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I've just been asked by someone from one of the local schools if I would go in on a saturday and take family portraits. Whereas Tempest and most of the school photographers only take pics of the kids.

The school has seen the idea in a Parents Teachers Association newsletter, but I'm not sure about how to do it. Think the idea is that the school gets a percentage of the taking from the day.

Anyone done one of these, or got ideas for it?

Not said yes yet - so be brutally honest.

Thanks

Allan
 
Say No quick and save yourself the hassle

A 'family' could be 5 or 6 people easily, you'll need a backdrop 12ft to be sure of getting them all in, and (if going for white) 2 powerful lights to light it evenly; then at least one large softbox to the front too

They should want to know, even have sight of, your insurances & probably CRB and typically take 20% off the top of any fees charged

Then any clients will want a package similar to Tempest for £28 max - worth it if you have thousands going through every week, not worth it if 5-10 families turn up

It's always great to be asked to do these sort of things, but the practicalities can make it a nightmare unless it's your usual type of work

A family sitting hereabouts usually generates £150+ per time & takes about 30 mins which is worth doing. Divide that timescale into your day and you won't shoot many families. Rush them through and you may not sell many sets of pics as they won't be relaxed

It's your call, but I wouldn't do it. :nono: Thank them graciously for the invite though, perhaps even offering to have them promote your services for individual home/studio shots and they still take a cut as a 'Donation' to school funds?
 
You're good at dealing with people though Allan so I'd have a good think about it.
The school is bound to have a large white wall (like in the gym or somewhere) that you could shoot against which may offer a suitable alternative to a proper studio backdrop.

I'd say that if you are bothered about the hard work that you'll have to put in for the amount of money then don't do it. If on the other hand, you feel that you may enjoy the job (& the challenge :p) then go for it. It'd be excellent promotion for you for a start & will give you a chance to establish the fact that you offer more informal portrait sittings too, just something different to the static, standard school shot.

I'd personally go for it but I'm a glutton for punishment & love the challenges of working with kids (miles more difficult than wildlife! :lol:) :thumbs:
 
Misplaced though well-meaning encouragement could aid a mistake

On another thread here KIM's asked about the best way to use 2 lights, suggesting a) he doesn't know there isn't one - only several different ways depending on the effect/subject; and, b) he's only got 2 lights - not nearly enough to blast a non-white wall & floor into submission

KIM - I wish you as well as a very well equipped well-wisher can wish a person well - but I don't think you should do it - go on then, do it, prove me wrong!
 
Getting a large family group with everyone looking good and relaxed isn't easy, and that's what they'll expect. Difficult enough in a proper studio with all the gear, but a potential nightmare trying to do the job ill equipped.

I'm not saying don't do it, but go in with your eyes wide open if you decide to take the job. If you don't do a good job, it could do your reputation a lot of harm at this early stage.
 
Misplaced though well-meaning encouragement could aid a mistake

On another thread here KIM's asked about the best way to use 2 lights, suggesting a) he doesn't know there isn't one - only several different ways depending on the effect/subject; and, b) he's only got 2 lights - not nearly enough to blast a non-white wall & floor into submission

I completely agree (& must have missed that thread :p) An extra light or two along with the usual gubbins would be a must.
I do still cautiously stand by my advice that I gave Allan but at the same time do agree with the opinions & suggestions that have been made so far (aside from the don't even consider it one - jk :lol:) Certainly wouldn't be an easy job but it all comes down to your confidence in your abilities to get the job done to a professional standard. (I will admit that I had presumed that when you said that you weren't sure how to do it, you were talking about the proceeds to the school)

This is just my opinion of course but I believe that you learn & grow as a photographer by taking these occasional risks - the groups shot on the saturday may even make for outside shooting (obviously dependent on weather) or less formal, more fun shots due to it being a non-school day.
Just do as much research as you can Allan & with the help & advice from here, I'm sure you'll make the decision that best suits you :thumbs:

KIM - I wish you as well as a very well equipped well-wisher can wish a person well

:lol: Excellent quote
 
Thanks for the thoughts and quotes.

I'm still not sure, in a way i really fancy the challenge. I have 2 main lights, 2 slave lights and 2 strobes along with a full background system. The other question was more to do with the 2 main lights that i have just purchased.

What i don't have is a studio flash meter and this is worrying me a bit, along with not wanting to let folks down. - but i have that about everything i do.
 
KIM- I have done exactly what you have been asked to do several times now - and in fact have one to do in a local Playschool/Primary School on Saturday.

With all things above already mentioned, I will add that you will not be able to do this on your own. KIM I have to go to make a phone call (in work). This evening I will respond to this and set out what I do on these events. Hope BT Broadband will be up and running again by then. Gilly
 
Thanks for the thoughts and quotes.

I'm still not sure, in a way i really fancy the challenge. I have 2 main lights, 2 slave lights and 2 strobes along with a full background system. The other question was more to do with the 2 main lights that i have just purchased.

What i don't have is a studio flash meter and this is worrying me a bit, along with not wanting to let folks down. - but i have that about everything i do.

Can't u hire one for the day?
www.fixationuk.com based in london rent equipment
 
Thanks for the thoughts and quotes.

I'm still not sure, in a way i really fancy the challenge. I have 2 main lights, 2 slave lights and 2 strobes along with a full background system. The other question was more to do with the 2 main lights that i have just purchased.

What i don't have is a studio flash meter and this is worrying me a bit, along with not wanting to let folks down. - but i have that about everything i do.
Hey KIM... an opinion from a non pro tog... of course you should do it!!!

Go for it, go on... take a risk, step outside your comfort zone and challenge yourself. If you have managed expectations with those with whom you are taking photographs for and of, then you'll be well on the way to being able to handle whatever issues may come your way during the shoot.

If you always do what you did, you'll always get what you got...:):)

Go for it KIM, you'll regret it and always wonder... "if only..." if you don't...!!

PS: great offer of advice from Gilly here, looking forward to reading that advice when I get home later this evening.
 
KIM & theMM this is what I do:-
Write and thank the organisers and set out what's expected on the day from both sides. Go to the venue a week before and check out the rooms available to you - find out where the plug sockets are etc.

I ask for the venue to be open from 08:30 on the day of the event and request that bookings are taken in advance from 10:00 through to 17:00 at 20 min intervals with allowances for short comfort breaks morning and afternoon and a half hour for lunch. I explain in the letter that images will be shown immediately after the portraits on a laptop with the opportunity to order and pay on the day. I will take plenty of order forms and price lists. I will have prepared sample photographs in mounts of every different size I do and will display them on exhibition panels erected in another room along with sample frames and canvas prints - my largest is a 30x20 canvas effect in a bespoke frame. Put prices up on the framed samples and then people know exactly what you charge. I suggest in the letter that to ensure people turn up on the day to charge a booking fee of £5.00 per family at the time of booking, which is refundable when they turn up and if they don't, then the School gets the money.

I offer to do the shoot free of charge (mad I know) which puts extra pressure on me to do a good job. I offer the school a percentage of my 'print' sales and as an example, the last 2 schools I did, I managed to donate almost £300 to each of the school funds - you work out if I had a good day!

I put together at least 2 special offers for paying for photographs on the day only. Usually is something like 1 10x8 & 4 6x4 in Avanta Black slip mounts for £28.00, another set for the same price is 1 10x8, 2 7x5 & 2 3 and a half x 2 and a half. I usually leave the percentage offer I give the school open for a couple of months for families to re-order.

My assistant is brilliant and I pay her well. She sets up in another room with laptop, cash box, order forms, exhibition panels with samples velcro'd as well as my insurance certificate and posters reminding people of the special offers.

Families are told that the photographs will be ready in 21 days.

She sets out chairs for people to wait and browse through children and family poses I have used in the past, this works really well as some people bring the book in with them and say we want it like this or that. She also gets them to fill out the top section of the order form with their details and asks them to hand me the sheet as they come in for their photograph to be taken


The set up I use is a 16' x 20' White background, but take my Black background as well as my Blue clouds to shut out any sun rays that sneak in the windows as the sun goes around the classroom during the day.

I have 2 lights on my background and 2 softboxes and a slave to use in front depending on how many are in the family. I have had 2 sets of grandparents with parents and 2 children quite often and even my backdrop is not wide enough, so I PP the light stands out :lol:

I use the alphabet to mark up my CF Cards which I have formatted ready and once one family is 'shot' the card comes out of the camera and the letter is marked on their sheet and they hand it to my assistant who loads it into Zoombrowser. For me, it is the quickest software to load RAW images into and create a slideshow for them to view.

Remember Alan, if you decide to do it, create a checklist of everything you need days in advance and keep adding to it, then on the day, tick them off.

If you want copies of any of my correspondence or check sheets, then I will PM you.

OMG! I have just read that back and it rambles on a bit - sorry. I hope it helps. Gilly Good luck if you decide to do it.:thumbs:
 
............Check out my website galleries as the families and children were from such events.
 
Gilly
that's a very comprehensive checklist :clap:
 
Gilly - Rambling - NEVER!! - THANK YOU SO MUCH for sharing this !!

Fantastic read.

I would certainly be interested in any checksheets etc. My email is photos at kelticrose dot co dot uk

The lights on your background - are they slave lights as in a set light that can't be turned up or down or a main light type? and do they have any softboxes or anything on them?


PS - Have checked your website many times, and WOW!! is all I can say :)
 
Geez thanks Alan. I will send you e-mail now.
 
KIM & TheMM - D'yer get your e-mails then?
 
Gilly thanks for such great information. Would it be possible to send me the info too. bridget dot withers at ntlworld dot com.
 
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