First editing tablet - medium or small?

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further to other posts I could not see this question covered, i am also looking for a first editing tablet
i use LR and PS elements if it makes any difference and I am trying to decide on the size of the tablet. Apart from space on the desk what does size matter?

For Huion for example, there are some which are 22cm on the longest end whereas others are 35cm on the longer end

does bigger mean more sensitivity or less moving your editing window?
assume i do not have a problem with space on my desk

thanks in advance for any advice
Brian
 
I use (at the moment) a Wacom Intuos, The entire tablet is about the size of a sheet of A4, perhaps a small amount larger. Previous to this I have used earlier versions of Wacoms - one an A4ish and one around A5 size. I had both of those at the same time and could swap between them. Prior to that I had a cheaper brand, a bit larger than A5 and I forgot, an A5 ish one in my work place, cant remember the brand. All of them lasted years, so choose carefully.

Points worth finding out about or worth knowing:

1. How big is the working pad area compared to the entire pad area - they have quite big margins around. My pad also has 'buttons' at the side you can customise which increases the pad size as they take up space.

2. Do you want customisable buttons. I was annoyed to have them when I bought it then found they were very helpful if you sit with it on your lap away from the keyboard. They can trigger features and zoom the screen in/out as well as other stuff.

3. Pads can have customisable work space - you set the parameters of how much work pad you wish to use, so you can make the pad size effectively smaller by setting different boundaries if you want to reduce hand movement. I do not know if all pads now do this.

4. Will you work with the pad flat on the desk or on your lap etc? The much larger pads need desk space and dont fit on laps. Middle and small are OK, I often do not use the desk surface.

5. If you are travelling lots, get a smaller one. Get a pen shape you think you can hold for long periods comfortably.

6. Using a small one is not much different for basic stuff, maybe a really keen artist would find more difference. The actual working area on my pad is quite small, Maybe 7x 4 inches. I dont have a ruler to hand. The whole pad though is as I said a bit bigger than A4. There is no issue at all for me with a working area this small, I am very happy with it. Detail work and moving about the screen is not an issue.

7. Different brands offer additional different pen modifiers and spares, some offer no alternatives.

8. Dont get a pen that has a battery in it, its a pain.

9. Some of the tablets can be run by wire or by an adaptor that makes them wireless. This is an added cost. I have not bothered with an adaptor as I like my stuff to keep working without battery issues and wires don't bother me at all. If you use a wire,make sure it is replaceable, Wacoms seem to be now, they just plug in a standard cable. My last tablet failed due to the tablet to pc wire fatiguing, it was moulded on to the tablet so could not be replaced so the whole thing had to be scrapped.

10. I think tablet sensitivity is in lines per inch. Reputable tablets will openly state their sensitivity - the higher the number the more sensitive. If they dont want to tell you, they are hiding that info for a reason! Some also are sensitive to pen tilt, which is of use to artists.

11. Tablets are great fun and I never use a mouse now, not for anything at all - it seems primitive compared to a tablet. Also less repetitive strain risk from a tablet.

12. make sure you can get extra replacement nips for the pens in addition to the one in the box

14. When you get your pen, show it to all your housemates and tell them it is not a biro, but very expensive, so when it willl not write, they are not to just throw it away!

15. You can change the speed of travel of you pen across the pad in the software (check before you buy) so again, this allows for working on different size tablets easily.

16. If you can find a graphic designer forum or a retouching forum it might be worth asking your questions there as well. Try RetouchPro forum - free, helpful.

17. I know 2 or 3 people who moved to tablets. They all hated them for the first 2 weeks and then they loved them. Persevere if you find a tablet/pad difficult initially, you will be so glad before very long.
 
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I use (at the moment) a Wacom Intuos, The entire tablet is about the size of a sheet of A4, perhaps a small amount larger. Previous to this I have used earlier versions of Wacoms - one an A4ish and one around A5 size. I had both of those at the same time and could swap between them. Prior to that I had a cheaper brand, a bit larger than A5 and I forgot, an A5 ish one in my work place, cant remember the brand. All of them lasted years, so choose carefully.

Points worth finding out about or worth knowing:

1. How big is the working pad area compared to the entire pad area - they have quite big margins around. My pad also has 'buttons' at the side you can customise which increases the pad size as they take up space.

2. Do you want customisable buttons. I was annoyed to have them when I bought it then found they were very helpful if you sit with it on your lap away from the keyboard. They can trigger features and zoom the screen in/out as well as other stuff.

3. Pads can have customisable work space - you set the parameters of how much work pad you wish to use, so you can make the pad size effectively smaller by setting different boundaries if you want to reduce hand movement. I do not know if all pads now do this.

4. Will you work with the pad flat on the desk or on your lap etc? The much larger pads need desk space and dont fit on laps. Middle and small are OK, I often do not use the desk surface.

5. If you are travelling lots, get a smaller one. Get a pen shape you think you can hold for long periods comfortably.

6. Using a small one is not much different for basic stuff, maybe a really keen artist would find more difference. The actual working area on my pad is quite small, Maybe 7x 4 inches. I dont have a ruler to hand. The whole pad though is as I said a bit bigger than A4. There is no issue at all for me with a working area this small, I am very happy with it. Detail work and moving about the screen is not an issue.

7. Different brands offer additional different pen modifiers and spares, some offer no alternatives.

8. Dont get a pen that has a battery in it, its a pain.

9. Some of the tablets can be run by wire or by an adaptor that makes them wireless. This is an added cost. I have not bothered with an adaptor as I like my stuff to keep working without battery issues and wires don't bother me at all. If you use a wire,make sure it is replaceable, Wacoms seem to be now, they just plug in a standard cable. My last tablet failed due to the tablet to pc wire fatiguing, it was moulded on to the tablet so could not be replaced so the whole thing had to be scrapped.

10. I think tablet sensitivity is in lines per inch. Reputable tablets will openly state their sensitivity - the higher the number the more sensitive. If they dont want to tell you, they are hiding that info for a reason! Some also are sensitive to pen tilt, which is of use to artists.

11. Tablets are great fun and I never use a mouse now, not for anything at all - it seems primitive compared to a tablet. Also less repetitive strain risk from a tablet.

12. make sure you can get extra replacement nips for the pens in addition to the one in the box

14. When you get your pen, show it to all your housemates and tell them it is not a biro, but very expensive, so when it willl not write, they are not to just throw it away!

15. You can change the speed of travel of you pen across the pad in the software (check before you buy) so again, this allows for working on different size tablets easily.

16. If you can find a graphic designer forum or a retouching forum it might be worth asking your questions there as well. Try RetouchPro forum - free, helpful.

17. I know 2 or 3 people who moved to tablets. They all hated them for the first 2 weeks and then they loved them. Persevere if you find a tablet/pad difficult initially, you will be so glad before very long.

Jay - thank you for your informative and really helpful post. Plenty there I had not considered. I'd certainly not considered using it on my lap, nor it taking over from my mouse.

And I loved your comment 14 - long time since I've had housemates but I better tell her indoors ;)

I think I will go Wacom - your point about they last a while is a good one.

Thank you again

Brian
 
I've got an A4 sized intuos one. One of the first jobs I did when customising it was to reduce the active area by about 50%. This seems odd, but I didn't want full sized brush strokes.

The key is, with a bigger pad you can reduce it easily on a temporary basis, you can't make a smaller pad bigger :)
 
Can't add much more Jay has covered pretty much everything, only I will say is I have got the intuos pro medium, and I wish I would of got the small one, why ? well because I don't tend to use the dials on the left side I don't ever see myself using it in my lap, and I have it mapped to about 5in square on the pad, so hardly use any of it, if you can get hold of a intuos 4 go for one of those as you can change the pad cover on those for about £15 on the pro it has to be sent off to Wacom which I'm guessing will cost quite a bit more
 
I have a small A5 Sized tablet. The size is great. And the strokes feel about right. I have used large tablets (A4 - A1) in the past. But always reduced the sketching area.

A benefit of this size, is you can easily pick it up and put it to one side when not in use. It doesn't take up much space on the desk. I still use a mouse for tasks other than retouching in Gimp, such as drawing.
 
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I have a small A5 Sized tablet. The size is great. And the strokes feel about right. I have used large tablets (A4 - A1) in the past. But always reduced the sketching area.

A benefit of this size, is you can easily pick it up and put it to one side when not in use. It doesn't take up much space on the desk. I still use a mouse for tasks other than retouching in Gimp, such as drawing.

Can't add much more Jay has covered pretty much everything, only I will say is I have got the intuos pro medium, and I wish I would of got the small one, why ? well because I don't tend to use the dials on the left side I don't ever see myself using it in my lap, and I have it mapped to about 5in square on the pad, so hardly use any of it, if you can get hold of a intuos 4 go for one of those as you can change the pad cover on those for about £15 on the pro it has to be sent off to Wacom which I'm guessing will cost quite a bit more

I've got an A4 sized intuos one. One of the first jobs I did when customising it was to reduce the active area by about 50%. This seems odd, but I didn't want full sized brush strokes.

The key is, with a bigger pad you can reduce it easily on a temporary basis, you can't make a smaller pad bigger :)

Thanks guys - plenty to consider. Two votes for smaller and one for larger! I appreciate your thoughts.
 
Thanks again all. I've popped a wanted ad in the classifieds - i I don't get a nibble I'll go shopping!
 
Usually a big Wacom display at the Photo Show. They have had some good deals. 2/3 years ago I went and thought 'what lovely tablets, but not relevant to me for some time' then my own packed up about a week after and i had to pay Amazon price, with no offer. When it came in the post and got down to the product packaging I thought it was one of the most beautifully packaged items I have ever bought - gave Apple a run for their money.

If I bought again, I would now choose to have the buttons on the tablet, they do really help. Note also that you can 'reverse' the pad in the software and physically so the buttons are on the opposite end in use - great for left handers like me.

Wacom - the pen stand usually has spare nibs stored inside, its easy to miss this.
 
Before you go and spend hard earned cash do two things
First look at maplins returns, I got a brand new Intuos photo (A5) for a lot less than new
Second there is a Intous Draw tablet ( a5) for a lot less than the Photo model but it looks to be the same but without the editing software (which if you have LR and PS you don't need)
Check and see if they are the same
 
Some great info above - one thing that I don't see mentioned, maybe because you wont know the answer yet, is will you use it in pen mode or mouse mode.
I've used a tablet for getting on 10 years and never looked back, but i use mouse mode. This mean the area i actually use is pretty small, (I have an A4 version) I hardly move my hands, and the nib of the pen only travels a couple of inches in one go. This is personal choice obviously, but for photography photoshop tasks such as painting in a mask etc, size isn't that important if in mouse mode. I have used an a5 version and found the only downside to the size was more an issue related to the comfort of my wrist against the edge of the tablet, not the usable area of the tablet itself. Good luck.
 
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I've got a medium and large intuos - always use the large but just for when detailed work is needed so only in editing in photoshop. Painting, masking, detailed selection etc, and the larger the better for detailed work. However - they aren't cheap.
 
I had a large Intuos, I got rid of it for a medium. I do mostly detailed retouching work. I found the arm movements required to cover the canvas on the large tablet far too tiring doing 7-8 hours retouching a day. The Medium tablet is far, far more ergonomic, consumes less space on the desk (Meaning I have have my keyboard on the left and the mouse on the right (for monitor two) and is a lot cheaper.

I also never use the buttons on the Inutos4, they're terribly cheap and nasty, and because I keep the keyboard in reach access to the full compliment of keyboard shortcuts trumps the buttons IMO. The touchwheel is also uselessly unresponsive - I'd advice not factoring its use into your purchase if you end up looking at a model 4.
 
If you have an iPad Pro (12" or the 9") and the pen and you use a Mac computer (yes lots of IFs there), then you could try Astropad.

£23 on the App store and lets you use an iPad via USB or wireless as a kind of Wacom Cintiq. Probably not as good as a real drawing tablet but could be worth it to give you some idea.
 
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Thank you all - I grabbed a second hand bamboo off Rich - i was torn between the advice and figured dipping my toes was the only way to find out
 
I had a large Intuos, I got rid of it for a medium. I do mostly detailed retouching work. I found the arm movements required to cover the canvas on the large tablet far too tiring doing 7-8 hours retouching a day. The Medium tablet is far, far more ergonomic, consumes less space on the desk (Meaning I have have my keyboard on the left and the mouse on the right (for monitor two) and is a lot cheaper.

I also never use the buttons on the Inutos4, they're terribly cheap and nasty, and because I keep the keyboard in reach access to the full compliment of keyboard shortcuts trumps the buttons IMO. The touchwheel is also uselessly unresponsive - I'd advice not factoring its use into your purchase if you end up looking at a model 4.

I quite like the touchwheel, works well for zoom etc and you can assign the buttons to your most used functions. I have a large desk, so when using the tablet move the keyboard above it so I can still use key combinations as well.

But it's a tool, you use it as suits your need. Not everyone is the same
 
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