first rant of 2011..Petrol prices!

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Is it just me or has knowone noticed the increase in petrol prices lately.
I understand the new VAT rate was going to increase from today but it has already raised around 5p per litre in the last 2 weeks around gloucestershire before the additional VAT 3.5p went on today.
How much more must we take in increases before something has to happen.:faint:

Carl
 
Bad news I'm afraid, the vat rate doesn't actually go up until Tuesday the 4th. The rises today are due to the fuel duty levy that Alistair Darling announced and Osbourne decided to keep. The prices will be even higher come Tuesday. A real double whammy!!
 
...and another fuel-duty increase to come in April - combined with predicted increases in crude prices, means you all could be paying as much as £1.50 a litre by the Summer...
 
I thought the treasury were going to exempt fuel from the 20% vat rise, oh dear i think we could have a fuel protest looming soon, not a whisper this time a full on proper one ?
 
Arkady2 said:
...and another fuel-duty increase to come in April - combined with predicted increases in crude prices, means you all could be paying as much as £1.50 a litre by the Summer...
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its 1.30+ for diesel at the moment around here (here being ipswich) :(

talk about pricing you out of running a car, the bloody train costs more too.
 
Graham00 said:
I thought the treasury were going to exempt fuel from the 20% vat rise, oh dear i think we could have a fuel protest looming soon, not a whisper this time a full on proper one ?
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But that's the price it is! With most things you can decide to take it or leave it - unfortunately, with petrol they have us over a barrel ;-) [Excuse the pun]
 
The frustrating thing is there seems to be no alternative. For me and many others im sure,the distance to work is too far to travel on foot or by cycle and public transport is just as expensive as driving your car and takes twice as long.
The so called green & friendly options have not really materialised as the battery cars are little more than expensive toys.
Lets face it, even if viable battery power replaced petrol then electricity would be 3 times the price to compensate so what ever the alternatives may be it seems unless you are able to work from home or walk then you will have no choice but to bite your tongue and deal with it.
 
neil_g said:
more so..

car - £40/week (currently)
train - £14/day (currently)
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Add on something for the price of buying the car, and servicing/insuring/licensing the car and it probably gets a lot closer.
 
Graham00 said:
I thought the treasury were going to exempt fuel from the 20% vat rise, oh dear i think we could have a fuel protest looming soon, not a whisper this time a full on proper one ?
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About time we the motorist did something about it..
 
The cost of fuel is cheap. It's the tax they whack on the top that is obscene. Petrol stations should prepare for more drive offs and tanker delivery drivers should expect to be high jacked more often.

The only fuel protest that would work is if every single person that bought fuel refused to buy any for a month and used PT instead. The country would be on its knees in 3 days. Hospitals would have no doctors or nurses outside normal working hours and the power generation industry would collapse.

If the haulage industry joined in and refused to move food around there would be mass riots within 7 days.
 
srichards said:
The cost of fuel is cheap. It's the tax they whack on the top that is obscene. Petrol stations should prepare for more drive offs and tanker delivery drivers should expect to be high jacked more often.

The only fuel protest that would work is if every single person that bought fuel refused to buy any for a month and used PT instead. The country would be on its knees in 3 days. Hospitals would have no doctors or nurses outside normal working hours and the power generation industry would collapse.

If the haulage industry joined in and refused to move food around there would be mass riots within 7 days.
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Yeah, sounds ideal :thinking: pay a bit more for my petrol or have no food, water, electricity and rioting on my door step....it is a tough choice!
 
If you disagree with the rises then you have to get tough to actually get them reversed! This is what the French do. They're out there burning sheep and doing something rather than shrugging. The majority of the cost of fuel is TAX. The government work for US. If the majority wish the TAX to be reduced then they should listen as one of the tory policies was a fuel price stabiliser so that the TAX would be reduced to keep fuel prices more stable.

Also if you reduce the TAX you may find you actually get more money into the treasury anyway so punitive tax levels are counter productive.
 
srichards said:
The cost of fuel is cheap. It's the tax they whack on the top that is obscene. Petrol stations should prepare for more drive offs and tanker delivery drivers should expect to be high jacked more often.

The only fuel protest that would work is if every single person that bought fuel refused to buy any for a month and used PT instead. The country would be on its knees in 3 days. Hospitals would have no doctors or nurses outside normal working hours and the power generation industry would collapse.

If the haulage industry joined in and refused to move food around there would be mass riots within 7 days.
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It's getting everyone to pull together and stick at it untill prices fall, at the moment I do belive that for every Lt of fuel you/we buy the goverment get 75p, plus Car Tax, plus Toll's, but how do you get everyone to stick together?
 
srichards said:
If you disagree with the rises then you have to get tough to actually get them reversed! This is what the French do. They're out there burning sheep and doing something rather than shrugging.
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I'd rather pay the extra than stoop to the level of the French....
 
It'll keep the peasants from clogging up the roads so it has its upside :D
 
I live out in the country where the bus service runs a couple of times a week. Besides that, I often need to be at work at 6 a.m. several miles from where I live, and there's no way on this earth that it's possible to do that using public transport.

Now some might say why don't you just move closer to where you work. It's a nice theory, but I don't work in the same place all the time, so it's not practical to try and move closer to where I work, as in some cases I would be moving further away from where I need to work.

So I have to use a car. And the continuing rise in fuel prices is a bitter pill that i just have to keep swallowing as I have no feasible alternative.
 
Unless you live in a large city, public transport is useless. Something needs to be done!
 
cambsno said:
Unless you live in a large city, public transport is useless. Something needs to be done!
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what public transport :shrug:
don't have such a thing here
 
The cost of fuel actually forced us to move in 2009 as it was more expensive to commute to work than to live in the city and pay a bigger mortgage. Now the petrol prices are even higher we're now seriously looking at ditching the car altogether. My wife now uses a moped for work and when I my health improves enough for me to return to work I shall be cycling (7 miles each way) or using the bus when the weather is poor.
 
TTK said:
It's getting everyone to pull together and stick at it untill prices fall, at the moment I do belive that for every Lt of fuel you/we buy the goverment get 75p, plus Car Tax, plus Toll's, but how do you get everyone to stick together?
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Don't forget the money you use to pay for it has already been taxed, at up to 50%!!
 
Unpleasant as it may be - you're all missing the essential truth.
The country is almost broke.
Funds have to be generated somehow and this is just part of it.

If the UK wants to be a world player than it has to be a world-payer. The money has to come from somewhere - you can't just 'magic' it out of thin air.

But if you do want lower taxes, the solution is simple - cut services.

Bin the NHS and introduce private healthcare insurance - no insurance = no treatment.
Bin Public Education - pay up or teach your kids at home.
Bin the volunteer Professional Armed Forces - everyone does 18 months' National Service and gets conscripted to fight in Afghanistan with only four months training to sustain them, using 1970's era vehicles, uniforms and weapons to save even more money. We'd be like the Ecuadorian Army, only poorer.
Bin Public Transport. No-one uses it who doesn't have to anyway.
Bin the Highways Agency - all roads are privatised and you pay tolls to use them in addition to fuel costs.
 
According to petrolprices.com, a litre of petrol costing 119.9p at the pump breaks down as follows:
  • Duty - 57.19p
  • VAT - 17.86p
  • Product - 39.85p
  • Retailer/delivery - 5p
So - 62.6% goes in duty & vat (a total rip-off), 33.2% is the actual cost of the fuel, and 4.2% goes to the retailer.

http://www.petrolprices.com/price-of-petrol.html
 
Arkady2 said:
Unpleasant as it may be - you're all missing the essential truth.
The country is almost broke.
Funds have to be generated somehow and this is just part of it.
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Not everyone is unaware, I voted for a government on the grounds that I hoped would they balance the budget. I can't run my home spending more than I earn, the country should not be run that way either.

Trouble is, too many people seem to think it is acceptable to live life on credit :(
 
Arkady2 said:
Unpleasant as it may be - you're all missing the essential truth.
The country is almost broke.
Funds have to be generated somehow and this is just part of it.

If the UK wants to be a world player than it has to be a world-payer. The money has to come from somewhere - you can't just 'magic' it out of thin air.

But if you do want lower taxes, the solution is simple - cut services.

Bin the NHS and introduce private healthcare insurance - no insurance = no treatment.
Bin Public Education - pay up or teach your kids at home.
Bin the volunteer Professional Armed Forces - everyone does 18 months' National Service and gets conscripted to fight in Afghanistan with only four months training to sustain them, using 1970's era vehicles, uniforms and weapons to save even more money. We'd be like the Ecuadorian Army, only poorer.
Bin Public Transport. No-one uses it who doesn't have to anyway.
Bin the Highways Agency - all roads are privatised and you pay tolls to use them in addition to fuel costs.
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It might be an idea, to just make all new imigrants pay for the services as soon as they arrive rather than giving it for free. If they're not prepared to contribute for themselves and their faimly, they don't come in.
As far as tolls on roads. Both the Dartford Bridge and the Tunnels have been bought and paid for by the tolls, tolls were supposed to be scrapped as soon as the crossings had paid for themselves. But the government continues to make at least £50M a year in revenue from it even though the money should actually go to Essex and Kent County Councils, who would like the money to pay for another crossing to relieve the daily congestion at the crossings.
All "Public Transport" around here was privatised years ago. I'd be glad to see the back of buses anyway, they clog up the roads, especially as some dimwit did away with bus stop lay-byes and now the buses stop in the road.
 
Arkady2 said:
Unpleasant as it may be - you're all missing the essential truth.
The country is almost broke.
Funds have to be generated somehow and this is just part of it.

If the UK wants to be a world player than it has to be a world-payer. The money has to come from somewhere - you can't just 'magic' it out of thin air.

But if you do want lower taxes, the solution is simple - cut services.

Bin the NHS and introduce private healthcare insurance - no insurance = no treatment.
Bin Public Education - pay up or teach your kids at home.
Bin the volunteer Professional Armed Forces - everyone does 18 months' National Service and gets conscripted to fight in Afghanistan with only four months training to sustain them, using 1970's era vehicles, uniforms and weapons to save even more money. We'd be like the Ecuadorian Army, only poorer.
Bin Public Transport. No-one uses it who doesn't have to anyway.
Bin the Highways Agency - all roads are privatised and you pay tolls to use them in addition to fuel costs.
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What do you mean world player?

Don't agree with any of that.

UK is a tiny country. Why the need for UK to be involved in everything that goes on in the world?

Reduce benefit handouts, scrap trident, offer tax incentives for companies to locate here etc etc. So much can be done, but to some answer is taxation, taxation but that really is a different topic. Maybe stop going to wars that don't concern us as well would be helpful and close tax loopholes in which big business avoids.

I am not one of these people that's concerned with our position in the world. Once we were an Empire, but those days are long gone.

Also we need to get this country to sell products rather than buy, buy and buy some more from other countries.
 
nilagin said:
It might be an idea, to just make all new imigrants pay for the services as soon as they arrive rather than giving it for free. If they're not prepared to contribute for themselves and their faimly, they don't come in...
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I'd prefer to implement something similar to what the Aussies do: proof of a job to go to; proof of accommodation to live in; proof of unsubsidised income for a number of years (three years would be enough for someone to get on their feet), proof of UK resident sponsor (British National, not a resident immigrant) willing to vouch for them if it all goes wrong - they become the person's guarantor.
No immigrant should be eligable for any benefits other than healthcare until they have contributed for three years.
If they do not contribute within the three year limit, then even healthcare should be paid for and any healthcare recieved up to that point would be chargeable.

Political asylum seekers are a different category - I'm talking about economic refugees and immigrants.
 
Arkady2 said:
I'd prefer to implement something similar to what the Aussies do: proof of a job to go to; proof of accommodation to live in; proof of unsubsidised income for a number of years (three years would be enough for someone to get on their feet), proof of UK resident sponsor (British National, not a resident immigrant) willing to vouch for them if it all goes wrong - they become the person's guarantor.
No immigrant should be eligable for any benefits other than healthcare until they have contributed for three years.
If they do not contribute within the three year limit, then even healthcare should be paid for and any healthcare recieved up to that point would be chargeable.

Political asylum seekers are a different category - I'm talking about economic refugees and immigrants.
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That's exactly what Mrs OutLore had to go through to move here - and we were married. It also cost over £1000 just for the forms to be accepted etc.
 
It's times like this when I'm glad to have sold the car in favour of riding a 125cc bike.
Mind you, the weather itself isn't making it easy for me! I'll get my own back come Spring.
 
Arkady2 said:
I'd prefer to implement something similar to what the Aussies do: proof of a job to go to; proof of accommodation to live in; proof of unsubsidised income for a number of years (three years would be enough for someone to get on their feet), proof of UK resident sponsor (British National, not a resident immigrant) willing to vouch for them if it all goes wrong - they become the person's guarantor.
No immigrant should be eligable for any benefits other than healthcare until they have contributed for three years.
If they do not contribute within the three year limit, then even healthcare should be paid for and any healthcare recieved up to that point would be chargeable.

Political asylum seekers are a different category - I'm talking about economic refugees and immigrants.
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I think we already have a lot of that, I know someone who's wife was from Indonesia (or near there at least - he works in the oil industry and met her out there) and they had an enormous amount of hoops to jump through when she came to live here after the wedding. I'm not sure she's a British subject even now and they have since had three children together.
 
People still seem to happily drive huge and thirsty cars, and not only that they often drive them in a very uneconomical manner - racing up to red traffic lights and braking heavily, then flooring it again when they go green. I bet these are the same people who whinge about the cost of fuel. :bonk:
 
The hong kong model is an interesting one. They slashed taxes and have much better services than we do here. Unfortunately I don't think the greedy beggars at tesco would pass on the extra profits or employ extra people.

Bottom line is the public sector which takes money to run is bigger than the private sector which produces it. This has to be reversed. There are too many non jobs and pointless admin/managerial jobs. Some news item on Midlands Today mentioned coventry council had 10 layers of management. You might need 3 realistically.

The price of fuel affects everything more than any other commodity so it has to be controlled more rather than allowed to escalate to silly prices. There will be lower fuel tax receipts even with these increases so it is counter productive. As more people choose not to travel or to steal fuel then receipts will be lower still. I can high fuel prices leading to a second recession.
 
boliston said:
People still seem to happily drive huge and thirsty cars, and not only that they often drive them in a very uneconomical manner - racing up to red traffic lights and braking heavily, then flooring it again when they go green. I bet these are the same people who whinge about the cost of fuel. :bonk:
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Get a Mondeo ST TDCi. I've averaged 59mpg from several tanks in the summer, even in the winter the lowest I've had is around 49mpg from a tank. Hard acceleration and braking heavily isn't too detrimental to the fuel consumption either.:thumbs:
 
Yeah couple of months back I could get it for 113.9p now its like 122.9p ish
 
boliston said:
People still seem to happily drive huge and thirsty cars, and not only that they often drive them in a very uneconomical manner - racing up to red traffic lights and braking heavily, then flooring it again when they go green. I bet these are the same people who whinge about the cost of fuel. :bonk:
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50+mpg rocks my world..
 
Arkady2 said:
I'd prefer to implement something similar to what the Aussies do: proof of a job to go to; proof of accommodation to live in; proof of unsubsidised income for a number of years .

Political asylum seekers are a different category - I'm talking about economic refugees and immigrants.
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Do you mean economic migrants from outside of the EU, that figure must be tiny compared to the EU citizens that are allowed to come here by law.

I always find it amazing that 100s of thousands of EU citizens can come here and find work while there are 2.5 million out of work, get the lazy *******s off their arses and there'd be no jobs for anyone so they wouldn't come, more tax generated and less benefits paid out.

We're too soft in this country, I don't want to work so i'll spit 8 kids out instead
 
i used to get 50mpg from my focus, but age means i now only get 40 - 45mpg, which is costly when you do 80 miles per day. im happy to pay a little extra, but its now 1.30 per gallon, the farmers and truckers were out at less than £ per gallon, they got a deal, and now dont care, so those of us who do a lot of miles, either through employment or through living in the country, are the ones that suffer most. £60 a week on diesel soon, so I could change jobs, i'd need to find one at pays me more than £60 less than I earn now to make that work, or i could move, but cant afford to move, so thats out, or I could bend over and take it, with no lube
 
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