Finding a style

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First a confession; I'm hopeless at editing my images. I have Lightroom 5 and PhotoShop CS6 and probably only know about five percent of their features combined. Yesterday I had the absolute pleasure of watching the Red Arrows perform in Abu Dhabi, and although I barely got anything I liked, what I did get now look ridiculous as a set. The editing for all of them is totally inconsistent and I'm close to deleting them all out of shame :lol:

What I would like to know is how you developed your own editing style (and shooting for that matter) :shrug:
 
Hi Adam. Everyone will have a unique answer to those questions! I know how I developed my shooting style; I took (and continue to take) LOTS of photos. Especially when I started out I'd spend a lot of time carefully looking at the results and seeing what might have been better. Then I'd try that next time. By sheer dint of taking thousands and thousands of utter bilge water photos I pretty much know what I'm going to get when I take a shot now. Honest, it was just trial and error, with a lot of error.

Editing is another story. I find it almost impossible to whip through a set of photos and always end up taking lots of time. I use Lightroom almost exclusively, and believe me, my best tool is a collection of presets that I have created over time. They can almost always get me in the ballpark of what I want for any scene, then I just tweak each image on its own merits. If you don't already have presets I suggest that as a really good place to start getting more efficient with LR. Good luck!

David
 
Shooting style and editing style are completely different things.

The problem with developing a certain style of processing is that most people tend to use it all the time regardless of subject matter... and as a result, it only works sometimes. It's like a stopped clock - right twice a day, but more often than not, wrong. Good editing should compliment the image, and so is often different from image to image. Certain things can define a style though. Use of colour for instance, or the way you crop images (either in camera or afterwards), composition, or even the subjects you shoot... they all add up to a person's style. It's never a result of one thing alone.

PARTS of the editing process can become a constant for you, and help give an image a certain look to them. I have certain things I tend to do a great deal, such as alter the tonal range by layer blending with B&W versions, but again, it's not something I could save as a preset and just repeat, as the filtration of B&W changes depending in the colours in the scene.... and I can recognise that it gives much of my work a certain look to it... but it's subtle mostly.

Ask yourself this though. Think of the photographers that have the most recognisable "styles". Is it actually processing, or is it something else? Sometimes it's processing... Ansel Adams for example: It's what he did to the images after shooting them more than the images themselves that defined his work, but it was also his immense technical craft with a camera and his strict adherence to formal composition. Above all though... great lighting being captured.

However, that's not the case for most. Martin Parr = Ring Flash, daylight sync, saturated R-type prints and irreverently throwing the camera club 101 composition rule book out of the window.. so most of what makes Parr, Parr is actually camera work. His best known work (what most people imagine when they hear the name Martin Parr) was pre-digital, so limited options for colour images 30 years ago. Above all else though.... it's WHAT he shot that defined Parr.. not how he shot it... HOW he shot it was just the icing on the cake.. a nice finishing touch, it was a combination of interesting use of lighting, and strong and engaging subject matter... and a splash of controversy that made him.

Dorothea Lange: Not much processing going on here... pretty straight black and white film photography. Nicely printed when you see a print for real... clearly some dodging and burning going on... but essentially straight photography.. she probably didn't print her own work any way. If you look at her contact sheets though, it is clear that it IS editing that makes her work great, but not editing as you're discussing it, but editing in the literal sense.. as in choosing what image to go with and which ones to junk.... in other words, a keen eye for what makes a photograph engaging.

Joel Peter Witkin: It's pretty much what he shot (he's still alive but I've seen nothing new from him for 20 years or so) that made him what he is. Again, there IS a style of lighting and printing that puts the final stamp on his work.. but lighting is not a post process.

Nick Knight. Lighting.. the end

Tim Walker: Lighting and themes/Narratives

Giocomo Brunelli: Camera work and lighting

The aesthetics of an image can play a role, but even with those such as Parr and Adams who rely on a strong aesthetic, still really become great because of what they shoot and how they shoot it rather than processing.

I think the over-riding factor is subject matter, lighting and camera work. They should ALWAYS come before processing. Without those as the foundation, processing is a thin and unconvincing veneer that most can see through.

My advice is, stop worrying over post processing techniques. That's not what makes great photography anyway. Spend some time revisiting your images with an eye to NOT processing them at all. Look for more interesting things within the photograph itself. Interesting subject matter... things that will engage the viewer. Great expressions on people, great lighting, nicely times moments, topical subject matter etc.

The biggest mistake I see in people's work is randomly walking around with a camera just "capturing" stuff with far less attention to detail than they give the "captures" when sat at the computer. Are you a photographer, or digital artist?

The best thing to do is decide what you want to shoot before you even leave the house. Decide on a project. Decide what you want your images to say.

Take street photography as an example. It's easy to think, "I'll just go out and shoot people in the street" and yes, you may get the odd gem here and there.. that will always happen, but the attrition rate when editing will be HUGE as you're relying on serendipity. How about deciding on what you want to capture first? What IS it about peopel that makes you want to shoot them (Ha!.... pun intended)... is it the way they behave, look... what is it? There's some really interesting traits people have... maybe take a leaf out of Parr's book ( I don;'t mean shoot with ring flash etc.). Look critically at us as a nation... our little idiosyncrasies. Why do we naturally form a queue even when there's no barrier there? In some countries... no barrier = bear pit, survival of the fittest... but we're so terribly... British about it. THAT'S interesting.... go out with a mind to capture that instead of just capturing "people".

The stronger the content, the less you'll feel inclined to paper over the cracks with processing, and processing will become the icing that just lends it a nice subtle touch to put your mark on it.

After all... you're discussing air show shots here.. Realistically.. how much processing can you do before they start to look ridiculous any way? If you feel the editing's inconsistency was what made them look ridiculous, then don't "edit" them. Just decide how much levels, curves etc, you want to make them look punchy and vibrant for example, and leave it at that.
 
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Shooting style and editing style are completely different things.

The problem with developing a certain style of processing is that most people tend to use it all the time regardless of subject matter... and as a result, it only works sometimes. It's like a stopped clock - right twice a day, but more often than not, wrong. Good editing should compliment the image, and so is often different from image to image. Certain things can define a style though. Use of colour for instance, or the way you crop images (either in camera or afterwards), composition, or even the subjects you shoot... they all add up to a person's style. It's never a result of one thing alone..................................

Excellent post David, though too much post to quote the whole thing!

There is a lot to learn from the post, and I think that one of the greatest problems with digital photography is that it is so cheap - you can take thousands of shots and just delete the dross with no cost, and that seems to be what a lot of people are now doing. Little thought seems to go into the lighting, composition, even subject matter, with the idea that "it can be fixed in post".

I am sure if a lot of people who seriously wanted to improve their photography (especially those without deep pockets) were given a film camera and a roll of film, they would quickly realise that every shot counts, and needs some time and consideration, rather than simply machine-gunning digital and hoping there will be a good image there somewhere. Use a 5 x 4 camera and wasted shots really hurt your pockets, so you do become better quickly at getting it right in camera. Post processing should be about making a good shot great, not rescuing mundane shots and turning them into masterpieces - as the saying goes, you can't polish a turd!

Editing style then is a different consideration - are you a photographer or a digital artist. The photographer would use pp skills in the same way as a traditional darkroom worker would have done to bring out the best in the image, dodging and burning, adding or reducing contrast, etc, whereas the digital artist sometimes changes the image so much that the end result bears little resemblance to the photograph as taken. This is an issue that seems to be causing concern for photographers who are not artists at the moment, as most judges at camera clubs and exhibitions seem to favour images that a lot of photographers call digital art, not photography. Whereas you can teach someone photography (technical skills and composition can be taught), you can't make them an artist as that is something inherent in the person to begin with.
 
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