FIA (Ferrari International Assistance)

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:lol::lol: A post I was putting on another forum while you were posting this Rob....the thread title.. Double Standards!

So, the FIA is appointing a 'fair play' scrutineer to watch over the McLaren garage at Brazil and make sure both drivers get equal treatment. Also there will be head of Spanish Motorsport, Carlos Gracia, at the personal invite of RD, after the Spaniard complained to the FIA that Alonso has been treated appallingly recently. I pressume he didnt complain when FA tried to use blackmail to get preferential treatment, or withhold information about possible ill-gotten information for a couple a months until it suited him to use that information?

So, here we go again with double standards.... all those years of MS getting preferential treatment resulted in what? Oh yes, a disrepute charge for irregular podium antics at Austria 02. A fair play scrutineer? Barrichello and Irvine can only dream of such events. MS had priority ALL season, every season, which made damn sure his team mate was never IN such a position as FA and LH are now. Now ok, maybe his team mates were never quite up to the task anyway, even with equal treatment, so what about the last few races, while Massa was still as much in contention as Kimi? Fair play scrutineer there? A man to question Massa's mysteriously convenient late pit stop? Nope, didn't see one there either.... in fact, come to think of it, why wasn't there one when in 96 when JV & DH were both in with a shout at the last race, or prior to that when....well, I needn't go on, you get my drift.
 
The easy and accurate answer would be that it never happened in those instances because the 'second' driver knew his place and wasn't a whining child.
 
Ratty said:
The easy and accurate answer would be that it never happened in those instances because the 'second' driver knew his place and wasn't a whining child.
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Are you suggesting that Ferraris "second driver" accepted, actioned and thereby condoned team orders which are expressly forbidden by the FIA rules?
 
LadyLens said:
:lol::lol: A post I was putting on another forum while you were posting this Rob....the thread title.. Double Standards!

So, the FIA is appointing a 'fair play' scrutineer to watch over the McLaren garage at Brazil and make sure both drivers get equal treatment. Also there will be head of Spanish Motorsport, Carlos Gracia, at the personal invite of RD, after the Spaniard complained to the FIA that Alonso has been treated appallingly recently. I pressume he didnt complain when FA tried to use blackmail to get preferential treatment, or withhold information about possible ill-gotten information for a couple a months until it suited him to use that information?

So, here we go again with double standards.... all those years of MS getting preferential treatment resulted in what? Oh yes, a disrepute charge for irregular podium antics at Austria 02. A fair play scrutineer? Barrichello and Irvine can only dream of such events. MS had priority ALL season, every season, which made damn sure his team mate was never IN such a position as FA and LH are now. Now ok, maybe his team mates were never quite up to the task anyway, even with equal treatment, so what about the last few races, while Massa was still as much in contention as Kimi? Fair play scrutineer there? A man to question Massa's mysteriously convenient late pit stop? Nope, didn't see one there either.... in fact, come to think of it, why wasn't there one when in 96 when JV & DH were both in with a shout at the last race, or prior to that when....well, I needn't go on, you get my drift.
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Great rant ;)

It would be interesting to see how Ferrari justified the contractual obligation they made to provide MS with preferential treatment, in terms of conforming with the FIA's ruling on team orders?
 
The cynic in me says its a way of giving Raikkonen the best chance of winning the tiltle.
 
I heard that Alonso would only blab if he had some sort of protection against McLaren getting their own back (eg pit crew downing tools for the same 10 seconds he held Hamilton up for earlier in the season)
 
spannerdude said:
Are you suggesting that Ferraris "second driver" accepted, actioned and thereby condoned team orders which are expressly forbidden by the FIA rules?
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I'm not suggesting anything at all.
the fact remains that anyone who thinks that there is one single team in this 'sport' that doesn't give priorities at some point is naive beyond my belief.
 
exactly ratty, alot of teams give priority to one driver in alot of motorsports, be it in getting more testing, the chance to run new components first etc.

the only problem at mclaren was that alonso made the assumption that as a double world champion he would recieve prefferential status within the team over his rookie team-mate. and this obviously wasnt the case.


i think this whole "equality" scrutineer business is beyond rediculous and again its gone to show how apt the formula one "circus" name is!


on a personal level though..... if you were a team with a driver that continues to slate your efforts publicly would you want him to win the championship over his team mate who has supported the team 100%. i know i wouldnt
 
whitewash said:
exactly ratty, alot of teams give priority to one driver in alot of motorsports, be it in getting more testing, the chance to run new components first etc.

the only problem at mclaren was that alonso made the assumption that as a double world champion he would recieve prefferential status within the team over his rookie team-mate. and this obviously wasnt the case.


i think this whole "equality" scrutineer business is beyond rediculous and again its gone to show how apt the formula one "circus" name is!


on a personal level though..... if you were a team with a driver that continues to slate your efforts publicly would you want him to win the championship over his team mate who has supported the team 100%. i know i wouldnt
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:lol: On which note, I also have to c&p my opening post of a race preview thread....

Well, this it, the final race of the season, and the decider. With 3 guys still all capable of taking the WDC, after a season fraught with hype, espionage, counter-claims, insults and now 'fair play' scrutineers, I am not sure whether this will be a sensational climax or a mad anti-climax. One thing is for sure, it is a season that has probably revealed F1 for the circus full of clowns that it really is, more than any other season before it. RingMaster Moseley being the biggest of them all, but his side kick Todt and straight man Denis haven't faired too well either in the custard pie throwing. Meanwhile, circus manager Ecclestone has been suspiciously quiet by his own standards when you look back, afterall, for once, he hasn't needed to pump up the audience with too many scandalous utterings that get the tent flaps waggling, his performing dogs, band of jugglers and high wire act have more than adequately filled that roll for him. He has been way too busy in the cash office, counting his coins and broadening his big top into such markets as '22 men and bag of wind' [sounds strangely like F1 to me]

So, roll up, roll up, for the final show of the season. Ringside seats are tad undesirable, Brazil is known to flood once in a while and the locals are an oportunistic bunch when the circus is in town. So relax and enjoy what could be a fabulous show in front of the TV [James Allens inane witterings aside of course].....fingers crossed!!
 
anyone remember when the advertising hourding fell down off the pitstraight gantry during the race or qualifying, think its nearly hit jean alesi!


lovely circuit but yeh has a tendancy to get a bit soggy!
 
whitewash said:
anyone remember when the advertising hourding fell down off the pitstraight gantry during the race or qualifying, think its nearly hit jean alesi!


lovely circuit but yeh has a tendancy to get a bit soggy!
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didn't quite a few things go wrong that weekend?

Be interesting to see if all team members make it to the circuit without being robbed again :bat:
 
Ratty said:
I'm not suggesting anything at all.
the fact remains that anyone who thinks that there is one single team in this 'sport' that doesn't give priorities at some point is naive beyond my belief.
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There is a difference between giving priorities at some point, such as when a driver is in a position to win the championship and all the time in every season which Ferrari did with MS.
 
This would be good to see if this happened...

Alonso takes off Hamilton on the first conner memories of Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna and Raikonnen Ferrari breaks down !

Hamilton wins !!!
 
nilagin said:
There is a difference between giving priorities at some point, such as when a driver is in a position to win the championship and all the time in every season which Ferrari did with MS.
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Not really there isn't.
Exactly the same principle, just a different scale.
 
im fairly sure that at ferrari it was completely understood that MS would have the breaks compard to his teammate, even to the point it was probably written into his contract that he was the undisputed number 1 driver, that is and always has been the way of the scuderia, the only thing the "NO TEAM ORDERS" ruling did was mean that teams had to be less blatent in the undertaking!
 
tbh with F1 i dont really care who wins it, id like to see hamilton win it and id like to see kimi win (ive never liked kimi until this year (i always wanted montoya to win at mclaren)).

what i do care about is rallying and its looking like its gonna be a really really good show down this year! viva la finland! down with the wee frog!
 
whitewash said:
tbh with F1 I don't really care who wins it, I wouldn't mind seeing Hamilton win it and I'd like to see Kimi win
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:thumbs:


I think I'll save myself some time by just doing slight edits on your posts for my own ends :lol::thumbs:
 
spannerdude said:
Are you suggesting that Ferraris "second driver" accepted, actioned and thereby condoned team orders which are expressly forbidden by the FIA rules?
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The FIA rules state "Team orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited"

That's it. Now I'm not a lawyer, but even I could have a field day in court with that one - it means everything and nothing.

All season long McLaren have been defining who stops on what lap, who gets to go out first in Quali 3, who gets what strategy - those are "Team orders which interfere with a race result". They're not in the ballpark of "Move over and let Schumacher win", but they fall foul of the same wording of the rules.

Personally I'm very much against team orders, but it falls into the realm of "don't make rules you can't police". As a team if I put 300 million into a venture, I wan't to win. However the raison d'etre of F1 is to entertain, and having a patsy as number two in a team is not entertaining. The best season have come when the top guys fight each other - Prost/Senna in 1988 and 1989, Lauda/Prost in 1984, and who could forget Mansell hunting down team-mate Piquet at a second a lap around Silverstone. Piquet was livid, and wanted team orders, which would have denied one of F1's great days to an enthralled crowd.

Better off without them, but we need to live with the fact that every team wants to dominate every race, and entertainment be damned - and it's an impossible thing to police in black and white terms.
 
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