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russ8585

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Im using Lightroom and Photoshop for editing on Windows 7. The pictures look great (and just as I edited them) on my monitor with windows photo viewer. However when I click the slide-show button the colour tones change! :thinking:

I wondered if this was something to do with the colour profile settings so I exported the same shot in sRGB, RGB and ProPhoto. Each shot looked the same on my screen in Lightroom and windows photo viewer but when I hit the slide-show button each one displayed in different tonal ranges.

Im finding this rather confusing. The shots look just as I want them too but in slide-show they don't. Im not sure what to do and which display is the TRUE photo after editing :bang:
 
Right click the desktop, select screen resolution, click advanced settings, click the color management tab then select color management. Ensure sRGB IEC619gg-2.1 is selected as default profile.

Have you calibrated your monitor with a calibrator and software? If so, do not use ICC v4.0 profiles... use v2.0 profiles instead. Windows doesn't like V4 profiles.
 
Still doesn't look right. In windows photo viewer and on screen genially the photo looks great but in slide-show the colours are duller.

Is this something to worry about? It only seems to happen with windows slide-show so far...
 
That's correct, yes.

Have you converted the images to sRGB or assigned a profile?

If everything is assigned to sRGB you shouldn't be having any viewing problems within windows.

I wouldn't worry about the images... they'll be correct,, this is clearly a windows photo viewer problem.

Usually less colour on screen is a result of using a wider gamut profile like Adobe RGB. Clearly the viewer is not recognising colour profiles in slideshow mode.
 
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This is the issue Im having:

http://i48.tinypic.com/344vbjr.jpg

The left shows how I see it on screen, in lightroom, photoshop etc. But in slide-show mode it looks like the right.

Ive just had a though. The photos were shot in sRGB (before I knew about colour spaces). Could lightroom be editing/exporting in RGB thus causing the issue?
 
That image you just posted is tagged with Adobe RGB 1998. If all your images are, that's your problem. Tag them with sRGB abd they'll display on your screen just fine.
 
I just exported in sRGB this time and its fine in all displays.

So annoying, I did this shoot a week before I learned about colours spaces and my camrea was in sRGB be default. Live and learn.

Thanks for the help :)
 
Pookeyhead said:
That image you just posted is tagged with Adobe RGB 1998. If all your images are, that's your problem. Tag them with sRGB abd they'll display on your screen just fine.
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What does tag mean?

What I really mean David is, DEMONSTRATE to the poster/forum what you mean as not everyone is as knowledgeable as you.

I like that you know stuff but you very rarely show how and why things work, especially in lay mans terms!
 
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You're welcome.
 
Tagged with a profile just means that,... it has a ICC profile embedded to instruct the host software to display it correctly (assuming the software is ICC compliant).

tiler65 said:
What does tag mean?

What I really mean David is, DEMONSTRATE to the poster/forum what you mean as not everyone is as knowledgeable as you.

I like that you know stuff but you very rarely show how and why things work, especially in lay mans terms!
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I've just solved his problem and you're having a go at me? LOL.. OK. He already knew how to export his images in various profiles... he said so in post 1. I felt no need to patronise him.
 
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I think its quite easy now I realize.

I shot in sRGB but edited in RGB thus causing the mess up!
 
russ8585 said:
I think its quite easy now I realize.

I shot in sRGB but edited in RGB thus causing the mess up!
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If you're shooting in RAW... what you set on the camera makes no difference anyway. Only when you shoot in JPEG or TIFF does the camera pay any attention to that. To avoid further problems, export from LR in sRGB.
 
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Pookeyhead said:
Tagged with a profile just means that,... it has a ICC profile embedded to instruct the host software to display it correctly (assuming the software is ICC compliant).



I've just solved his problem and you're having a go at me? LOL.. OK. He already knew how to export his images in various profiles... he said so in post 1. I felt no need to patronise him.
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yes I am having a go at you and I believe that what I wrote was in the correct context for this forum and this particular thread.

I do hope you are not as distant with your pupils!
 
Just spotted the patronise post- it is not about that - it is about that anyone can see the thread, including learners.
 
tiler65 said:
yes I am having a go at you and I believe that what I wrote was in the correct context for this forum and this particular thread.

I do hope you are not as distant with your pupils!
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Well.. quite frankly.. I don't care what you think. He knew how to export in various profiles.. he states very clearly in post 1. What would be the point of me explaining how to export in various profiles to him?.. he already knows how to do that. His problem was not understanding what problem exporting in Adobe RGB causes. He now does. Problem solved.. /thread. Simple. Why you feel the need, or even think you have the right to barge in reprimanding people I have no idea.

As for your last comment.. you get my standard reply. "I'm not at work".
 
Pookeyhead said:
If you're shooting in RAW... what you set on the camera makes no difference anyway. Only when you shoot in JPEG or TIFF does the camera pay any attention to that. To avoid further problems, export from LR in sRGB.
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well now I am confused cause I shoot RAW so exporting in sRGB or RGB should make no difference
 
russ8585 said:
well now I am confused cause I shoot RAW so exporting in sRGB or RGB should make no difference
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If you shoot RAW, the images that come off the camera (the RAW files) have no colour profile embedded at all.... nill, zip, nada...

When you export from Lightroom, you choose your profile depending on use. In your case, for screen, you choose sRGB. Until you do that, the RAW files have no colour profile information at all. Not until you convert them into an image format does that happen.


tiler65 said:
Just spotted the patronise post- it is not about that - it is about that anyone can see the thread, including learners.
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Sorry.. here to help this guy... until you arrived, there was only us two in here. Sorry if I am not considering others to your satisfaction, but I spend all day fixing people's problems, and yes, I spare time in here to help as many others as I can, when I can. I am however, a busy man, so I keep my posts brief and to the point. If you do not like that... I'm sorry, but (in the nicest possible way) I really do not care.
 
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Pookeyhead said:
Well.. quite frankly.. I don't care what you think. He knew how to export in various profiles.. he states very clearly in post 1. What would be the point of me explaining how to export in various profiles to him?.. he already knows how to do that. His problem was not understanding what problem exporting in Adobe RGB causes. He now does. Problem solved.. /thread. Simple. Why you feel the need, or even think you have the right to barge in reprimanding people I have no idea.

As for your last comment.. you get my standard reply. "I'm not at work".
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russ8585 said:
well now I am confused cause I shoot RAW so exporting in sRGB or RGB should make no difference
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Maybe you spoke too soon. David!
 
then why is is RGB displaying differently on different programs if the source file never had a colour space to start with?
 
tiler65 said:
Maybe you spoke too soon. David!
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Oooh!! oooh!!... I scored a point... grow up. He knows how to export in profiles.. he's confused about RAW files not having an embedded profile... if you feel being a pedantic arse will help him, carry on being a buffoon.


russ8585 said:
then why is is RGB displaying differently on different programs if the source file never had a colour space to start with?
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Because you are not looking at the RAW files in Windows Photo Viewer.

When you export them from Lightroom, you are ADDING a colour profile at that stage.

The SOURCE file had no colour profile, but what you exported from Lightroom does... and if it's Adobe RGB, it will appear desaturated on normal sRGB monitors.

Even if you were looking at the RAW files directly in Windows Photo Viewer... as they have no colour profile attached, Windows has no instructions on how to display them correctly.

Adding the sRGB profile to the images allows Windows to map the colours to your display correctly. That's what colour profiles do.
 
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but sRGB is only for screen? thus these copies would be crap to printing.
 
Pookeyhead said:
Oooh!! oooh!!... I scored a point... grow up. He knows how to export in profiles.. he's confused about RAW files not having an embedded profile... if you feel being a pedantic arse will help him, carry on being a buffoon.




Because you are not looking at the RAW files in Windows Photo Viewer.

When you export them from Lightroom, you are ADDING a colour profile at that stage.

Even if you were looking at the RAW files directly in Windows Photo Viewer... as they have no colour profile attached, Windows has no instructions on how to display them correctly.

Adding the sRGB profile to the images allows Windows to map the colours to your display correctly. That's what colour profiles do.
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Actually what I posted earlier about you not demonstrating a ' how to' , you have now managed that act. So, when you you read back through this thread you will realise that my motives were honourable to the OP but also to the forum.
 
russ8585 said:
but sRGB is only for screen? thus these copies would be crap to printing.
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Most commercial printers will ask for them to be in sRGB anyway. Using sRGB is by far the safest and most compatible way of preparing your images unless you are quite well conversed in colour workflow and management.


This is a good article about colour profiles... it's designed for web designers more than photographers, but it has some good examples, and explains things quite well.

http://www.gballard.net/psd/go_live_page_profile/embeddedJPEGprofiles.html


Until you are confident in understanding teh ins and outs of colour profiling and workflow, which to be honest, is beyond what I can reasonably type in an internet forum, using sRGB is the safest option.

I use Adobe RGB, but I output to printers than can use the wider colourspace, and my monitor can display the Adobe RGB colour width with no problems. I will however, re-save my images with sRGB if they are intended for the internet, or any other screen based usage.

sRGB contains the narrowest range of colours, Adobe RGB is wider, and Pro Photo wider still. They all contain the same AMOUNT of colours, but the wider colourspaces allow greater saturation of colours.... so reds in Adobe RGB are capable of being more red than in sRGB. In that respect, wider colour gamuts are more accurate, but they can't be displayed on everyone's monitors, and can't be printed on all printers. For this reason, embedding your images with sRGB is the safest option for screen use.



Another good article here...

http://www.imaginginfo.com/print/Studio-Photography/ICC-Color-Management-Explained/3$3667



tiler65 said:
So, when you you read back through this thread you will realise that my motives were honourable to the OP but also to the forum.
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My opinion of your motives is actually very different. All you've done is mess the thread up for anyone else reading it. Well done.
 
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