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Anyone shooting u18s sport.. OK we know the rules are.. no rules.. but back in the real world there are too many..

To keep people happy I point everyone to my own child photo policy.. some standard you see at places like the FA .com and some I added myself..

Does anyone else have a policy/ best practice type thing?
 
I just had a look at your policy Tony. That's a very good idea, I really like that.
 
I shoot kids football tournaments which the organisers fill in a booking form. I have the usually requirements such as pat tested electrical equipment, public liability and CRB etc. I also have a clause stating I must be notified of anyone not wanting to be photographed at least one hour before the event.
 
I always worry about this. I would love to take photos of my lads team. I'm sure the parents would be OK with it but there have been a few occasions over the years where neanderthal parents from the opposition have bowled over to our side of the pitch when they see a camera.

We had one occasion where a 10yr old girl was taking a photo of her 7yr old brother because it was his first match. It was just at the side of the pitch before the game and no other child was nearby. A parent from the opposition threatened to smash her camera up if he saw it again.
 
Afgha said:
I always worry about this. I would love to take photos of my lads team. I'm sure the parents would be OK with it but there have been a few occasions over the years where neanderthal parents from the opposition have bowled over to our side of the pitch when they see a camera.

We had one occasion where a 10yr old girl was taking a photo of her 7yr old brother because it was his first match. It was just at the side of the pitch before the game and no other child was nearby. A parent from the opposition threatened to smash her camera up if he saw it again.
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People theses days :shake:
 
simonblue said:
People theses days :shake:
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Exactly.. But so long as we know "that's what people are like" then we can take steps... Major one is to not just turn up and take pics.. We should at the minimum speak to both managers and the ref..then off we go.. I agree it shoudn't have to be like that.. and thats the trick.. understanding that's how it is nowerdays :(
 
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Afgha said:
I always worry about this. I would love to take photos of my lads team. I'm sure the parents would be OK with it but there have been a few occasions over the years where neanderthal parents from the opposition have bowled over to our side of the pitch when they see a camera.

We had one occasion where a 10yr old girl was taking a photo of her 7yr old brother because it was his first match. It was just at the side of the pitch before the game and no other child was nearby. A parent from the opposition threatened to smash her camera up if he saw it again.
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Is hope some one explained the reality to him, myself i would have been to busy helping him put a corner post somewhere safe if he had spoken to my daughter in such a way
 
jd.smith said:
Is hope some one explained the reality to him, myself i would have been to busy helping him put a corner post somewhere safe if he had spoken to my daughter in such a way
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I doubt it somehow.
 
At my daughters club all the players sign a photo permission form at the start of the season, but........

Whenever I have taken photos any of the junior teams at my daughters club I always introduce myself to both sets of managers and ask if it's okay to take photos and say to them to ask the parents on their teams if it's okay.

Never had a problem so far, maybe I've just been lucky with people but I think it's nice to make that initial contact before the game starts so people know what you are doing.
 
footydad said:
At my daughters club all the players sign a photo permission form at the start of the season, but........

Whenever I have taken photos any of the junior teams at my daughters club I always introduce myself to both sets of managers and ask if it's okay to take photos and say to them to ask the parents on their teams if it's okay.

Never had a problem so far, maybe I've just been lucky with people but I think it's nice to make that initial contact before the game starts so people know what you are doing.
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I do exactly the same. Better to be open IMHO , it prevents any issues later.
 
I know this is nothing to do with sport,but i was in the park in the play area and i took some shots of little one when this chap came up to me and ask me not take any more photos as his children were in their and he didn't want his children in any photos,i assure him his children were not in my photos,him seem ok so i just move on and let little one and her friend carry on playing.
But as i was walking away i saw some other parents looking toward me they didn't say anything.
Anyway to cut a long story short,after a while this bloke left with his wife a kids and all of a sudden cameras came out from everywhere and the other parents started taking photos of their children playing.
Which made me think had here approached other parent before i got their and stopped them,and has he a right to after all it was a public area and he seem the only one bother ?

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He didnt have a right.. he should have moved his children..

the thing is.. theres lots of people like him about who are in the wrong.. lots of people who will tell you that you need a crb to take pics of children. you need permission from parents.. you need release forms blah blah... You dont need anyhting..

But rather than try and argue with everyone which is a never ending never winnign battle.. I have come to terms that this situation exists.. so I will work round it rather than try fighting it,. hence the policy I have started..just one of the steps..


Some will say people like me not making a stand is part of the problem.. well for me thats just silly.. the problem is there.. I dont like racists but i cant get rid of them all.. i dont like brussel sprouts either... so I dont eat them rather than try to rid the world of them..

Knowing the problem exists and working round it :)
 
The irony in all this is that everyone and his dog snaps away with an iPhone all day long wherever they like and get no grief whatsoever.

I like to take pics of my kids in playparks etc too. Fact is I don't want pictures of anyone else's kids in my photos, even in the background, as it spoils the compositions I want. I've never been approached by parents of other kids (and I'd be inclined to give them short shrift if I was, given that they haven't a leg to stand on), but I do try to avoid any situations like this by very consciously removing the camera from my eye if any other kids stray nearby. I think this is normally sufficient to avoid the wrath of over-protective parents.
 
Spent 5 years shooting youth rugby. The rfu have a very good policy (its easily found if you google - I'm on the phone app).
They actively encourage photography.
 
Doing some searching around and contacting different parties about this very issue. Maybe I could get some comments and feedback.

Basically I want to get into shooting sports, I don't have the equipment or experience to look for paid positions as such, so my intention was to go shoot Sunday kids football maybe build up a collection of images post them on a site where the parents could buy prints.
Eventually saving for a lens a kind of "photography paying for photography" set up.

I've read and watched loads of information in regards to the legalities of taking pictures in public, and as this thread highlights there are no specific rules which state I CAN'T.
So, with confidence, I went to a local game 2 minutes down the road and took some shots. Not the best results... but a start, I got a few looks from parents but I could understand why, I appear to have done the worst thing possible and just turn up and shoot. :S

So Immediately after the game I went and contacted the league and the manager of the team to smooth things over and OK it for future dates. The information I got from Hannah a rep from the league was that it was ok. She sent me documents containing statements that reassured me like "There has been much talk about who is allowed to take pictures of children (under 18s) playing sport and in particular what parents/carers are permitted to do. The FA would like to assure parents, carers, coaches, spectators, players and local media that we encourage the taking of appropriate images of children in football."

Now the person directly connected with the team said something not quite the same. After a few emails I'm now in a position where I have to meet the welfare officer of the club, and prove I have a CRB (Which I do) He will then bring the 'issue' up at the next meeting to decide if I can go ahead. If so, I'll have to meet with some coaches and other (What I consider) unnecessary formalities.

I've just found it really discouraging. I really thought it would work out much simpler than this.
 
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chuck said:
Basically I want to get into shooting sports, I don't have the equipment or experience to look for paid positions as such, so my intention was to go shoot Sunday kids football maybe build up a collection of images post them on a site where the parents could buy prints.
Eventually saving for a lens a kind of "photography paying for photography" set up.
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excellent idea..its how a lot do it..

chuck said:
So, with confidence, I went to a local game 2 minutes down the road and took some shots. Not the best results... but a start, I got a few looks from parents but I could understand why, I appear to have done the worst thing possible and just turn up and shoot. :S
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yeagh.. you shouldnt do that :( common sense should tell you thats not right.. let alone what you can read on here :)


chuck said:
Now the person directly connected with the team said something not quite the same. After a few emails I'm now in a position where I have to meet the welfare officer of the club, and prove I have a CRB (Which I do) He will then bring the 'issue' up at the next meeting to decide if I can go ahead. If so, I'll have to meet with some coaches and other (What I consider) unnecessary formalities.

I've just found it really discouraging. I really thought it would work out much simpler than this.
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UInfortunatly some poeple are less educated than others on the subject.. they like to feel they are somehow protecting the children they are in charge of..


To be honest.. if jumping through loops to get permission puts you off then your not cut out for it... how you should be looking at it is... if you get permission and start shooting.. you wont have any opposition.. there obviously not going to let anyone else or go through it again when they already ahve you.. if they are that picky they wont want more than one.. so you could have the whole league to yourself... look at it like that :)
 
The reason it's becoming a problem is because people keep bringing it up like it's a problem.

You all keep reciting the photography laws which as you know suggest this sort of stuff is fine so why is it still a problem?
 
connersz said:
The reason it's becoming a problem is because people keep bringing it up like it's a problem.

You all keep reciting the photography laws which as you know suggest this sort of stuff is fine so why is it still a problem?
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I have to say.. in all honesty.. I ahvent a clue what your talking about?

PS what laws?
 
KIPAX said:
Exactly.. But so long as we know "that's what people are like" then we can take steps... Major one is to not just turn up and take pics.. We should at the minimum speak to both managers and the ref..then off we go.. I agree it shoudn't have to be like that.. and thats the trick.. understanding that's how it is nowerdays :(
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You're allowed to take the pics and judging by your background it's probably something to do with work anyway but by making an issue about it and asking everything then it's creating the illusion in their mind that it's something they need to keep tabs on.

And thus the next person who goes in expecting it to not be a problem, gets picked up on it for not asking before-hand.

In all honestly this is in response to some similar threads I've seen recently where people are asking what the rules are on this kind of thing but the question is, what's stopping you?
 
connersz said:
You're allowed to take the pics and judging by your background it's probably something to do with work anyway but by making an issue about it and asking everything then it's creating the illusion in their mind that it's something they need to keep tabs on.

And thus the next person who goes in expecting it to not be a problem, gets picked up on it for not asking before-hand.

In all honestly this is in response to some similar threads I've seen recently where people are asking what the rules are on this kind of thing but the question is, what's stopping you?
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sorry still not quite sure what your getting at... are you saying its the photogrpahers fault all this child protection thing because we mention it?

really not being argumentative.. just struggling to see your point ?
 
KIPAX said:
sorry still not quite sure what your getting at... are you saying its the photogrpahers fault all this child protection thing because we mention it?

really not being argumentative.. just struggling to see your point ?
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Yes I am saying that it's part of the problem.

Let's use the example of the park, lets say that someone takes his kids to the park to get some photos and he feels he needs to first explain himself to the other parents and make sure they're happy with it.

The on another occasion someone else goes to the park with his kids and his camera and just presumes (which he should be safe to do so) that he can photograph them as he likes. The other parents now feel like they should have been asked beforehand because the previous guy made a thing about it.

Let's be honest, these sort of nai've people are about and unfortunately because of the media etc. are tracking there kids using smart phones and coating them with bubble wrap.

I'm just saying it does't help yourself to make a big thing about nothing.
 
p.s. this wasnt in response to your policy, but I could see what direction it was going in.
 
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