot for me only. I merely throw a suggestion out here or there.
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Absolutely legitimate!
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To clarify re exp comp and flash exp comp.
They're set independently and Nikon and Canon implement them differently. So you need to give us a bit more detail or check the manual.
And I'd recommend the speedlighters handbook (with a tiny caveat if you're a Nikon shooter) and the hotshoe diaries which does detail the way Nikon FEC works.
They're set independently and Nikon and Canon implement them differently. So you need to give us a bit more detail or check the manual.
And I'd recommend the speedlighters handbook (with a tiny caveat if you're a Nikon shooter) and the hotshoe diaries which does detail the way Nikon FEC works.
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Exactly. But sometimes there is just no time to experiment of consider decisions, just let the camera figure it out as best it can in a fraction of a second. However, I have found that the less thinking you let the camera do, the more likely it is to get the flash exposure what I consider "right". For example, I get more first-time-successful TTL flash shots if I have the ISO fixed. As for exposure comp, some cameras seem to factor that into the flash exposure, and some seem to restrict exposure comp to ambient light and expect you to adjust the flash if required with flash exposure comp separately.
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Auto-TTL flash metering is invaluable for moving subjects where distance is changing more quickly than you can physically make manual adjustments, eg kids running around the garden, people moving towards the camera. It's also very useful in situations where things are changing a lot (as Phil sites) and while you might have time in theory, it's just so much easier to let the camera work things out so you can concentrate on the subject.
Flash exposure is often a complex business, much harder for the camera than normal ambient light meting. Flash can be difficult with both bright foreground subjects against dark backgrounds, then there's the ambient exposure to work out as well, and then balance flash and ambient together. It's no wonder the camera sometimes gets it wrong and it's one of those situations where evaluative/matrix metering that usually works pretty well, can either get it perfectly right, or end up being a bit too clever for its own good and get it completely wrong. So there's usually an option to switch to centre-weighted metering just for flash, which may or may not be more accurate, but is at least more predictable, less likely to be thrown completely the wrong way, and easier to moderate with flash exposure compensation.
Flash exposure is often a complex business, much harder for the camera than normal ambient light meting. Flash can be difficult with both bright foreground subjects against dark backgrounds, then there's the ambient exposure to work out as well, and then balance flash and ambient together. It's no wonder the camera sometimes gets it wrong and it's one of those situations where evaluative/matrix metering that usually works pretty well, can either get it perfectly right, or end up being a bit too clever for its own good and get it completely wrong. So there's usually an option to switch to centre-weighted metering just for flash, which may or may not be more accurate, but is at least more predictable, less likely to be thrown completely the wrong way, and easier to moderate with flash exposure compensation.