Cloud and local based Lightroom offer at amazon

Hi, I fell for this option and regretted it for the some of the restrictions (read what it says on the tin before you buy) compared to the L/R P/S CC option I purchased on an Amazon Prime day, I must point out I don't use the P/S but do like L/R. Russ.
 
I have something of a simple mantra these days: Subscription models can get stuffed. I sub to other people’s content [hello Prime, Netflix] not to access my own content. Carry on

seriously though, folks are hanging onto LR6 Classic for a reason. There’s a big gap… the bit between Apple/Google Photos [general life organisation] and Adobe’s supping with the subscription devil [and Aperture, my favourite, leaving the party]…. Mylio seems close… various open source devs have the chops but not the UI.. someone will close the gap with a non-sub well featured and classy GUI DAM software, enough that LR classic users finally have an option
 
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I had a trial of Photomator for my Mac yesterday, i would be happy with that if I didn’t want to pay a sub
 
danbroad said:
tongue, cheek ;-)
I do think we need a competitive non subscription alternative, and I for one will not use LR as a result. It’s good software... Do whatever feels comfortable.
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There are plenty of non subscription alternatives. Why are you here? If you don’t like Adobe, nobody is forcing you to use it.
 
I had a trial of Photomator for my Mac yesterday,
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I’d be a bit wary now Apple have bought them, till their intentions are clear. Could vanish, move into the OS or… just continue.
 
ecoleman said:
There are plenty of non subscription alternatives. Why are you here? If you don’t like Adobe, nobody is forcing you to use it.
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Unusual question; we are here to discuss PP and editing… don’t take offence in a differing opinion.

Photomator was a good option - like others I’m curious to see what IP Apple want to absorb (they did similar with the virtual synth Alchemy which ended up inside Logic Pro, leaving paid windows users with nothing). Mylio is promising. Adobe too if you are happy with a subscription.
 
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danbroad said:
Unusual question; we are here to discuss PP and editing… don’t take offence in a differing opinion.

Photomator was a good option - like others I’m curious to see what IP Apple want to absorb (they did similar with the virtual synth Alchemy which ended up inside Logic Pro, leaving paid windows users with nothing). Mylio is promising. Adobe too if you are happy with a subscription.
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This isn't really a discussion about the pros and cons of different software. It's a thread to inform others of an Amazon deal.

The "I hate Adobe", "I will never use Adobe", "Subscriptions are crap" posts are just getting a bit tiresome. We get it, after spending £1000's on camera equipment, you can't afford £7-£8/month on fantastic software. We don't care.
 
ecoleman said:
The "I hate Adobe", "I will never use Adobe", "Subscriptions are crap" posts are just getting a bit tiresome. We get it, after spending £1000's on camera equipment, you can't afford £7-£8/month on fantastic software. We don't care.
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Most would like Adobe software but don't like the model they use for distribution. It's not unreasonable to mention it in a thread about Adobe software.
 
I currently have Adobe subs but bought using the once a year Amazon deal. I don't consider that any different to paying for an annual update licence. I also have Affinity, I bought the first version for £25, a couple of years later I paid £80-odd I think for v2 plus all the other stuff as I use the other tools a bit. In fact the Adobe 20Gb photography plan, bought annually on Prime Day or Black Friday, is good value., considering all the other stuff you get with it.
Who remembers when you had to buy Photoshop as a one-off package of CD's? It was in the region of £400-£600 as I recall, so many people bought rip-off copies (mine was bought in Bangkok or Bali as I recall). I far prefer the current model, when I view it as an annual sub rather than monthly. LR6 and earlier were fine as one-off purchases, but many people would periodically upgrade (at a price), in order to get new features and align with new camera raw file formats.
I wonder if the DAM in Elements is any good? I've not used it for many years. Is it now too automated?
 
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Since I switched to the more modern looking Cloud/Local based version I’m more than happy to cough up £70 a year for an excellent editor.
I could be happy just using apple photos for my needs but I love the masking and other excellent stuff which does allow me to be a bit more creative with some photos.
 
In some ways I'd prefer a static version of LR that wasn't regularly updated, since sometimes functionality is changed to something less helpful (like the toning control).
 
I dunno, I’m happy to pay for software that’s being updated. If it didn’t get updated then bugs wouldn’t get fixed and there’d be issues with new versions of the operating system, new hardware support etc. if it’s going to get updates that needs paying for, so subscription does make sense as a more sustainable choice.

As mentioned above it’s also often cheaper, especially if you correct for inflation, than pro software used to cost.
 
danbroad said:
tongue, cheek ;-)
I do think we need a competitive non subscription alternative, and I for one will not use LR as a result. It’s good software... Do whatever feels comfortable.
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Do you pay a monthly subscription for a phone?

Dave
 
This has opened a can of worms..... Firstly, I pay many thousands per yr in professional subs alone.. yes a phone too, it's essential to me 24/7. However, if I were to take a hiatus I can pause any of my subs, as one can with Netflix etc. It isn't cost, it's that unlike many here I take photos only a few months per year - a fine weather hobby - and the inability to hiatus a subscription for occasional hobbyists is not a business model I admire. I'm not the only one against infexible subscription models in principle, or there wouldn't be a stream of people asking for an alternative to LR Classic or LR subscription enough to offend some of you [though I don't visit TP as much these days, and obviously it's passed me by]. Anyway, LR is a fine program for those who use it regularly and get the best from a subscription. Best of luck to you all.
 
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Best of luck to you all.
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I have On1 Photoraw as a paid alternative to Lightroom - generally upgrade every 2-3 years. It's pretty good, and a while back they had an option to import photos from LR catalogues too.
 
Adobe used to have a different pricing model a few years ago. I paid the one off fee for LR and PS and paid for the upgrades (not necessarily every year) and would you believe it cost me on average just over £100 p.a. So now under the subscription model it still cost just over £100 p.a. but it is always right up-to-date. I do use many of the features and use LR/PS regularly so the current subscription is fine. For anyone who does not need to use good imaging software you do not have to subscribe; even Adobe offer a cheaper alternative (Elements). There are plenty of third party imaging packages as well so I cannot see why some here are moaning unless you are looking for a free handout from Adobe.

Dave
 
danbroad said:
This has opened a can of worms..... Firstly, I pay many thousands per yr in professional subs alone.. yes a phone too, it's essential to me 24/7. However, if I were to take a hiatus I can pause any of my subs, as one can with Netflix etc. It isn't cost, it's that unlike many here I take photos only a few months per year - a fine weather hobby - and the inability to hiatus a subscription for occasional hobbyists is not a business model I admire. I'm not the only one against infexible subscription models in principle, or there wouldn't be a stream of people asking for an alternative to LR Classic or LR subscription enough to offend some of you [though I don't visit TP as much these days, and obviously it's passed me by]. Anyway, LR is a fine program for those who use it regularly and get the best from a subscription. Best of luck to you all.
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And that’s fair enough but why do you feel the need to visit a thread about Adobe and tell everyone about how you hate a subscription model.

I shoot with a Canon camera, I don’t particularly like Nikon cameras but I don’t frequent Nikon forums and tell everyone I hate them for what ever reason.

I also don’t get to photograph as often as I like and it’s a hobby for me too but for the price of a couple of cups of coffee I think LR and PS is a fantastic deal especially when you get to take advantage of deals like the one this thread is actually about.

Adobe changed their pricing model to subscription years ago and no matter how much you and others whinge about it they’re not going to change it. As stated you are not paying to access your data, if you cancel your subscription you can still access your data, edits and use the DAM features for free. There is also a multitude of other options available for you to choose from.
 
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ecoleman said:
And that’s fair enough but why do you feel the need to visit a thread about Adobe and tell everyone about how you hate a subscription model.
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Dan expressed the same frustration many of us feel with Adobe - we don't want to rent our software - and wish that they would return to the previous model.
 
I'm a hobby tog and have affinity V2 suite that I got when it first came out for about £49 or similar. I also have Adobe 20gb creative cloud. I just only buy it when it's on amazon and discounted. It's was £69.99 a little while ago. I'm paid up to 26/8/26 but if it's discounted again soon with all the sales I'll just buy two years worth and stack it. £60-£80 a year, I can live with..£5-£7 a month...less than a posh coffee at Starbucks or similar.
 
I am puzzled a to why so many think that Adobe store all your data in the Cloud. It true that Adobe offer me several Gb of cloud but I do not choose to use it but store everything on my own PC and NAS.

Dave
 
ancient_mariner said:
Dan expressed the same frustration many of us feel with Adobe - we don't want to rent our software - and wish that they would return to the previous model.
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You don't rent your software, and you didn't own the software in the past.
What you do pay for is a licence to use the software - in the past this was am unlimited period licence to use a specific version of the software with free minor upgrades for an unspecified length of time, and a discount on the licence fee for the next major version of the software.
Now this has changed to an annual licence fee (often paid monthly) with all upgrades included - and at a price (considering you get LR and PS) significantly lower the the previous model had you opted to upgrade each time (even more so if you opt to buy the discounted Amazon subscription bundles). For those that DO want the latest features, bug fixes and camera compatibility, the subscription model is a significant improvement on the old one-off option.
 
Faldrax said:
You don't rent your software, and you didn't own the software in the past.
What you do pay for is a licence to use the software - in the past this was am unlimited period licence to use a specific version of the software with free minor upgrades for an unspecified length of time, and a discount on the licence fee for the next major version of the software.
Now this has changed to an annual licence fee (often paid monthly) with all upgrades included - and at a price (considering you get LR and PS) significantly lower the the previous model had you opted to upgrade each time (even more so if you opt to buy the discounted Amazon subscription bundles). For those that DO want the latest features, bug fixes and camera compatibility, the subscription model is a significant improvement on the old one-off option.
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Consider the word 'rent' to be a metaphore for paying a monthly license fee, rather than having a license agreement that allows use of the software without a specified time constraint.
 
As I wasn't taking many photos I dumped my £10 a month subscription to LR + PS (Photography bundle) around 6 months ago. I heard that there are sometimes deals to be had around Black Friday so had a look on Amazon earlier this week and dropped on the same package for £62.99 for the year. That is almost half price so I pulled the trigger. I will do the same next year if the option is there but have bought Affinity 2 and been using it - just in case.

Dave.
 
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