D500 v Nikon Z

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Hi all, I've been thinking long and hard about switching to the Nikon Z mirrorless system, and it's making that final decision that's a killer. I do mainly wildlife photography and am leaning towards the Z6ii, however after watching so many YouTube videos on the subject I find myself dithering a bit ....... would would you recommend? Or is the D500 still a better wildife camera overall? Thanks ... Scott
 
D500 is better in my opinion. Unless you get a Z9………

Of course it depends what type of wildlife you shoot.
For BIF Nikon is poor. For larger animals then OK.
Edited to explain I was talking about the Z6. D500 is excellent.

Also, D500 is a 20mp crop sensor and Z6 is a 24mp full frame.
So if you crop to the same size as a D500 image you will get 10mp.

Z7 might be a better option.
 
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Hi all, I've been thinking long and hard about switching to the Nikon Z mirrorless system, and it's making that final decision that's a killer. I do mainly wildlife photography and am leaning towards the Z6ii, however after watching so many YouTube videos on the subject I find myself dithering a bit ....... would would you recommend? Or is the D500 still a better wildife camera overall? Thanks ... Scott
I owned the Z6 and D500 and if you are going to do videos then the Z6/Z6ii is far better than the the D500. But if it's for stills I'd still edge towards the D500 but remember switching to mirrorless you are sort of future proofing yourself. They are both very good cameras, in fact the D500 truly is a mini D5. You won't go wrong with either really.
 
Unless you are going to invest *a lot of money* into the z system (Z9, 800pf, etc) the D500 is better. And even if you do invest heavily in the mirrorless, it won't be hugely better.

I see a lot of people marveling over the Z9's AF acquisition/tracking, but I think they must have been pretty bad at it before. I'm not finding the Z9 AF to be much better than my D5, and in some ways it is much worse.
 
Unless you are going to invest *a lot of money* into the z system (Z9, 800pf, etc) the D500 is better. And even if you do invest heavily in the mirrorless, it won't be hugely better.

I see a lot of people marveling over the Z9's AF acquisition/tracking, but I think they must have been pretty bad at it before. I'm not finding the Z9 AF to be much better than my D5, and in some ways it is much worse.
The Z9 AF requires the user put thought into what settings are required and relying on say 3D tracking does not always work. The tracking isn't always perfect, it can move from one area of a vehicle for instance to another but trial and error sorts that out. And then you find the keeper rate is far higher and that's over my D5, D4S and D850. I think you have to get it out your head the Z9 will just nail the shots no matter what as it does not, nor does the Sony A1 or Canon R3. It's the input put into the shot that matters.
 
The Z9 AF requires the user put thought into what settings are required and relying on say 3D tracking does not always work. The tracking isn't always perfect, it can move from one area of a vehicle for instance to another but trial and error sorts that out. And then you find the keeper rate is far higher and that's over my D5, D4S and D850. I think you have to get it out your head the Z9 will just nail the shots no matter what as it does not, nor does the Sony A1 or Canon R3. It's the input put into the shot that matters.
When it works it's great, when it doesn't it sucks hard. I have to do a lot more juggling of AF mode; and if you're hoping to acquire something small-ish/fast-ish in flight, good luck... it better already be in focus before you push the button (or against an easy BG and wide area large/auto selected).
I'm hoping 2.1 will help some, but I doubt it; some of the issues are just the nature of on-sensor AF... if the subject is OOF in the viewfinder, then the AF can't even see/recognize it in order to focus on it.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not upset by the Z9, I knew these things before I bought it.
 
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When it works it's great, when it doesn't it sucks hard. I have to do a lot more juggling of AF mode; and if you're hoping to acquire something small-ish/fast-ish in flight, good luck... it better already be in focus before you push the button (or against an easy BG and wide area large/auto selected).
I'm hoping 2.1 will help some, but I doubt it; some of the issues are just the nature of on-sensor AF... if the subject is very OOF in the viewfinder, then the AF can't see/recognize it in order to focus on it.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not upset by the Z9, I knew these things before I bought it.

Could you not quickly manually focus approximately then hit the AF button to nail it? ie give the AF a helping hand.
 
Could you not quickly manually focus approximately then hit the AF button to nail it? ie give the AF a helping hand.
I prefocus when I can, but "approximately" has to be pretty close to actually in-focus. And if the camera initially drives the focus the wrong way it's going to miss anyway.
 
I prefocus when I can, but "approximately" has to be pretty close to actually in-focus. And if the camera initially drives the focus the wrong way it's going to miss anyway.

You'd hope it wouldn't but valid point. I've not yet used a Z9 to really comment, but given what I shoot I imagine it would be more than up to the task.
 
When it works it's great, when it doesn't it sucks hard. I have to do a lot more juggling of AF mode; and if you're hoping to acquire something small-ish/fast-ish in flight, good luck... it better already be in focus before you push the button (or against an easy BG and wide area large/auto selected).
I'm hoping 2.1 will help some, but I doubt it; some of the issues are just the nature of on-sensor AF... if the subject is OOF in the viewfinder, then the AF can't even see/recognize it in order to focus on it.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not upset by the Z9, I knew these things before I bought it.
I think wide area AF or auto area AF might be your friend here as on lots of Z9 forums/Facebook pages BIF's are the main images posted and lots of users are very happy with it. I do think it's just a case of finding the right setting. I do remember when it first came out someone saying it couldn't find birds in trees or bushes and yet I've never had an issue. It's nailed on the eye and stuck with it.
 
Hi all, I've been thinking long and hard about switching to the Nikon Z mirrorless system, and it's making that final decision that's a killer. I do mainly wildlife photography and am leaning towards the Z6ii, however after watching so many YouTube videos on the subject I find myself dithering a bit ....... would would you recommend? Or is the D500 still a better wildife camera overall? Thanks ... Scott
I owned both the older Z6 and before that the D750 and D500. I would say the D500 is definitely more suited towards wildlife photography compared to the mirrorless offerings. Particularly with fast moving subjects like BIF the AF is more responsive on the D500 and IMO having an optical viewfinder means there is no lag which makes for easier panning. Also mirrorless does tend to stick to backgrounds if you focus on them inadvertently. They 'needs help' with the focus ring to refocus on subjects in the foreground which can lead to missed opportunities. On the other hand - mirrorless doesn't require lens calibration to get the sharpest shots, has much more focus selection points available on the entire frame, and on the Z6ii has better resolution for cropping, and if you like bokeh, you'll achieve better isolation with the same lens compared to on a cropped sensor body
 
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I think wide area AF or auto area AF might be your friend here
Yes, with a clean (very OOF) BG. Or if you have a lot of time to acquire the subject; once it locks on it's quite good in most modes (3D can be particularly good).

TBF, I've pretty much exclusively used it with my Sigma 60-600 so far and it's not the fastest for focus... I imagine it would do a bit better with a native Z lens like the 100-400, or maybe my 400/2.8G. But I think the only Z lens in my future might be the 200-600.
 
You'd hope it wouldn't but valid point.
From what I can tell, the Z9 always drives the focus out initially (unless there is something immediate). IMO that makes a lot of sense in most situations, but it means I have to err towards being short when prefocusing instead of being closer...

I do think I might need to work on my manual focus skills again...
 
All I will say is over the years I have had D500/D850/Z7/Z7II and sold now only have the Z9 after selling the Z7II and now the D500 as the Z9 for me is up there if not better than D500 focusing, twice the frame rate if so desired and pretty much double the resolution.

Yes some issues people finding but still head and shoulders above everything I have used over the years.

The D500 was a body I always kept going back to, I sold them over the years when buying the D850 / Z7’s but ended up buying another D500 as missed the focus and FPS, D850 was good focus accuracy but not as quick and less FPS, I have not once yet thought about getting another D500
 
Thank you for all your comments, fi=or the timebeing I think I'm sticking with the D500 and saving for the Z9 .... which may be years !!!!
 
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