Ever had a terrorist in your house?

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I have.

This guy, http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/103614/Air-plot-man-pleads-guilty.html

He was best friends with my Brother. The picture on that article hung in my parents house, my brother stood next to him.
He spent time playing with me and we often shared a car together.

Back then, he was a quiet, shy and extremely polite young man..

How on earth do you go so far in such a short amount of time?
 
Yeh ive got one here right now, name Ben (big bad ben) a German Shepherd.
 
10/10 for the oddest question on TP this week....

Amazing probably how little we know about others.....
 
Just saw this guy on the news, he's been released now hasn't he? Turned 'supergrass' and gave evidence against the shoe bomber.
Young minds are easily influenced, I voted Tory once......
 
politics and religion in one thread? no..dont think thats going to work..
 
Lynton said:
10/10 for the oddest question on TP this week....

Amazing probably how little we know about others.....
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Sure is a unique question.

If you don't mind me asking, Tom, did it result in the police questioning you about what you knew of his activities.
I'd expect the police to cast a wide net when enquiring into terr. activities.
 
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Badat, from Gloucester, could have been looking at more than 50 years inside had he gone through with the plane bombing.
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Somehow, I don't really think so. :thinking:
 
arclight said:
Sure is a unique question.

If you don't mind me asking, Tom, did it result in the police questioning you about what you knew of his activities.
I'd expect the police to cast a wide net when enquiring into terr. activities.
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No , never heard anything and never had any contact with the police. I guess it depends when they think he went down the wrong path. Our involvement with may have been to early for them to worry about.
 
joescrivens said:
Why did your parents have a picture of him in their house just because he was a friend of your brothers?
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It's a school group photo. There are about 20 other kids in it also. Just my brother happened to be stood next to him as they were roughly the same height.
 
KIPAX said:
just been reading about this in the lancashire telegraph.. much better picture but says he is from blackburn http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/9652378.Blackburn_terrorist_does_deal_with_US_prosecutors_for_sentence_cut/
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Originally he is from Gloucester. I guess he moved to Blackburn in later life. Once they left school, we didn't really have much contact, just the occasional street meeting. If you look in the photo on my link, you can just see the top of the tie in Crypt school colours.
 
Somewhat worrying.
He is back walking the streets of my City as if nothing ever happened.

http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co...spotted-city/story-15837995-detail/story.html

Some of the comments there are quite right. He got pulled into this in the first place, whats to say he wont again.
And another very valid point. If you were in a terrorist organisation and one of your fellow comrades decided to dish the dirt on you and brazenly walk around his home city, dont you think they might want to do something about his apparent traitorship.

Either he is very niaeve and thinks they wont come after him, or a cinic might think this has all been pre planned before his capture and what he has told or is telling the authorities is a bunch of crap, to get him out of the clink.

So now I have a convicted terrorist walking around my streets (literally streets away) and the possibilty of a international terror organisation wanting some revenge.. Great.
 
TCR4x4 said:
Some of the comments there are quite right. He got pulled into this in the first place, whats to say he wont again.
And another very valid point. If you were in a terrorist organisation and one of your fellow comrades decided to dish the dirt on you and brazenly walk around his home city, dont you think they might want to do something about his apparent traitorship.
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one kind of debars the other - he won't get pulled in again because the first time he goes near an islamic fundamentalist they'll probably head job him for betraying the cause
 
onona said:
One word: religion. If you can believe that rubbish, you can believe anything, including the idea that blowing people up and martyring yourself for some deity is a worthy cause.
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Very true. Religion is evil, outdated and a waste of time. Whats the point in believing someone elses vision? And then devoting loads of time in showing other people your 'belief' by going to church, preach etc? So utterly pointless.

However, I do believe that we are being misled on 'extremism' in the UK. I mean what's really ever happened? It's not like there are car bombs going off every week. One bunch cause third degree burns to themselves by driving into an airport doorway and gets decked by an angry scot. Not exactly like NI in the 70's. And before people pipe on about 7/7, seriously, look into it. There was something very sinister going on; identical 'operation' being conducted, the 'bombers' buying return train tickets and paying for parking, photoshopped images, the shooting in canary wharf on the day and THE most suspect action of the day; Tony Blair within hours pointing the finger at islam. Scripted.
 
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My letting agent has been in the flat... That's close enough for me
 
doublem1 said:
Religion is evil, outdated and a waste of time. Whats the point in believing someone elses vision? And then devoting loads of time in showing other people your 'belief' by going to church, preach etc? So utterly pointless.
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Religion is not evil, people do evil things and then use religion to justify the evil things they do. Read Jesus' Sermon on the Mount and tell me how that is evil.
 
Faith is good for people if you believe in that kind of thing.

Religion however is the direct cause of some of the bloodiest times of man and will continue to do so until we wipe ourselves out.

Anyway, best stop with the religion thing or the thread will get shutdown :D
 
Don't worry it's ok to trash faith, just not stand up for it.
 
doublem1 said:
However, I do believe that we are being misled on 'extremism' in the UK. I mean what's really ever happened? It's not like there are car bombs going off every week. One bunch cause third degree burns to themselves by driving into an airport doorway and gets decked by an angry scot. Not exactly like NI in the 70's. And before people pipe on about 7/7, seriously, look into it. There was something very sinister going on; identical 'operation' being conducted, the 'bombers' buying return train tickets and paying for parking, photoshopped images, the shooting in canary wharf on the day and THE most suspect action of the day; Tony Blair within hours pointing the finger at islam. Scripted.
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Next you'll be trying to tell me 9/11 was the work of the CIA, area 51 does not exist and man never walked on the moon.... Just how has "have you ever had a terrorist in your house" got to conspiracy theories of 7/7???? :cuckoo::cuckoo:


Also, per se.. Religion itself is not evil, unless you are a Satanist maybe.... It's , in my opinion, those who are unable to distinguish "real life" from some religious ideal that are the ones who are unbalanced. This applies across all religions!

I have a couple of Muslim friends and they most certainly do not believe in 72 virgins etc.. and are actually ashamed that some see Islam as a way of justifying the actions of the minority of the faith.

One even jokes that "He'll be pretty disappointed to meet Susan Boyle and 71 world or warcraft players."

@Mods - Appreciate this sails close to the wind..... :shrug:
 
Lynton said:
Next you'll be trying to tell me 9/11 was the work of the CIA, area 51 does not exist and man never walked on the moon.... Just how has "have you ever had a terrorist in your house" got to conspiracy theories of 7/7???? :cuckoo::cuckoo:


Also, per se.. Religion itself is not evil, unless you are a Satanist maybe.... It's , in my opinion, those who are unable to distinguish "real life" from some religious ideal that are the ones who are unbalanced. This applies across all religions!

I have a couple of Muslim friends and they most certainly do not believe in 72 virgins etc.. and are actually ashamed that some see Islam as a way of justifying the actions of the minority of the faith.

One even jokes that "He'll be pretty disappointed to meet Susan Boyle and 71 world or warcraft players."

@Mods - Appreciate this sails close to the wind..... :shrug:
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Sorry it was a little off course, I suppose calling religion evil was very wrong, but it can be. And yes, 9/11 was/to some extent the work of the US government. Tell me, how many skyscrapers came down that day? Just too many people have been brainwashed into thinking otherwise (much like religion). Also, tell me what evidence did they ever have that it was the work of Bin laden? Non, thats why his FBI most wanted info never has and never did mention 9/11, they had no proof.

Also, yes, groom lake does exit... Where did that come from?
 
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The conspiracy theories about 9/11 have all been soundly proven wrong. There's a reason why credible scientists and engineers scoff at the ludicrous scenarios dreamed up by conspiracy theorists to "explain" how the WTC came down via explosives and whatnot, and it's not because they've been paid off by the government or there's been a cover up - it's because the theories are fundamentally absurd.

It absolutely blows my mind that educated adults believe YouTube videos made by clueless idiots instead of actually bothering to read history books and study the evidence to understand what led up to 9/11 and how the events played out. Honestly, while I love the ease of access to information that the web has given us, it's a tragedy of epic proportions that along with useful information, it's also meant that entire generations are polluting their clearly far-too-easily impressionable minds with puerile garbage masquerading as documentaries. Zeitgeist, Loose Change, and the rest of that ludicrous crap, I'm talking about you. If people actually bothered to fact-check the claims made by these films (one can't refer to them as documentaries, because they're not), they'd quickly realise how stupid and riddled with misguided inaccuracies (at best) to outright lies (at worst) they are. But it's sadly much easier to just watch a dumb video on the internet and then assume you're all clued up, instead of actually lifting a finger to educate yourself with research from credible sources, backed up by evidence along with scientific and historical fact. I'm all in favour of skepticism, but there's a vast chasm of difference between skepticism and outright stupidity.

Religious fundamentalism is very real, and very dangerous, and I'm not just talking about the Islamic type either.

Next you're going to be claiming that man has never stepped on the moon.
 
onona said:
The conspiracy theories about 9/11 have all been soundly proven wrong. There's a reason why credible scientists and engineers scoff at the ludicrous scenarios dreamed up by conspiracy theorists to "explain" how the WTC came down via explosives and whatnot, and it's not because they've been paid off by the government or there's been a cover up - it's because the theories are fundamentally absurd.

It absolutely blows my mind that educated adults believe YouTube videos made by clueless idiots instead of actually bothering to read history books and study the evidence to understand what led up to 9/11 and how the events played out. Honestly, while I love the ease of access to information that the web has given us, it's a tragedy of epic proportions that along with useful information, it's also meant that entire generations are polluting their clearly far-too-easily impressionable minds with puerile garbage masquerading as documentaries. Zeitgeist, Loose Change, and the rest of that ludicrous crap, I'm talking about you. If people actually bothered to fact-check the claims made by these films (one can't refer to them as documentaries, because they're not), they'd quickly realise how stupid and riddled with misguided inaccuracies (at best) to outright lies (at worst) they are. But it's sadly much easier to just watch a dumb video on the internet and then assume you're all clued up, instead of actually lifting a finger to educate yourself with research from credible sources, backed up by evidence along with scientific and historical fact. I'm all in favour of skepticism, but there's a vast chasm of difference between skepticism and outright stupidity.

Religious fundamentalism is very real, and very dangerous, and I'm not just talking about the Islamic type either.

Next you're going to be claiming that man has never stepped on the moon.
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Hang on a sec...

On another thread you laid in to several of us for continually quoting facts and said that a person could make their own mind up using judgement and instinct.

So which is it?
 
Where did I say that? If you're talking about the horse racing thread, you're comparing something totally different, as being against horse racing stems from a personal code of ethics based on personal views of the commodification of animals, which is COMPLETELY different to saying that the World Trade Center was an inside job or that Tony Blair was responsible for 7/7. In fact, I can't even begin to fathom how you think it's even a rational, let alone relevant comparison.

Furthermore, never did I say the horse racing view was one of "judgment" or "instinct". Either you're mistaking me for someone else, or you're not talking about the horse racing thread (although it's the only one I recall posting in where you were posting too), or you have completely misunderstood what I said. I said that a person's views on whether or not the Grand National should be boycotted is a personal one. Because it is. I never "laid into anyone for quoting facts", I laid into people for acting like a bunch of bullies in a schoolyard.
 
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