Congratulations Liverpool on winning the PL .....but..

No excuse at all. However, this seems to becoming the norm when lots of people gather in one place.

It is beyond me how people can do it. I'm probably over reacting but I'm starting to feel as someone who always puts my litter in a bin or takes it home I'm in the minority now.

Dave
 
Tringa said:
No excuse at all. However, this seems to becoming the norm when lots of people gather in one place.

It is beyond me how people can do it. I'm probably over reacting but I'm starting to feel as someone who always puts my litter in a bin or takes it home I'm in the minority now.

Dave
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Littering is a grossly antisocial national affliction. Maximum fine is £2500 (probably never been awarded). Litter laws are very rarely enforced and like all laws that are not enforced they soon become ignored. The problem starts in childhood.
 
The problem with large crowds is that it's too easy to get away with it. If they were on their own, the vast majority wouldn't dare.

Of course, there are those w******s who happily goto the next level and lob fast food wrappers out of car windows. i actually saw one do that last year in the middle lane of the motorway at 80mph.
 
No, there's no excuse for it. Yes, it's disgusting. But; this happens across the country, whenever large crowds gather with alcohol. Glastonbury/any large music festival, parks and beaches during the summer. Parliament Square was a mess a couple of weeks ago, after the far-right had gathered there for a fight, far worse happened there. Why choose this one example of how selfish and inconsiderate people can be? As a Liverpool fan, I'm disappointed by seeing all that rubbish, but I don't believe littering is something exclusive to people in that city.
 
AZ6 said:
No, there's no excuse for it. Yes, it's disgusting. But; this happens across the country, whenever large crowds gather with alcohol. Glastonbury/any large music festival, parks and beaches during the summer. Parliament Square was a mess a couple of weeks ago, after the far-right had gathered there for a fight, far worse happened there. Why choose this one example of how selfish and inconsiderate people can be? As a Liverpool fan, I'm disappointed by seeing all that rubbish, but I don't believe littering is something exclusive to people in that city.
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It’s just that the item came up, I don’t label Liverpool the city or the club and it’s fans. It’s not exclusive to football matches, it appalling though that people use the floor as their rubbish bin.
 
mex said:
It’s just that the item came up, I don’t label Liverpool the city or the club and it’s fans. It’s not exclusive to football matches, it appalling though that people use the floor as their rubbish bin.
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Fine, but a quick google for 'rubbish left on beaches' reveals a plethora of articles from the last week alone, just as bad, if not worse, and in a very different context. Not to diminish the appalling mess left on the Liverpool waterfront, but the circumstances are very different. Any large unorganised 'celebration' is bound to cause some issues, but there haven't been mass arrests reported, or reports of violence/trouble, only about the litter. Just seems a bit petty, picking on this and not littering in general.
 
I'm sorry, to say IMO its was just the scum of, Liverpool out for a drink and not Liverpool fans, they seen people drinking in the streets in London/Manchester and decide its time for Liverpool to get in on the act
 
This is a widespread problem. Last year, volunteers collected 115kg of rubbish from Ben Nevis! The older I get the more disappointed I am in the human race. I know the argument is that only a small percentage cause the mess, but with a large population, it’s a lot of people and a hell of a lot of rubbish. It’s a sad indictment that we need volunteers to visit beauty spots every year to collect the detritus we happily dump. Are we teaching the next generation that it doesn’t matter, that they can do what they want, with no consequences?
 
happy haggis said:
Are we teaching the next generation that it doesn’t matter, that they can do what they want, with no consequences?
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Yes ... because it seems that some parents do not teach decency to their children.
 
Tringa said:
No excuse at all. However, this seems to becoming the norm when lots of people gather in one place.

It is beyond me how people can do it. I'm probably over reacting but I'm starting to feel as someone who always puts my litter in a bin or takes it home I'm in the minority now.

Dave
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Not an excuse but councils could stop much of this by having more bins and having them emptied more often. Of course people should walk a bit further from a full bin to an emptier one, or even take it home with them, but in reality that doesn't happen. So we should do something about it but having more bins - it would stop litter, some would still throw it on the floor but it would make a difference.
 
cambsno said:
Not an excuse but councils could stop much of this by having more bins and having them emptied more often. Of course people should walk a bit further from a full bin to an emptier one, or even take it home with them, but in reality that doesn't happen. So we should do something about it but having more bins - it would stop litter, some would still throw it on the floor but it would make a difference.
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But, but, TERRORISM!!!!
 
400,000 people attended the Countryside Alliance march in 2002
I don't remember any violent clashes and we took our litter home as was noted in the
news at the time, very little rubbish for the clean up afterward.
 
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For most applications I would ban plastic bottles and carriers. £1 deposit per glass bottle.
 
Cockney said:
For most applications I would ban plastic bottles and carriers. £1 deposit per glass bottle.
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Glass causes far more of a problem to clean up. Cos it gets smashed, then gets ground in to road surfaces, which exacerbates damage, and causes punctures etc. Plus people tend not to get injured with plastic bottles.


Gremlin said:
400,00 people attended the Countryside Alliance march in 2002
I don't remember any violent clashes and we took our litter home as was noted in the
news at the time, very little rubbish for the clean up afterward.
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Most big demos don't have too much rubbish to clean up, cos people are generally moving and organisers tend to have litter collection facilities.
 
AZ6 said:
Glass causes far more of a problem to clean up. Cos it gets smashed, then gets ground in to road surfaces, which exacerbates damage, and causes punctures etc. Plus people tend not to get injured with plastic bottles.



Most big demos don't have too much rubbish to clean up, cos people are generally moving and organisers tend to have litter collection facilities.
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Plastic bottles are not good things. We used to drink water etc before them , with far fewer issues.
I didn't know a kid that would walk past a bottle with a deposit on it.
 
Crazy scenes outside Anfield last night, as drunken fans celebrated and rioted.
Police made numerous arrests as the Chief Constable said "It's disgusting, I'm not having this every 30years..."
 
reheat module said:
Crazy scenes outside Anfield last night, as drunken fans celebrated and rioted.
Police made numerous arrests as the Chief Constable said "It's disgusting, I'm not having this every 30years..."
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Choked on my cofee reading this, I've pinched it and posted it elsewhere.
 
Cockney said:
Plastic bottles are not good things. We used to drink water etc before them , with far fewer issues.
I didn't know a kid that would walk past a bottle with a deposit on it.
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In Germany you pay a refundable deposit on plastic mineral water bottles, seems to work well there
 
tijuana taxi said:
In Germany you pay a refundable deposit on plastic mineral water bottles, seems to work well there
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As you do on pretty much every container in Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden...

Side effect is that when (typically) teens go and get bladdered in the woods/park and leave the empties - younger kids (and indeed the homeless) will scavenge it all and reclaim the deposit (Pfand/pant) thus clearing up the mess.

It's working 500 miles from here - no reason for it not to work here.
 
It's because of a general lack of discipline. One night I got off the train from work, and a group of lads in front of me dropped a large empty water bottle to the ground. I picked it up and called out to them "I think you dropped this"

"No, I threw it away"

"Really?" was my retort, "If you live around here have some respect for your town, and if you don't, respect how other people feel about their town" And giving the bottle back, I said "There's a bin not 3 metres from where you dropped it, put in that!" and handed it back to them.

Makes my blood boil... They have been brought up in a world where they are so protected, and have never had any discipline. They live in a world where "it's all about me, and the answer to anything is "So what?".....
 
reheat module said:
Crazy scenes outside Anfield last night, as drunken fans celebrated and rioted.
Police made numerous arrests as the Chief Constable said "It's disgusting, I'm not having this every 30years..."
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just wait till the blues win :eek::oops: :$
 
tijuana taxi said:
In Germany you pay a refundable deposit on plastic mineral water bottles, seems to work well there
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Same With Glass I believe. Or you get some money back as when I have been there you see people collecting lots in bags or trolleys to turn into cash. Great idea. Gives the homeless or poor a chance to warm some money while keeping streets cleaner.
 
cambsno said:
Not an excuse but councils could stop much of this by having more bins and having them emptied more often. Of course people should walk a bit further from a full bin to an emptier one, or even take it home with them, but in reality that doesn't happen. So we should do something about it but having more bins - it would stop litter, some would still throw it on the floor but it would make a difference.
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I would like to think if there were plenty of bins, that are not overflowing, the problem would be eased at least a bit, but I really don't think it would make any difference

Dave.
 
cambsno said:
Same With Glass I believe. Or you get some money back as when I have been there you see people collecting lots in bags or trolleys to turn into cash. Great idea. Gives the homeless or poor a chance to warm some money while keeping streets cleaner.
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When you take the bottle back to the supermarket you can get a voucher to cash in or donate it to charity.
My experience (mainly in REWE supermarkets) is that the majority leave it for good causes.
Also find bins about to drop them in whereby the deposit is given to charity.
Its true you do see the less fortunate going round looking for empties, usually got loads in a bin liner
 
It's important to point out that Liverpool FC and the city's mayor have condemned the actions of that crowd at the Pier Head as 'unacceptable'. Which is fair enough really. But it's really quite insignificant compared to the rubbish dumped by people flocking to beaches and beauty spots and that. But the most significant damage to the environment was from the pollution of all the motor vehicles travelling to said attractions. That's something you won't hear anyone talking about...
 
The lack of a deposit scheme for bottles is unfortunately an example of the government's lack of will or vision.

Why can't we have what appears to be a simple system such as that in Norway - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42953038 ? Being cynical is the answer included in the article -

" But politicians in Westminster have been more cautious amid lobbying by drinks manufacturers and fears from small shops about the administrative burden. "

Dave
 
Tringa said:
Why can't we have what appears to be a simple system such as that in Norway
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Because Norway are dreadful Communist terrorists and they will undermine Traditional British Values™.

Or something.
 
AZ6 said:
Because Norway are dreadful Communist terrorists and they will undermine Traditional British Values™.

Or something.
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hey up, someone is gonna bite....
 
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