England 4-0 Bulgaria - still want capello out?

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Solid performance - not at all times throughout the game but overall you can't argue with the creativity of the 4 goals.

So those people gunning for capello - still want him gone? I know one game isn't really margin for measuring this decision but in my opinion capello's selection won this game.

Most people were surprised to see defoe starting - the day before I read people slaggin him off for choosing him- he scores a hat trick.

Brings on adam johnson and he scores.

He's still the man for the job in my opinion and I think tonights performance further cements that the world cup disappointment blame should stay firmly with the players.
 
Yes, I want Capello gone. Why have a team full of British nationals, those who play for the pride of their country, and then sign a foreign manager who comes for the money, not the pride. Managers should follow the same rules for the job as players do really.
 
He prob told them to play like pro's or lose the over the top wage packet that they get....
 
If results keep going then that's all that matters and there would be no need to change.

I'm pretty sceptical about the role of the England Manager anyway. Players are developed into the players they are and the characters they are by their respective club managers and coaching staff.

Of course Capello has a squad to pick but lets be honest - go and ask 100 football fans to pick an England team and half of them would pick the same 11.

If results continue to go our way then there's no reason to change during qualification however as we saw in the Summer - taking a group of players to a World Cup or A European Championships requires a whole different set of people skills in my book.

As for the game - really enjoyed it. We were safe once the second goal went in but they were certainly knocking on the door at 1:0.

We played them off the park counter attacking with 2:0 under our belts but 1:1 might would have seen them dig in away from home and require a little more savvy to overcome.

Rooney (despite not scoring) put in a great selfless hard working performance (I'm not biased honestly). Defoe took his goals well and dare I say it - we may have a keeper !
 
Pieface said:
Yes, I want Capello gone. Why have a team full of British nationals, those who play for the pride of their country, and then sign a foreign manager who comes for the money, not the pride. Managers should follow the same rules for the job as players do really.
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British nationals? Pretty sure welsh and scots can't get in. Lol

Whilst I'd love the entire team to be english including the manager, coach, medical team etc I also understand that we have a top quality manager here and a need to win some trophies. I'd rather have a great foreign manager than an average English one.
 
Pieface said:
Yes, I want Capello gone. Why have a team full of British nationals, those who play for the pride of their country, and then sign a foreign manager who comes for the money, not the pride. Managers should follow the same rules for the job as players do really.
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Do you actually believe all of those players playing last night play 'for the pride of their country'?!
 
Simmotino said:
Do you actually believe all of those players playing last night play 'for the pride of their country'?!
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I believe all those players felt shame off themselves for the country at the World Cup. Apart from Capello after what happened.
 
4-0 against a team like bulgaria is nothing to get excited about. yes they got to the semi final of the 1994 world cup but they didnt even qualify for this years one, they are currently ranked 43rd in the world rankings. when England start beating quality teams like Spain, Germany, or even mid range teams like Portugal and Paraguay then i will start to have faith in Cappello.
Im not bashing England, Im Welsh but i like to see England win in football as much as any Englishman does, but i just dont think cappello is up to the job as an international team manager. He was a great club level coach but he hasnt impressed me one bit as Englands coach.
 
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4-0 against a team like bulgaria is nothing to get excited about. yes they got to the semi final of the 1994 world cup but they didnt even qualify for this years one, they are currently ranked 43rd in the world rankings. when England start beating quality teams like Spain, Germany, or even mid range teams like Portugal and Paraguay then i will start to have faith in Cappello.
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Couldn't agree more. For me, Capello and the players still have some way to go to make amends for the shambles of this years world cup.
 
Here we go again remember how well we qualified for the World Cup and then what happened,We are a half decent team a long way at the moment from being World or even Europe beaters with a manager who has only made changes when they are forced on him,if they weren't injured I bet Ferdinand,Lampard and Terry would have played last night.

And as for getting rid of Capello I would have wanted him to go even if we had won the World Cup because I am a boring old fashioned fart who believes that England teams should be managed by Englishmen
 
Trig's said:
He prob told them to play like pro's or lose the over the top wage packet that they get....
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As far as I remember they don't get anything for plying for England. If I remember correctly they give their appearance money to Charity.
 
Pieface said:
I believe all those players felt shame off themselves for the country at the World Cup.
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Hmmm, Cole and King really looked devastated when we went out getting off the plane, didn't they!

As for Capello feeling shame, he picked the same side and played the same way as he did in the qualifiers that saw us practically unbeatable, and suddenly they play like a bunch of pub players after a few beers.

I really would like to know how that's his fault.
 
Capello is not English and i think that matters in a England squad to have an English manager.

so out the door with him and give psycho a chance

Merc
 
Of course, there are countless English managers to choose from. Didn't we do well with Keegan and McLaren.

The problem is not the manager, it is the Premier league and the culture of English players. They're simply not emotionally intelligent enough to cope with the pressure of tourney football. Most footballers are thick as s%&t with very poor social skills. Look at the difference when continental players speak in interview. Okay, they're not all smart, but many more are educated and grounded. Football is a working class escape route here, whereas more middle class educated kids are encouraged to play in Europe.
 
The23rdman said:
The problem is not the manager, it is the Premier league and the culture of English players.
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Half the problem is most of the players in the World Cup didn't want to play for England, they expected to play for England. I think a few of them don't see it as an honour but a right and think of it as an additional justification for their ludicrous salary demands.

Introduce a few who actually want to play for their country (Adam Johnson for one) and you suddenly see a bit of passion and desire. I've always said an XI from the Championship would likely put in a better performance than an all Premier League XI half the time.

The nationality of the manager is irrelevant to a large degree. We are playing on the World stage and there is nothing currently to suggest an English manager knows how to do that well, so why not get someone with a track record of success on said stage?

Sentimentality wins you nowt.
 
Beating the likes of Bulgaria at home 4-0 is hardly amazing... no team has the divine right to qualify, but when you compare our players to any in our group we should walk it.

What makes the top managers great is getting results when it matters. I dont think Chelsea won a pre-season game, but as soon as the league starts they become a machine.

Lets not forget, if Terry and Lampard were fit we would see pretty much the same team as in Germany that flopped! Why? Why was Hart only 3rd choice in June, yet the undisputed No.1 in Sept. Capello did not have confidence in James or Green 6 mths ago, so why not give Hart a run of 3,4 or 5 warm up games, rather than play him for a half here and there. Had he been in goal things could have been different.

Ok, Rooney had a better game, but he is one of those players you know will only be dropped if he is injured. Spain were not afraid to drop Torres in WC but can you see Capello dropping Rooney? As soon as Lampard is fit he will play with Gerrard despite the fact they cannot play well together. Barry is not up to it at this level and why Upson???

Any league manager should be able to get us to qualify from this group, its when it comes to the Finals where a manager earns his money... and anyone who picks SWP for the squad is NOT a good manager!!!
 
Of course, there are countless English managers to choose from. Didn't we do well with Keegan and McLaren
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Aside from Middlesboro fans, no-one wanted McLaren. Roy Hodgson is a very good manager with the right experience. I would also be happy with big Sam, as he has certainly overachieved at Bolton, doing fine at Blackburn and when Newcastle sacked him they went from mid-table to relegation. Sam would never tolerate the shambles in Sth Africa.

The FA are a bunch of idiots. Our 2 best (and most promising) managers were Venables and Hoddle, both shown the door with non-footballing reasons. We then pay a manager with no international experience some 2 or 3 times as much as any other country pay their manager and take out an option to remove on the eve of a tournament.

Most footballers are thick as s%&t with very poor social skills.
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We did very well Euro 96 and very unlucky in 98 with 'thick as ****** players"...
 
Trig's said:
He prob told them to play like pro's or lose the over the top wage packet that they get....
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Actually all england players donate their international salary to charity and have done so since 2007.
 
cambsno said:
I would also be happy with big Sam,
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i've now stopped listening to a single thing you say. that has to be the most ridiculous statement i have ever heard.

the day sam allardyce managers england is the day i emmigrate to spain

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Why? Not saying his my no.1 choice but he is an experienced manager who has done very well given the resources he has had. Sure, his teams may not play the most attractive football, but England have hardly had many great performances of late. He would organise the defence, get some passion and belief into the players and lets face it, would he have done any worse than Fabio?

Unfortunately, some people are so blinkered that they have no constructive reason why they dislike Sam, they just have some prejudice about the way he has worked as his football clubs.
 
cambsno said:
Why? Not saying his my no.1 choice but he is an experienced manager who has done very well given the resources he has had. Sure, his teams may not play the most attractive football, but England have hardly had many great performances of late. He would organise the defence, get some passion and belief into the players and lets face it, would he have done any worse than Fabio?

Unfortunately, some people are so blinkered that they have no constructive reason why they dislike Sam, they just have some prejudice about the way he has worked as his football clubs.
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he is by far the most averagen manager there is and he always will be, theres a reason he only gets the jobs managing the middle of the road teams, he's middle of the road himself
 
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cambsno said:
Surely Fabio picking SWP beats that!!!
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im not sure i can talk sensible football with you, you think sam allardyce is a better manager than capello and you tthink swp is a terrible player, next you'll be telling me that edgar davids was hollands best player :lol:
 
joescrivens said:
British nationals? Pretty sure welsh and scots can't get in. Lol

Whilst I'd love the entire team to be English including the manager, coach, medical team etc I also understand that we have a top quality manager here and a need to win some trophies. I'd rather have a great foreign manager than an average English one.
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how can you say he's a top quality Manager ,a great manager produces great results .He was abysmal at the world-cup,he can't communicate properly with the players ,if he can't communicate he'll never get the best out of the players ,as his record shows ,that's exactly whats happened :shrug:
 
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Unfortunately, some people are so blinkered that they have no constructive reason why they dislike Sam.
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I don't dislike Sam, but I'd run a mile if he came anywhere near my national team.

His footballing style is turgid bordering on boxing, he has no real experience of international football (even at club level), and has all the tact and diplomacy of a rottweiler(sp?) with piles!

The closest he's come to the FA is what he's won. Sweet.
 
mxfun said:
how can you say he's a top quality Manager ,a great manager produces great results .He was abysmal at the world-cup,he can't communicate properly with the players ,if he can't communicate he'll never get the best out of the players ,as his record shows ,that's exactly whats happened :shrug:
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Well for a start the player all back him, every one of them. Not one has come out and said he can't communicate with them.

Secondly it wasn't him that was abysmal it was the players which was clearly proved when they performed the other night. Bulgaria were no better than Algeria or Slovenia, same manager, same tactics, mostly the same team, same formation. The difference? The players pulled their fingers out.

The blame for the world cup lies largely with the players.
 
Crikey, a 4-0 win against a team ranked 43 in the world and out come the happy clappers :bonk:
 
good result against very average opposition and some reasonable individual performances

as a fan I was quite happy last night

and we certainly didn't miss them pair of Chelsea planks !!!
 
The whole squad, manager included, embarrased themselves and their country in the world cup. Yet the same manager is allowed to continue picking the same players, given a second chance, going forward. Honestly, at the moment, can anyone see England being able to challenge for major honours under the current system? Can anyone see England, under Capello, being able to turnover Germany, Spain etc at a major tournament? I think not, and for me, that means change is required, starting with the manager.
 
wisemen said:
The whole squad, manager included, embarrased themselves and their country in the world cup. Yet the same manager is allowed to continue picking the same players, given a second chance, going forward. Honestly, at the moment, can anyone see England being able to challenge for major honours under the current system? Can anyone see England, under Capello, being able to turnover Germany, Spain etc at a major tournament? I think not, and for me, that means change is required, starting with the manager.
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if we arent good enough to compete then we arent good enough full stop, changing the manager isnt going to change anything.

people are too used to club football where a manager can have a bigger impact, sell players buy different ones. in the national side the pool of players is much more limited.

no manager would be doing any better a job than the current one and many would do worse.
 
wibbly said:
Is that the Chelsea Plank who's scored 20 goals in 83 caps, hardly a plank!! :suspect:
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The same plank who hasn't scored since last September for England and hasn't scored in a tournament, ie when it really counts, for England since 2004. Apart from the obvious dis allowed goal.
 
wisemen said:
The same plank who hasn't scored since last September for England and hasn't scored in a tournament, ie when it really counts, for England since 2004. Apart from the obvious dis allowed goal.
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to be fair there are a lot of players with a weaker stat than that in the team
 
joescrivens said:
if we arent good enough to compete then we arent good enough full stop, changing the manager isnt going to change anything.

people are too used to club football where a manager can have a bigger impact, sell players buy different ones. in the national side the pool of players is much more limited.

no manager would be doing any better a job than the current one and many would do worse.
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So you believe we should carry on along a road of mediocrity? Ho hum, this is as good as it gets, so lets not change anything.
I just feel he had his chance and blew it. Step aside and give someone else a go. Preferably someone English, who would put his heart and sole into it, not just do it for 6 million quid a year.
 
joescrivens said:
to be fair there are a lot of players with a weaker stat than that in the team
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Exactly my point, time for a full scale change, manager downwards. If a player isn't performing, get rid, move over.
 
wisemen said:
The same plank who hasn't scored since last September for England
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No I'm not talking about Rooney, he plays for Man U and his stats are worse than that :lol:
 
wisemen said:
So you believe we should carry on along a road of mediocrity? Ho hum, this is as good as it gets, so lets not change anything.
I just feel he had his chance and blew it. Step aside and give someone else a go. Preferably someone English, who would put his heart and sole into it, not just do it for 6 million quid a year.
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no i believe that some teams etc just arent cut out for winning competitions, maybe the talent in this country is not enough to get us past quarter finals ... maybe at this time we should just accept that. henman just wasnt good enough ... maybe our football talent is the same.
 
joescrivens said:
no i believe that some teams etc just arent cut out for winning competitions, maybe the talent in this country is not enough to get us past quarter finals ... maybe at this time we should just accept that. henman just wasnt good enough ... maybe our football talent is the same.
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Competely agree, so where is the harm in giving others a go.
 
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