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Hi All,

I'm a long term Canon user 10+ years and have owned / used various DSLRs from 300D, 20D, 1D2 and 5D which I currently have with a variety of glass.

Overtime my focus has changed, due to a lot of travelling with work I don't want to take a lot of gear with me and hence I'm looking to reduce my gear to make it comfortable to carry.

My key and a non compromising point is that the camera needs to be 35mm / full frame. Keeping in mind that I mostly now take with me 5D/24/105L and sometimes the 50/1.4, what are your thoughts on going to the Sony A7R2?

Having used only L glass apart from the 50mm over the past few years, I'm very keen on the lens quality , build and performance, at Sony side.

Anyone who has made the transition and is happy with the camera its AF, etc etc and has been happy with the perceived gain due to less size and weight of Sony?

I've searched the forums but couldn't really find a thread with this question apart from one Sony thread which is a few years old and trawling 140 pages was not a possible task.

So I would appreciate any help / advice that anyone can give. I love my Canon and had it not been for the size and weight would not have been contemplating the move.

Kind Regards,
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I am differnt than you, i started with Canon DSLR too since say end of 2005 until now, but i bought Sony A7R last year, it is not yet so advanced or say highly surpass Canon with AF, but i like it for what i use it for, 36mp and better DR, i shoot landscape so i use tripod more, but in your case it sounds you want something as walkaround and lightweight system, not sure if Fuji has full frame cameras but i see more prefer Fuji for that walk-around with light body, sony is nice but you need to have at least one lens for Sony without adapter, FE mount, if you do that then simply keep your Canon just in cases and enjoy with Sony, i will never sacrifice my Canon for Sony yet.
 
Had the 40D 7D1 5D2 and 5D3 also the 24/105f4

Now have the Sony A7 mii if size and weight are your main criteria I doubt you would be happy, you could use your Canon glass with adapter but once you add said adapter the weight is very close.

I am enjoying my Sony though I have eye issues and it's the view finder that lets me keep going at this time

I enjoyed Canon very much tried different bags shoulder straps etc but age caught me if you have never looked check out thinktank belts and maybe the peak design capture pro for me this helped a good bit with weight

Sorry can't help on A7r 2 though I like the specs and pixels

Good luck
 
No thoughts on the 7rII, I went from the original 5D to A7 so if this is irrelevant I'm sorry for wasting bandwidth :D

My DSLR lenses were some nice Sigma primes and some ho-hum Canon zooms. I now have the excellent Sony 35mm f2.8, the outstanding 55mm f1.8 and the (IMO) respectable 28-70mm which I bought with the camera but have never used outside the house and garden to see if it works as zooms scare and confuse me, so I use primes :D Other than the two nice FE primes I use manual lenses and if you are tempted to use manual lenses CSC's are IMO the way forward.

The advantages for me are the reduction in size and weight which I see as real and significant and the advantages of EVF WYSIWYG shooting. The in view histogram is wonderful and exposure issues and chimping should be massively reduced.

Looking at the whinging and whining in the A7 owners thread I think it's fair to say that it's a Marmite system. As a slow and deliberate casual shooter and mostly a user of primes the A7 system is a Godsend for me as it's relatively compact and light and IMO more discrete than a big fat DSLR+lens, and I think that the files are gorgeous. Others seem to have a less rosy view.
 
zakazmi said:
Overtime my focus has changed, due to a lot of travelling with work I don't want to take a lot of gear with me and hence I'm looking to reduce my gear to make it comfortable to carry.
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Do you really need full frame when bulk and weight are your main reason for the switch?

I questioned this exact question before deciding on Fujifilm system, it's not full frame, but I don't really notice it. The weight saving is massive, it really makes a big noticeable difference.

5D + 24-105 F4 vs A7R2 + 24-70 F4 vs X-T1 + 18-55 F2.8-4
Camera: 810g vs 625g vs 435g
Lens: 670g vs 426g vs 308g


Is full frame that important? What can you achieve on full frame can't be achieved on crop?
 
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What can you achieve on full frame can't be achieved on crop?
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The 35mm shooting feel, focal length, DoF / look.
The ultimate quality if you want to pixel peep or print large or crop.
Higher ISO Performance.
There may be more but that might sum most of it up for me.
 
woof woof said:
The 35mm shooting feel, focal length, DoF / look.
The ultimate quality if you want to pixel peep or print large or crop.
Higher ISO Performance.
There may be more but that might sum most of it up for me.
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I agree the feel is slightly different, takes getting used to, same as switching crop to FF. DoF and look can be achieved with lens, eg 56mm f1.2 for 85mm f1.8 look, 35mm f1.4 for 50mm f2 look.

Comparing 5D mark 2 to X-E2 during my recent switch, I actually find the X-E2 to be a lot sharper. Going from 5D to any modern camera even m43 should see sharpness improvements.

Same argument for higher ISO capabilities. Newest full frame vs newest APS-C, FF wins by one stop (or A7SII case, a few stops). Older 5D vs any new camera, new camera will have massive improvements.
 
Thanks for all the information everyone .

1. 35mm / Full frame is a must. The DoF the look and feel is something I really don't want to compromise upon.

2. I plan to sell all my Camera gear (lens etc) and then move across so if I do move I won't be using Canon glass with adapter which would really make the size and weight difference negligible.

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I'm concerned about AF. I don't shoot high speed stuff but 5D is good enough for me and if A7xx can do the same or come close then it's fabulous.

4.
Higher ISO is not a major issue, I still use the original 5D and find it sufficient for my needs.

Any other advice or views guys?
 
add up the weight/size of the systems, some a7 glass isnt a improvement over others in that area, but u can use m mount lenses which are small
 
Only my opinion but AF is as fast as the 5D2 but not the 5d3

Again only what suits me 5D2 and Sony A7 Mkii I will use ISO 3200 that's my normal limit and I will print A3+ or pano 36''long

5D3 I would use 12800 ISO in truth the IBIS with lens OS on WA is worth a couple of stops though I would using maybe 16mm for that
 
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zakazmi said:
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I'm concerned about AF. I don't shoot high speed stuff but 5D is good enough for me and if A7xx can do the same or come close then it's fabulous.
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Two areas I think that CSC's really show their worth is focus accuracy and exposure. The on chip focusing should mean a very low number of missed focus shots compared to a DSLR and the in view histogram (zebras too, maybe... if you like them...) should mean very few exposure issues. These things could all add up to very few reject shots and these days I find my one shot keeper rate to be much higher than with a DSLR as there's little need to shoot multiple shots or perform heroics post capture. These days I'm disappointed if I have to delete a shot and when I do more often than not it's because I spot something wrong with the composition that I really should have spotted before taking the shot.

Actually, you don't need a FF A7 to see the focus and exposure hit rate rise. When I first got my first generation Panasonic G1 I shot comparison shots against my 5D and one thing which I quickly recognised was that despite the G1 having less dynamic range than the 5D the in view histogram often enabled me to get a first shot keeper in difficult lighting in which I'd have had to shoot, check the result, alter settings and shoot and check again to get a keeper with the 5D.

manualfocus-g's comments illustrate the marmite effect nicely. He can't get on with the A7 whereas I'd only go back to a DSLR if Mr Canon or Mr Nikon put a gun to my head as after seeing the advantages of CSC's DSLR's seem so last century :D

A7rII review at DPR...

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-7r-ii
 
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manualfocus-g said:
Whatever you do, try an a7 series body before committing. I ran an a7 alongside my 6D for a while and the a7 drove me mad, so I sold it.
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This. I tried the Sony system alongside my full frame Nikon and decided it wasn't for me.
 
Second Alan's comments... I've been back and forth between mirrorless and DSLR over the last few years but I recently tried a Canon 6D alongside my A7R and realised I can't go back to DSLR. That said, I tried A7, A7II and A7S before settling on the A7R. The only area where the A7R lacks for me is AF - it's not awful but not great either. Every camera is a compromise and the A7R is the best compromise for me. I mainly photograph people and the A7R does a fine job.
 
had a Nikon D800, great camera, but like the smaller form factor, so moved to the A7II and now the A7RII .... if you can live with the lower lens selection (which is growing, esp if the latest adapters work was advertised ) then i'd suggest mirrorless....
 
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