Final Cut Pro X - don't waste your money

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Its here, but was it worth the wait? It doesn't feel like a replacement for FCP7 more like iMovie. If you've already got FCP or even FCE do not waste your money.

The equivalent would be, if Ford introduced a new Fiesta with no steering wheel, no accelerator and no doors.

At present I hate it, and can't see it being adopted by pros. Great for the home market, but expensive.

Long live Avid
 
The general consensus across the forums is that Apple really have "dropped the ball" on this one. No professional in his right mind would upgrade to it, it just can't do the basic bread and butter work.The sad fact is that Apple appear to have quit the non linear editing world, even sadder is the fact that I have spend £179 on software which I fully expect to be on sale on the App store for £8.99 very soon.

http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/final-cut-pro-x-whats-missing-for-some-pros
 
ding76uk said:
You have had it one day, it does look like it has a more graphical interface, but once you are used to it then it will be as good if not better. Apple would not drop the ball on this, it is one of their flagships.

Spend some time with it! If you are coming from Avid it will obviously be a learning curve for you.
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don't be so sure about APple not dropping balls - they've done it before with the 3rd generation ipod shuffle that had no controls on the body and you were forced to use apple headphones and not the pair you just spent £250 on!!!!
 
Yeah.. what happened to this. I never liked FCP but I understand the pro nature of it (having had to use it at work) and now they hit out with iMovie on steroids. Hmmm.. Maybe Apple think there's not much money in the pro 'moving picture' market anymore, look what happened to Shake. It was awesome and then they just dropped and during the vacuum it made people were still using it years after it stopped development. Nuke and Fusion fill the gap now but there's still tools in Shake that I could with now.

I don't think they develop Quicktime anymore.

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by all accounts, and the feature list, it looks a lot like Final Cut, not Final Cut _Pro_.

Annoying.
 
http://vimeo.com/25645130 this is incredible.

while some of this is getting worked on apparently:

no multiclip?
no r3d?
broken color?
no working with existing projects from fcp7?

Apple, why the actual **** are you treating us all like ****ing amateurs who do nothing but make ******** videos of our kittens?
 
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itsdavedotnet said:
Apple, why the actual **** are you treating us all like ****ing amateurs who do nothing but make ******** videos of our kittens?
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i wonder if thats it, maybe they just decided they didn't want to bother with a pro program any more and there was more revenue in the home market?
 
One of the big things that's been touted about Final Cut Pro X in the digital SLR video field is it's ability to transcode video on the fly during import, which will save a lot of time. Perhaps thats an indication of where they see the market
 
There are loads of great features in FCPX. Features that everyone in the industry has been wanting for years, back ground render, ability to edit natively with a wide range of formats, 64 bit multiprocessor support etc. The thing is, no one asked them to re design the interface, in the process making it far less flexible and in my opinion far less intuitive to use. This is a huge mess up, the only solution to which is to replace the font end with something very similar to FCP7. It would be great if Apple would do this as a patch, but somehow I think this is unlikely.

http://www.dvcreators.net/what-does...olution-think-of-the-final-cut-pro-x-release/
 
back ground render, ability to edit natively with a wide range of formats, 64 bit multiprocessor support etc.
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so premiere pro? ;)
 
From Apples point of view, I guess its good business though?

they might have peed off 10% of Final cut pro users that will turn their back on the product... 40% will just not bother updating... 50% will think it still does everything i need and more... and it's a cheap upgrade - or downgrade :)

How many hundreds of thousands of new users will it produce at a retail of £179 compared to the £800 for fcs 7, or the £700 for Premiere Pro.
With every DSLR shooting pretty good quality video, surely that's where the market lies, persuade people that imovie doesnt quite cut it, and final cut pro x is dirt cheap at £179, so it may just persuade a few thousand more people to buy macs.

I do agree, it's a shame when a company with such a good product seem to make such a huge change in direction with the apparent lack of concern for it's current users.

I think Aperture users have felt the same, as iphoto and aperture become closer and closer, so will imovie and fcp perhaps..

We have come to expect that when we buy a bit of software, that the company will produce a better version in 18 months times.... im not sure if that is good or right or even why :)
 
Unless Apple bring out FCP8 (really quickly) - Premiere, deserves to become the dominant system. Although I love Avid, they have been far too slow to update. I really can't see a market for FCPX. At £179 its too expensive for home and not flexiable enough for Pro use. I'm finding it difficult to do basic, basic stuff on it. It really is a disaster.
 
To be fair, Avid haven't ever really updated properly, they've just added extra bangs and whistles. But IMHO It's still by far the most useable and stable NL editing system out there.

I've got a lot of time for FCP and even Premier in the right environment and Avid could learn a lot from them I just wish they'd get a move on.
 
The full ramifications of Apple's consumer focus are becoming clear for professionals - and it's not good news for FCP users.

For a start Apple have deleted FCP 7 - you can't buy it any more. Quite a problem if you are a professional manufacturer that rely on FCP editors Until they can get FCP X working with their systems they don't have solutions anymore. And Apple don't seem to be in any hurry to release the SDK information needed for good integration.

Apples' defence that 3rd parties will fill some of the gaps doesn't seem to be holding up either. Here's a couple of quotes:

“You can’t go forward, and you can’t go back,” he says. “So many people have tape libraries that they cannot touch. Automatic Duck’s plug-in is great and, yes, AJA’s drivers are out. But those drivers are not really ready just yet.” Jeff Stansfield, System Integrator

“AJA has posted a workaround for preview and capture, but it’s nowhere near what pros expect or need. " Gary Bettan, VideoGuys

Source: http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/headlines/13276.html

And finally even if you want to buy FCP X as a corporate you can't as it's app store only. Stansfield again “So Disney, right now, has 2,700 copies of Final Cut. They would have to register 2,700 separate iTunes [Apple] accounts, which is really, really hard to do when you’re all connected via a shared network. Until Apple announces special licensing fixes for studios with more than a few seats, it is just too unwieldy for them to move ahead with the upgrade. We do a lot of large installs and we’re advising all of them to wait.”

All of the above point to Apple focusing on their consumer business.
 
Byker28i said:
The full ramifications of Apple's consumer focus are becoming clear for professionals - and it's not good news for FCP users.

For a start Apple have deleted FCP 7 - you can't buy it any more. Quite a problem if you are a professional manufacturer that rely on FCP editors Until they can get FCP X working with their systems they don't have solutions anymore. And Apple don't seem to be in any hurry to release the SDK information needed for good integration.

Apples' defence that 3rd parties will fill some of the gaps doesn't seem to be holding up either. Here's a couple of quotes:

“You can’t go forward, and you can’t go back,” he says. “So many people have tape libraries that they cannot touch. Automatic Duck’s plug-in is great and, yes, AJA’s drivers are out. But those drivers are not really ready just yet.” Jeff Stansfield, System Integrator

“AJA has posted a workaround for preview and capture, but it’s nowhere near what pros expect or need. " Gary Bettan, VideoGuys

Source: http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/headlines/13276.html

And finally even if you want to buy FCP X as a corporate you can't as it's app store only. Stansfield again “So Disney, right now, has 2,700 copies of Final Cut. They would have to register 2,700 separate iTunes [Apple] accounts, which is really, really hard to do when you’re all connected via a shared network. Until Apple announces special licensing fixes for studios with more than a few seats, it is just too unwieldy for them to move ahead with the upgrade. We do a lot of large installs and we’re advising all of them to wait.”

All of the above point to Apple focusing on their consumer business.
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lol! disney registering 2700 seperate accounts!

I'm pretty sure that if Walt rings up Steve he'll be able to send them over a usb drive with it on for them :lol:
 
Why doesn't Disney just sign up for 1 account, buy FCP X then login as the same account on all 2700 machines, job done! (pretty sure you're allowed to do that according to their terms, but can't find them on apples site.)
 
maninsuitcase said:
Why doesn't Disney just sign up for 1 account, buy FCP X then login as the same account on all 2700 machines, job done! (pretty sure you're allowed to do that according to their terms, but can't find them on apples site.)
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I'm pretty sure steve jobs is still disney's largest shareholder - i'm sure he has disney covered :thumbs:
 
Does anyone know if this can pull in M2TS files straight from a Camcorder (i.e. as per iMovie, but not FCP 7)?
 
Byker28i said:
The full ramifications of Apple's consumer focus are becoming clear for professionals - and it's not good news for FCP users.
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On a related note I'm slightly nervous about some of the rumours I'm hearing about Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Server being somewhat dumbed down too. :suspect:

this after Apple killed the X-Serve earlier this year, so I'm expected to replace it with a Mac Mini or a Mac Pro in a 7U rack cage :bang:
 
Final Cut (and even Mac Pros) may only produce a tiny fraction of Apples profits, but it seems weird to kill off such a successful and well respected piece of software. Because without major revision, this is what they have done. As things stand FCP is dead.
 
gingerweasel said:
Apple puts older Final Cut Pro back on sale:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14762758
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because they wouldn't have to throw away all of those...... expensive CD's. :thinking:


apple pitches itself as a 'fun' computer system, but if you're going to have professional customers, you've got to offer a professional range. They've already discontinued their x-serve range... :/
 
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