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A Dispatches documentary:


From ther article:
On Saturday, Channel 4 Dispatches will air a documentary titled “The King, the Prince and Their Secret Millions”. It is expected to disclose new details of properties owned by the Duchy of Cornwall, including industrial sites and residential properties with poor environment ratings.

From the article: In a short trailer released earlier this week, Dispacthes said the royals' wealth is 'shrouded in secrecy' and their investigation will focus on how much it is costing 'to keep Charles and William rich'.
 
They charge the Royal Navy to tie up in harbours because they own the shorelines. They charge the army for training on Duchy land. They charge rent on buildings housing charities like Comic Relief and Macmillan Cancer Care. They invest in mineral mining despite their much trumpeted "green" values. The two Duchies..Lancaster and Cornwall don't pay capital gains tax nor business taxes. Some time ago I posted on here that a new law was being introduced and when that happens it has to be go to the monarch for Royal Assent. A Bill went before the late Queen that enshrined in law the right of a tenant to buy their properrty after living in it for three years. Prince Charles got wind of this and realised he'd lose a lot of rental income from his Cornwall houses and "had a word" with Mum who very obligingly had the Crown Estates,including the Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster...exempt. Nice one.

Here's the story. The royal family has used a secretive procedure to vet three parliamentary acts that have prevented residents on Prince Charles’ estate from buying their own homes for decades..https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/09/prince-charles-vetted-laws-that-stop-his-tenants-buying-their-homes

An overview of the Chn4 programme this evening by the Guardian.

 
Frankly, it's a distraction. We're all being played by much larger forces than this one family.
As I get older I'm increasingly inclined to ask the question, can I do anything about it?

If yes, do it.

If no, either forget about it or wind myself up.
 
Frankly, it's a distraction. We're all being played by much larger forces than this one family.
As I get older I'm increasingly inclined to ask the question, can I do anything about it?

If yes, do it.

If no, either forget about it or wind myself up.
My bold. Well, I do take an interest in all sorts of things I can't directly do anything about and, judging by the posts on here in HT, many others are in the same position.

Can you do anything about it ? No..I grant you that and me neither but others can and it needs exposing and brought to the attention of the public which this documentary has done. They'll be darned annoyed and not a little embarrassed as much of their wealth creation is secret. Chn4 got a surveyor into William's Duchy of Cornwall rented homes and there was poor thermal quality of the homes and issues of damp and black mould, The Energy Performance Certificate ratings were as bad as F or G.. When the surveyor was asked what kind of landlord would rent such a property he said.. paraphrasing.. "One that either wasn't aware of current legislation or didn't care" How damning. He said..twice..when told it was the Duchy of Cornwall..ie Prince William.."That surprises me"


You say it's all a distraction. Distraction is an announcement from the Palace that Charles & Co would not be averse to doing away with the MBE ands OBE and replacing them with medals of" Excellence"..or the like.I heard it on the radio this morning and it's the first time I've heard of that. On that subject. Why on earth should sportsmen and women be knighted ..why should anyone ? There's Sir Andy Murray,Dame Kelly Holmes , Seb Coe. was made Baron Coe of Ranmere .That was to go with his peerage..Lord Coe. Sir Tony McCoy (2016) for services to horse racing, for goodness sake. Give me a break. I don't even think Alan Bates, who, as you know, took the the Post Office to court, should have been knighted. He was the antithesis of the cancerous class-ridden system of patronage and privilege we have in this country giving access where others can't go and, in addition the impunity that bedevils so much of our society. He's chosen to be part of it. I think he should have been recognised in some way but not as part of our rotten, debilitating, class system.

Back to the Duchies. A farmer from Cornwall was on LBC this morning saying that the MOD write to her when they want to use her land to carry out exercises and would she let them know how much she wants. She said she's told them she doesn't want any payment as they are training to protect the country. Maybe the Royals should take a leaf out of her book. Charles and William get about £20 million a year from all these fees. Another nice little earner for William..since he took over the Duchy of Cornwall from Charles, is his £1.5 a year rent for Dartmoor prison as it's built on his land. I don't buy a Sunday paper..too little news and too much of anything but news especially pull-outs and large magazines ..but LBC and Five Live say many are running with this story . I thought it was a just Chn4 documentary but it was in conjunction with the Sunday Times. It will be very embarrassing for the Royals .One caller to LBC radio tried to distance Charles from it all by saying that he doesn't take part in the day to day running of his investments but another caller said he's right on top of it.. Even gifts from the Queen....houses and even horses were cited, that do not attract inheritance tax when passed to Charles who was next in line so when he dies the same will apply to William.

A plague on all their houses,I say. When I say all their houses I should have added castles,too. The Palace of Versailles gets 15 million visitors a year and the last king to live there was Louis XVI who was guillotined on 21 January 1793. If the country doesn't want to abolish the institution of the Monarchy then it needs to be radically slimmed down. Far more than Charles has embarked on so far, with Andrew being the latest to relieved of funding ie income and security to the tune of millions a year .He'll have to downgrade from the 10-bedroom (30-room) Royal Lodge in Windsor to, it's suggested, the ten-roomed (includes five bedrooms) Frogmore Cottage,Windsor, which is not a cottage atall but a very large house. The Royals upkeep, overall, is costing us far more than any other European Royal family . In 2022 the UK taxpayer gave £86.3m-£127m towards the cost of the royal family. Of that, £34.5m was spent on refurbishing Buckingham Palace as part of a 10-year restoration programme. The cost to the taxpayer, for the royal household’s operating costs, travel and maintenance on other residences, was £51.8m. In addition ,as shown in the documentary, is income from the two Duchies on which ,as I mentioned, they pay no corporation nor capital gains tax.

Just to cite a few differences ..approximately.

Spain. £7.4m. Only after a corruption scandal involving King Juan Carlos who left the country in disgrace.

Netherlands. £44m. Exempt from income tax.

Belgium £12.5m Pay income tax.

Sweden. £11.5m

Norway. £24m.

Denmark .£14m

Luxenbourg. £17m.
 
Shock horror his majesty doesn't pay tax over to His Majesty's Revenue & Customs... (and yes I know the king is no longer fundraising directly to fund their planned attacks on France, or the other historic reasons for a monarch to levy Taxes).

The figures are small fry compared to the tax avoidance/minimalisation strategies of much of big business in the UK that the program felt very overly dramatic in its presentation (which seems to be Dispatches editorial style IMO).
 
Shock horror his majesty doesn't pay tax over to His Majesty's Revenue & Customs... (and yes I know the king is no longer fundraising directly to fund their planned attacks on France, or the other historic reasons for a monarch to levy Taxes).

The figures are small fry compared to the tax avoidance/minimalisation strategies of much of big business in the UK that the program felt very overly dramatic in its presentation (which seems to be Dispatches editorial style IMO).
It's not about comparison with big bussiness.
 
It's not about comparison with big bussiness.

Maybe but personally I think without context of how these situations sit in the bigger scheme of things/wider society these reports render themselves pointless.

(and I am of a Republican viewpoint and would lose the Royals tomorrow if we could)
 
Maybe but personally I think without context of how these situations sit in the bigger scheme of things/wider society these reports render themselves pointless.

(and I am of a Republican viewpoint and would lose the Royals tomorrow if we could)
Thing is, that Duchies are exempted from paying two forms of tax. Big business hire smart accountants, smarter than those in the HMRC, they say..to find legal ways of reducing their tax bill. There's another aspect of that documentary and its the hypocracy involved. Saying one thing and doing another. In additon the source of much of that income.... hospitals, prisons, the army, the navy, all public bodies. and also charities..

(off to listen to Spurs v Aston Villa)
 
I wonder if they will mention Charlie voluntarily paid 45% tax on his duchy income.
 
I wonder if they will mention Charlie voluntarily paid 45% tax on his duchy income.
My bold. Firstly, the programme went out last night. Secondly, the way you've written that really annoys me. You've pointed out that Charles voluntarily pays income tax and ignored everything else in my post. You sound like an apologist for them. By the way , it isn't so "voluntarily".. it's because it was an agreement first made with HMCR by the late Queen for the Monarch and he has no choice.

You know how cash-strapped the NHS is but he thinks it's morally fine to charge the NHS , at least, £11.4 million (according to the below article) over 15 years to store ambulances in one of his warehouses.

From this article:
The Duchy of Lancaster, a property empire which provides a private income to the monarch, is charging one NHS trust at least £11.4 million in rent to store its ambulances over the next 15 years.Bombshell documents reveal the duchy is earning £830,000 a year from renting a two-storey warehouse to Guy's and St Thomas' NHS Foundation Trust in London.


Dame Margaret Hodge was interviewed and mentioned the income tax paid voluntarily. Still leaves nothing paid on capital gains tax and corporation tax.
 
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Please do not tell me what I have ignored or start accusing me of something I'm not.
The way I've written it really annoys you. Well that's a shame.
 
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Please do not tell me what I have ignored or start accusing me of something I'm not.
The way I've written it really annoys you. Well that's a shame.

It was sarcasm.That was my point.
 
It wasn't actually sarcasm but as with nearly all these programs they are more of a witch-hunt as the generally concentrate solely on one side of the story. That's all I was trying to say
 
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It wasn't actually sarcasm but as with nearly all these programs they are more of a witch-hunt as the generally concentrate solely on one side of the story. That's all I was trying to say
Ok. Fair enough.It did come across as sarcasm to me and that's why I mentioned that you hadn't spoken about the other taxes they don't pay. Said in the context of those other taxes it would have been fine. As I've mentioned before, misunderstandings are all too easy online.
 
Are you sure about that? I don't remember it and you can be sure the Tory press would never have shut up about it.
Here it is, Jerry.

Guardian article:

The royal family has used a secretive procedure to vet three parliamentary acts that have prevented residents on Prince Charles’ estate from buying their own homes for decades, the Guardian can reveal.His £1bn Duchy of Cornwall estate was later given special exemptions in the acts that denied residents the legal right to buy their own homes outright.

Also,this exemption.


 
My bold. Firstly, the programme went out last night. Secondly, the way you've written that really annoys me. You've pointed out that Charles voluntarily pays income tax and ignored everything else in my post. You sound like an apologist for them. By the way , it isn't so "voluntarily".. it's because it was an agreement first made with HMCR by the late Queen for the Monarch and he has no choice.

You know how cash-strapped the NHS is but he thinks it's morally fine to charge the NHS , at least, £11.4 million (according to the below article) over 15 years to store ambulances in one of his warehouses.

From this article:
The Duchy of Lancaster, a property empire which provides a private income to the monarch, is charging one NHS trust at least £11.4 million in rent to store its ambulances over the next 15 years.Bombshell documents reveal the duchy is earning £830,000 a year from renting a two-storey warehouse to Guy's and St Thomas' NHS Foundation Trust in London.


Dame Margaret Hodge was interviewed and mentioned the income tax paid voluntarily. Still leaves nothing paid on capital gains tax and corporation tax.
I would thought the bigger question is why does the NHS need to store so many ambulances? How much money is tied up in those vehicles?
 
As I see it, the royal family and other super-rich people simply have a sense of entitlement. Their ancestors "acquired" vast swathes of land hundreds or more years ago and, as they see it, they have an absolute right to maximise their income from it.

But most of us are no different - if we get a large pay rise we feel honoured and very loyal to the person who pays our wages for a month, then our sense of entitlement kicks in and we take it for granted. This will never change, it's just human nature. Even if the royals are doing something wrong, they will never see it, and the situation won't help by being surrounded by yes-men who reinforce their self-beliefs.

Another example may be the late Prince Philip - he had a car crash at the age of 97, didn't seem to see it as any kind of a problem and had a new replacement car delivered the very next day. Ordinary people can't do that, and ordinary people can't even get car insurance at that age, or at least they can't afford it even they can get it.
 
As I see it, the royal family and other super-rich people simply have a sense of entitlement. Their ancestors "acquired" vast swathes of land hundreds or more years ago and, as they see it, they have an absolute right to maximise their income from it.

But most of us are no different - if we get a large pay rise we feel honoured and very loyal to the person who pays our wages for a month, then our sense of entitlement kicks in and we take it for granted. This will never change, it's just human nature. Even if the royals are doing something wrong, they will never see it, and the situation won't help by being surrounded by yes-men who reinforce their self-beliefs.

Another example may be the late Prince Philip - he had a car crash at the age of 97, didn't seem to see it as any kind of a problem and had a new replacement car delivered the very next day. Ordinary people can't do that, and ordinary people can't even get car insurance at that age, or at least they can't afford it even they can get it.

This is my issue with the Royal Family. I do wonder if much of their wealth such be seized under the Proceeds of Crime Act! lol
 
Ok. Fair enough.It did come across as sarcasm to me and that's why I mentioned that you hadn't spoken about the other taxes they don't pay. Said in the context of those other taxes it would have been fine. As I've mentioned before, misunderstandings are all too easy online.
I also didn't mention the taxes they do pay.
 
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