DPP / LR - Image quality and sharpening / 1D MKIV

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Guys,

Help me out...

A few things here which add up to me needing your experiences....

1. I have a new 1D MKIV and have been using a neutral setting with I believe gives no in camera sharpening? ( shooting raw! ) ( I think I'm right in saying raw means it's untouched anyway! )
2. I have had to calibrate all my lenses with the AF micro adjustment.

The Issue: I basically get poor results through LR ( my prefered workflow ) but great results through DPP.

Poor / great comments relate to Sharpness/sharpening.

In LR, I basically cannot get anywhere near the sharpness required. I'm wondering if I have always used in camera sharpening hence have not seen an issue in the past!? ( Just to clarify, I'm not over sharpening, it's just that some images just seem too soft! )

In DPP, I obviously have the chance to sharpen. Even a minor adjustment makes a massive difference! for the good! ( Supporting my thoughts I may have used in camera sharpening previously )

Would be interested in your comments.

I would prefer to use my normal LR workflow if possible!

Thanks

Martin
 
Martin

Are you running Lightroom 2.6 as thats when full support was added in lightroom for the 1D4 ?. I presume you are.

Lightroom doesnt allow the amount of sharpening that is possible in Photoshop or DPP.
 
Hi Martin,

If you are shooting in RAW then the camera settings won't affect the RAW image. The in camera sharpening will only be affective on a jpeg.

I don't use lightroom, but I have to say the sharpening in DPP is excellent, better than any other software I've used. I always use it for sharpening no matter what program i've done the other processing in.
 
for my 1ds3 i do a 1st sharpen in lightroom to remove the effects of the AA filter, as on the 1ds3 its quite strong (stronger than any other canon one, so the canon tech told me) then it gets a final sharpen when its printed or output for the client.

A lot of experimenting was needed to establish a work flow for the 1ds3 i was happy with.

maybe the 1d4 is somewhat like that.
 
What Profile are you using in the develop module in Lightroom?
 
Martin

When Canon launched the Mklll of both the 1D and the 1Ds they did make i known that the AA filter was "Fairly Aggressive" . When I got my IDslll I found it less sharp than my 5D at my standard settings. You really have to wind the sharpening up to overcome the AA effect.

In LR try sharpening between 50-70 and the same with detail. It will depend on the subject but you'll probably find that you settings may be around these . Ease them back until the IQ just starts to drop off. I don't like over sharpened images as they can look too "Digital" but you do need to see detail.
 
Are you using Lightroom's output sharpening feature when you resize/export your files? If you are downsizing files it is important to perform some final sharpening after the downsizing has taken place.

I don't have a 1D4 but I do have six other EOS cameras (30D, 40D, 50D, 7D, 5D2, 1D3) and I usually limit myself to sharpening of 50 (or less), rarely more, within Lightroom itself, and then output sharpening of "standard for screen" (I don't print) usually finishes things off. I also apply some masking to the sharpening so that the sharpening is applied mostly only to edges and strong textures, not smooth or OOF areas, where all it will do is emphasise noise.

If you are printing then there is a more aggressive output sharpening option, designed to compensate for ink spread on paper.
 
The AA filter ( Anti Aliasing ) is a glass filter that sits in front of the sensor. It helps reduce moire pattern. If it wasn't there you'd get some unusual effects. The effect is to appear to soften the image. The sharpening is recovered by using software. By default Lightroom applies a relativity small amount of sharpening. DPP must apply more.

When you find a level of sharpening and detail that suites you , save as a preset. You can apply this on import if you like.

If you've not applied any profile to the image then you are using the Adobe Standard. You'll find a choice in the Develop module down at the bottom in the camera Calibration tab. You'll see some options if you click on the arrows next to Adobe Standard, these are the same as Picture Styles that Canon use. Again if you want it can be set as a pre-set that can be used at import
 
For the profiles there are about 6 or 7 in a drop down menu you can try, just see which one looks best on screen. What values are you using for the input sharpen (the one in the develop module)?
 
Thanks again guys, will have a check tonight and 'report back'
Again, really appreciate your help.
I like to think I can cope with most things these days but this is one thing that I have not come across before.
See you can teach an old dog.... :)
 
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