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Chris Perry

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Hi Talk Friends,
This in my problem, my brother-in-law rang me and asked if I would do an informal shoot at his nan’s 90th birthday party, i said sure.
I quoted his mother £100 for 5 hours at the venue, plus a DVD slide show with her choice of music and also 5 up to A4 prints. Which I thought was a good deal but as it was sort of family I gave her a CD of printable Hi res images of all the best ones in stead of the prints. Obviously you all know that there’s more to it then just turning up and snapping away, but it does amaze me how some people don’t realise this !!
Anyway to get to the point, my Brother-in-laws mother has asked me for all the rejects that were taken, now you have to realise that at this “Party” there were 5 tables of about 9, the atmosphere in the room was far from electric, and to top it off, every time I tried to take pictures of anyone they would put there hands up in front of there faces or get up and walk off. It was very hard to get pictures, but I managed to put together a slide show of 100 images. But as I say she now wants the rejected pictures, I don’t really want to give her them because like a lot of you would agree, when you take pictures you only want the best stuff out there. But dose she have a right to them as she paid me for them??

If you would let me know what you think,
Cheers, Chris.
 
tell her to sod off.
or to put it politely "sorry i have already deleted the photos i think arent up to using".
gets you out of a hole politely.
she's already had a bargian.
future reference.
relatives will take the pizzle if you let them.
 
As mentioned, there is a great line that you need to learn to use "Sorry, I delete all of those that I don't feel up to quality, and they are unrecoverable!"
 
I hear what you’re saying guy's, but unfortunately she knows I have them and that i didn't delete them. But dose she have a right to them like a consumer right? and yeah doing family work is never a good idea!!
 
I quoted his mother £100 for 5 hours at the venue, plus a DVD slide show with her choice of music and also 5 up to A4 prints.
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dose she have a right to them like a consumer right?
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Well - 2 choices really...

Option 1 - Hard Nosed Business Approach.
If she's had what you quoted for, and paid what you asked, that's the end of it. If she wants anything else say "Fine - I'll send you a quote for the remainder - my usual rates okay?" No pay = no pictures.

Downside - will probably cause a 20 year family feud.
Upside - you will either get some brass out of it, or won't have to do the extra work. Fewer xmas cards to send next year, less chance of family "dropping in"
Option 2 - Hey, its (nearly) family...

Burn all the old crap onto a dvd and let them have it at cost of materials.

Downside - they'll show all the crap photos to everyone, and ruin your future photography business. Other people will get wind of it and think you're a soft touch. They'll come back and try and take the **** again.
Upside - struggling to find one.
 
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Yeah...just say no.
How does she know you have them still anyway - does she look over your shoulder while you edit.

Maybe a compromise - hand over some of the not-so-terrible ones completely unedited to keep her happy.

No photographer ever hands out everything they shoot. As my former bosses are discovering as we write...lol
 
But dose she have a right to them as she paid me for them??
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Depends what you told her she was paying for. If you told her she could have everything you snapped, then yes. If you didn't then palm her off with a token disc of the best of your rejects.
Unless she sat and watched you upload the days work, how is she going to know what you shot? O

Also, and tell me if l'm wrong here, but didn't she simply pay for copies, and actually the images remain your property?
They are yours, and you decide what is suitable to give to the client, not the client.
 
Politely decline explaining the possible business implications and copyright law

If they cop the hump so be it, don't sound a very cheery mob anyway judging by that party
 
Yeah, I think your right, I’ll going to tell her that she can’t have them, I rejected them for a reason and if there not good enough for me, there not good enough for anyone else. And as I didn’t say specifically that she can have everything I took, there shouldn’t be any come back! Cheers people
 
Just quickly run an action in Photoshop on them all, dropping the exposure 2 or 3 stops and adding a nice blob of Gaussian blur.

Then let her view them stating that there was a reason for you rejecting them all, which she will have to agree with once she sees them.
 
Harvey_nikon said:
damn that virus that wiped your hard drive ;)
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Just quickly run an action in Photoshop on them all, dropping the exposure 2 or 3 stops and adding a nice blob of Gaussian blur.
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good ideas guys, :D

it does do my head in though, that whatever you do for family it will never be enough, they're always the first to shoot down other people when you want to have a moan. my sister asked me the other day if i had a clean picture of my nephew, all the one's that are on facebook had watermarks on them. not to worry that i had gone to her house with a studio, spent time getting the right shots, all the post processing...all for free! all she had to do is pay for the prints...ah Family, you gotta love em! ;)
 
Arkady2 said:
Yeah...just say no.


No photographer ever hands out everything they shoot. As my former bosses are discovering as we write...lol
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:lol::lol::lol: I , amognst others, await!
 
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