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On March 5th I posted about an incident involving the Wynnstay Hunt N.Wales, Shropshire/Cheshire borders. This latest incident involves the Cotswold Hunt.

On this occasion the hunters or rather the so-called 'terrier men' ( I assume) put a fox into a plastic bag and buried it alive. Anyone who gets upset seeing the footage in the Chn4 link below of hunt saboteurs rescuing it will probably still be upset but tempered by the fact the fox was saved and taken to a rehabilitation centre which is only 9 miles from my home. I get angry seeing these videos but this one has enraged me. The end of the clip shows hare coursing too with what appears to be the beagles belonging to the Royal Agricultural College (Uni) near Cirencester. The patron is King Charles.


www.channel4.com

Exclusive: Video reveals ‘abhorrent’ practice of burying foxes alive

Trapped in a bag and buried alive.
www.channel4.com www.channel4.com
 
I couldn't bring myself to watch it, but more and more I am appalled by the fallacy that this is supposed to be a nation of animal lovers. There are some, but it seems to me a huge number of people get a kick out of abusing defenceless animals. I would love to do to them what they do to animals.
 
Very sad to see, I don't understand blood sport or cruelty :(
Hunting should be for food not sport.
 
I couldn't watch, far too upsetting.

In a previous life, I have hunted, for pest control and also, it provided a good source of food for my dogs, as they've always been raw fed. We would have the odd roast rabbit dinner as a family too. What I did and the ways I did it can't be compared to burying an animal alive though but I do have some remorse

I've changed, maybe mellowed, I don't know but I couldn't hurt a fly now.

How can people do such horrible things?

Burying an animal alive is just barbaric and sickening!
 
lindsay said:
I couldn't bring myself to watch it, but more and more I am appalled by the fallacy that this is supposed to be a nation of animal lovers. There are some, but it seems to me a huge number of people get a kick out of abusing defenceless animals. I would love to do to them what they do to animals.
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I almost added what I'd like to do to these cretins but decided not to so, thanks for doing it for me, Lindsay.
 
Dale. said:
How can people do such horrible things?

Burying an animal alive is just barbaric and sickening!
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I've tried to get an answer to that question,Dale. Why do they do it ? Maybe it's to set them apart, in a high profile manner, because anyone taking up that activity....it's not a sport,for sure..has to have substantial means. I imagine horses like those used aren't cheap to keep. I don't know who in the Hunt keeps all those hounds. The owner of the land, Nicholas Wills, (it's the Miserden Estate)who allowed the hunt to cross his land has said that if the Hunt is found guilty they will no longer have permission to come onto his estate again. Naïvely,he gave them permission on the understanding they wouldn't do anything illegal. He has a good reputation for the preservation of wildlife . His estate has been described as a "haven for wildlife" and he's previously spoken of a commitment to conservation. His estate is part of of the Higher Level Stewardship Scheme which is a government-scheme which requires farmers to deliver significant environmental benefits. He's previously said that, "Sustainability, conservation, are hugely important to us and underpin everything we do here." He says 'if' the Hunt is found guilty. Who else does he think did that to the fox ? The footage is enough,I wouldn't be waiting for a court verdict.

I really do take my hat off to the hunt saboteurs.
 
JohnC6 said:
Perhaps you'd like to make it clearer what you mean ?
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It is just that this focussed mainly on Fox Hunting but Hare Coursing is even more barbaric, I read. Though I have personally never seen either "sport". It is also seems odd to me references to the UK as a nation of animal lovers but all the cruelty appears to be inflicted by those with animals including those that abandon them.

Dave
 
The 2004 Hunting ban was bought in as a vote winner. It had been promised in a previous manifesto and was bought in just prior to the the 2005 election on the 18th Feb 2005 following Royal Assent n the 18th Novemeber 2004.

It has never been properly policed and has never prevented the vatious hunts from continueing, some proclaiming the are only drag huntng and any deaths are accindental'

Do they control fox numbers, that is doubtful. Many more are shot by landowners who claim they are attacking their livistock, including chckens etc.

I have a friend that does culls them in such instances and other injured annimals such as deer etc.He is appalled by the amount of of foxes he has seen that have been shot and left to suffer a long painful death from their injuries because whoever shot them used a shotgun and not a very good aim.
 
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Gremlin said:
alIt has never been properly policed and has never prevented the vatious hunts from continueing
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This has been the reality of rural policing for a very long time - probably as long as there have been rural police officers.

The people who run the hunts see themselves as above the law and on a day to day basis they are. Part of the problem is that too many magistrates are recruited from that group and cases tried in those areas are not, on the available evidence, dealt with appropriately. It's possible that hunt masters and committee members should be tried alongside the direct perpetrators. For fairness, the cases should be heard at inner city courts, where the magistrates may hold more objective views on the behaviour of the accused parties.
 
Dave Canon said:
It is just that this focussed mainly on Fox Hunting but Hare Coursing is even more barbaric, I read. Though I have personally never seen either "sport". It is also seems odd to me references to the UK as a nation of animal lovers but all the cruelty appears to be inflicted by those with animals including those that abandon them.

Dave
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Yes, I agree,Dave, hare coursing is abhorrent too but the thread was about this incident in the Cotswolds that's why there haven't been any comments about hare coursing. It wasn't a thread covering all blood sports. If you look again at what I wrote when I posted it I mentioned that this CHn4 video also included a hare coursing incident. I wrote.. "The end of the clip shows hare coursing, too"

The video, near the end, shows Chn4 TV out again with the hunt saboteurs the following weekend because they'd received a call about hare coursing taking place just 15 minutes away from the location of the fox incident. You could have made a comment about it, no problem and then I expect there'd have been a response or two from anyone who has knowledge of it going on in their area.

You say that hare coursing is worse than fox hunting. Do you mean for the level of cruelty or the people that indulge in it ? Both involve wild animals being chased by dogs so I don't see any difference re that aspect tbh. If it's the latter, ie those who take part in it I'd agree because, in the main, those taking part in hare coursing are traveller-types and other unsavoury sections of society. They are, themselves, prone to violence and have no quarms about carrying out acts of violence against anyone who attempts to stop them .Fox hunting has such a high profile for obvious reasons that we're all aware of it. Hare coursing was also banned in the anti-hunting Bill 2004/5 but my guess is that the hare coursing/hares mink and deer aspect of it went under the radar for the public at large.

This is an article from January 2022. I've just taken a couple of sentences from it..not everyone clicks on links but the rest of the article is an eye-opener.These people need driving into the ground like tent pegs. Hunts have calendar events but these people just turn up anywhere, any day.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Gangs intimidating farmers into allowing ILLEGAL hare-coursing

EXCLUSIVE: Hare-coursing - in which dogs are unleashed to chase down hares and catch them in their jaws - has been banned in Britain on cruelty grounds since 2005.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Hare-coursing - in which dogs are unleashed to chase down hares and catch them in their jaws - has been banned in Britain on cruelty grounds since 2005.

But it is nevertheless big business as criminal gangs organise coursing events to stream live on the dark web to thousands of punters who bet on the kills - which dog, which hare, how many turns the hare makes before it is killed, and so on. They come armed with iron bars and in some cases shotguns, causing mayhem by churning up land, destroying crops, wrecking farm buildings - in some cases setting fire to them - and stealing farm equipment and machinery.
 
A victory for the anti-hunt people. I'm surprised that Wiltshire Constabulary had someone like her on it's rural crime team because they will get involved in action against hunts and could be compromised.

protectthewild.org.uk

VICTORY! Wiltshire Police's Rural Crime Team will no longer employ fox hunters - Protect the Wild

Hunt saboteurs have claimed a victory after Wiltshire Police announced that it has conducted a review into its Rural Crime Team (RCT). The review comes after public outrage at the appointment of police officer Cheryl Knight into the RCT. Knight has several connections to fox hunting, including...
protectthewild.org.uk protectthewild.org.uk
 
JohnC6 said:
A victory for the anti-hunt people. I'm surprised that Wiltshire Constabulary had someone like her on it's rural crime team because they will get involved in action against hunts and could be compromised.

protectthewild.org.uk

VICTORY! Wiltshire Police's Rural Crime Team will no longer employ fox hunters - Protect the Wild

Hunt saboteurs have claimed a victory after Wiltshire Police announced that it has conducted a review into its Rural Crime Team (RCT). The review comes after public outrage at the appointment of police officer Cheryl Knight into the RCT. Knight has several connections to fox hunting, including...
protectthewild.org.uk protectthewild.org.uk
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Could she be trusted even on a Zebra crossing. Given there is a clear conflict of interest, whoever appointed her should now be reviewed.

Dave
 
JohnC6 said:
Hare-coursing - in which dogs are unleashed to chase down hares and catch them in their jaws - has been banned in Britain on cruelty grounds since 2005.
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As I posted above, but not just hare coursing any hunting with more then 2 dogsand no dogs allowed to go to ground

JohnC6 said:
But it is nevertheless big business as criminal gangs organise coursing events to stream live on the dark web to thousands of punters who bet on the kills - which dog, which hare, how many turns the hare makes before it is killed, and so on.
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Probably the same ones that organise dog fights, which have been illegal for a lot longer
 
Dave Canon said:
Could she be trusted even on a Zebra crossing. Given there is a clear conflict of interest, whoever appointed her should now be reviewed.

Dave
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My thoughts,too re conflict of interests. Maybe the officer appointing her to the unit was unaware of her links.
 
Foxes can be and often are a pest for those that raise livestock. With no natural predators in the UK, their population numbers need to be controlled somehow.

Fox hunting is an activity that purports to be a means of controlling foxes when in fact it has always been a sporting activity for those that have the time, means and inclination to gallop about the countryside like they own the place. Often of course they do. It is an impressive sporting spectacle, but it has had its time.

Fox hunting will never, has never properly control fox populations. What would those that hunt do if they actually achieved that objective? Should be properly banned, the hunts broken up (as they clearly can’t be trusted to dial back their activities) and foxes controlled in a more direct, controlled and humane manner.

Hare coursing is truly disgusting. The Brown Hare is not a pest and is already seriously threatened by loss of habitat. Having gangs of thugs setting greyhounds, whippets and lurchers after them as a gambling activity is totally unacceptable. Again it’s an activity that has had its time, but must now be brought to a close.

Ridding the UK countryside of Mink on the other hand should be a priority and carried out by whatever means gets the job done in the most efficient and humane manner. They were released by idiots from fur farms and simply do not belong here. They have no natural predators and cause huge damage to our native wildlife.

Grouse shooting. Another ‘sport’ that should be banned. Breed up the grouse population, making sure to eliminate any Hen Harriers or indeed any other bird of prey that turns up. Then charge a fortune for a bunch of chinless wonders to come along and shoot hundreds of grouse which are then buried in a big hole in the ground. What a crock!

Anyway, I’ll stop now…
 
I shot a couple of Pheasants last week but with my camera. However, I do eat game occasionally and someone must shoot it but not me.

Dave
 
Dave Canon said:
I shot a couple of Pheasants last week but with my camera. However, I do eat game occasionally and someone must shoot it but not me.

Dave
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I don’t have a problem with people eating what they have shot. I do have a problem with raising and shooting thousands of grouse so that people can enjoy shooting them only for the overwhelming majority of the ‘bag’ to then go in the ground as waste.
 
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