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The other day I went to my local Cricket club to take photo's of their midweek game.

I asked the captain if I would be ok to do so and he duly obliged. Then another player came over and pointed out to the captain that they had a 17 year old playing for them and stopped me from taking photo's.

He did then allow me to take some when they were batting and the guy was off the pitch but there was only 2 overs left.

Very disappointing.

Were they well within their rights to deny me to take photo's? How can this be overcome?

Thanks in advance, for your responses.
 
If it is on a private cricket ground they can ask you to stop taking pictures for any reason they like. If it is public land you can do what ever you like when ever you like, personally I can't believe someone would be so daft as to complain about you taking pictures that may include a 17 year old playing cricket but I guess that is what the daily mail has reduced us too.
 
In this country 17 year olds are able to decide for themselves lots of things, perhaps he could have given his consent ??

David
 
The land owner or their representatives can ask you not to take photos but not just any tom dick or harry.
 
a1ex2001 said:
personally I can't believe someone would be so daft as to complain about you taking pictures that may include a 17 year old playing cricket but I guess that is what the daily mail has reduced us too.
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Oh, I don't know...I'm sure there must be gazillions of paedos masturbating furiously at the sight of a fully clothed full sized adult (who is legally a minor....but only just!) playing cricket...what a sexy thought!

If only google had some way of searching for pictures of such things, then everyone with a computer could have access to such delights! They could call it 'google images' or something...maybe I'll email them and suggest it as an idea!

Thank God for the Daily Mail, they do a damned fine job of protecting us all!;)
 
Wobbler said:
Oh, I don't know...I'm sure there must be gazillions of paedos masturbating furiously at the sight of a fully clothed full sized adult (who is legally a minor....but only just!) playing cricket...what a sexy thought!

If only google had some way of searching for pictures of such things, then everyone with a computer could have access to such delights! They could call it 'google images' or something...maybe I'll email them and suggest it as an idea!

Thank God for the Daily Mail, they do a damned fine job of protecting us all!;)
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:clap:
 
Hang on...what about all those DM snaps of Emma Watson (actress - Harry Potter) on red carpets when she was 17?
:thinking:
 
Wobbler said:
If only google had some way of searching for pictures of such things, then everyone with a computer could have access to such delights! They could call it 'google images' or something...maybe I'll email them and suggest it as an idea!

Thank God for the Daily Mail, they do a damned fine job of protecting us all!;)
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You sir, made me laugh. Hard!

Legally however, only the landlord and their representatives can ask you to stop taking pictures. So this would include their employees/managers (for example, stewards at pubs). If it was just a player, then they can't tell you to stop taking pictures as it's not their land, they can however get someone with authority to do it.

If it was public land, you can snap right away, if they try and stop you it could be obstruction (although that's my opinion not legal advice).
 
this is one of the most bizarre ones i've heard yet...
 
Thanks for your responses. I personally thought that it was a bit silly but I suppose that's what type of world we live in.

As part of my job I'm required to be CRB checked. If I carried a photocopy of that document in my camera bag could it help in this situation?
 
mapster1989 said:
As part of my job I'm required to be CRB checked. If I carried a photocopy of that document in my camera bag could it help in this situation?
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I doubt it - as others have pointed out, private ground is private ground and are you seriously going to wave a CRB check about to prove you can take a pic of a 17 year old in cricket whites?:shrug:

Personally, I would take as many photos as I could and state VERY CLEARLY why I wasn't showing any of the opposing team. You might also want to apologise to the young lad for not getting any photo's of him, even though you would let him have them for free (;) ) due to the actions of the other members present and see how he feels about that - after all, he's free to do pretty much anything other than vote and some far older than him couldn't even do that this year!!! ;)
 
mapster1989 said:
As part of my job I'm required to be CRB checked. If I carried a photocopy of that document in my camera bag could it help in this situation?
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No, it wouldn't really help. People will point out that a CRB is only useful on the day it's produced (which, really it is).
 
Regardless of the rights and wrongs , wouldn't it be wise to drop the club chair/president an E-mail , asking if you can take shots of the next match, say you will make images available to the team etc, mention you have a CRB clearance, and that if necessary you can contact any parents for consent if any minors are playing.

That way you will prevent any pitfalls, and any uncertainty?
 
I would have just said....
:razz:Personally I hate cricket so ... who cares
 
maybe someone on the pitch was claiming disability benefits!!
and didnt want the pictures to fall in wrong hands?
 
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I know it's late now, but dont forget we have junior member who may log-on tomorrow
 
Yardbent said:
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I know it's late now, but dont forget we have junior member who may log-on tomorrow
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Good point, thanks - I've deleted. :)
 
Les, I feel the need to break your post up and respond to each part individually:

Les McLean said:
Regardless of the rights and wrongs , wouldn't it be wise to drop the club chair/president an E-mail , asking if you can take shots of the next match, say you will make images available to the team etc
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Great idea, the chair will be one of the chief officers for the landlord, unless the club themselves own it, in which he would probably count as the landlord himself or collectively the board of trustees/directors.

Les McLean said:
mention you have a CRB clearance
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CRB checks shouldn't be granted for photographers as it is not an eligible post (full list available here). Although mentioning the fact that you have one for another role wouldn't hurt, it really doesn't apply to photographers.

Les McLean said:
if necessary you can contact any parents for consent if any minors are playing.
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Model releases are not legally binding in the United Kingdom and under the Data Protection Act, the club would not be allowed to pass on their details to seek permission therefore it would be exceptionally difficult to acquire releases from all the parents involved.
 
Coldeh said:
Les, I feel the need to break your post up and respond to each part individually:


Great idea, the chair will be one of the chief officers for the landlord, unless the club themselves own it, in which he would probably count as the landlord himself or collectively the board of trustees/directors.


CRB checks shouldn't be granted for photographers as it is not an eligible post (full list available here). Although mentioning the fact that you have one for another role wouldn't hurt, it really doesn't apply to photographers.


Model releases are not legally binding in the United Kingdom and under the Data Protection Act, the club would not be allowed to pass on their details to seek permission therefore it would be exceptionally difficult to acquire releases from all the parents involved.
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Thanks for responding to the suggestions I made, perhaps I need to clarify some of the points.

I'm aware of CRB legislation, until I retired I managed a city wide childrens service, so needed to have a comprehensive knowledge of the CRB process. As the op already had CRB clearance, I thought it be would be worth mentioning to the club, I didn't suggest he sought a CRB check as a photographer.

I didn't suggest model release, but informed consent, it's an approach we used when shooting our local adult cricket team, with the chair of the club ensuring that if any youngster (16 or under) were playing for the team, the parents consented to their youngster being included in the shoot. Luckily it's a fairly close community, and parents of any youngster playing were generally at the match anyway, so seeking consent was never an issue.

It also helped that I used to provide a set of images of the match for the club's website.

I think it's all to easy (and sometimes understandable) beating our breasts claiming political correctness gone mad, when sometimes we need to accept the reality of the situation, be pragmatic and seek workarounds to any problems.

In the ops case, and I'm sure he wouldn't, but if he charged in with shutters blazing without any groundwork, he would be shown the door pretty quickly.

Apologies if I wasn't clear in my previous post.
 
Les McLean said:
Thanks for responding to the suggestions I made, perhaps I need to clarify some of the points.

I'm aware of CRB legislation, until I retired I managed a city wide childrens service, so needed to have a comprehensive knowledge of the CRB process. As the op already had CRB clearance, I thought it be would be worth mentioning to the club, I didn't suggest he sought a CRB check as a photographer.

I didn't suggest model release, but informed consent, it's an approach we used when shooting our local adult cricket team, with the chair of the club ensuring that if any youngster (16 or under) were playing for the team, the parents consented to their youngster being included in the shoot. Luckily it's a fairly close community, and parents of any youngster playing were generally at the match anyway, so seeking consent was never an issue.

It also helped that I used to provide a set of images of the match for the club's website.

I think it's all to easy (and sometimes understandable) beating our breasts claiming political correctness gone mad, when sometimes we need to accept the reality of the situation, be pragmatic and seek workarounds to any problems.

In the ops case, and I'm sure he wouldn't, but if he charged in with shutters blazing without any groundwork, he would be shown the door pretty quickly.

Apologies if I wasn't clear in my previous post.
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Thanks for clarifying Les. I agree that saying you have a CRB for another role wouldn't hurt and might help alleviate some fears.

I always consider consent as model releases, which just supply written consent but also that the photographer will not be pursued for copyright of the image. I'm fairly certain that if you went to the stands and got verbal consent, some parents might retract it at any time or indeed say they never gave consent which is entirely possible, alas we know that their consent is not required as long as the landlord has given theirs but it still might cause some headaches.

Your suggestions are by no means bad or wrong, it's just worth clarifying them for people who may read this post in the future.
 
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